Should we be getting behind Brexit by boycotting German cars
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Billy_Whizzzz said:
Wait - you're asking 'should we be 'getting behind Brexit'...? Hang on, you Brexiteers have stripped thinking people of their citizenship and their rights to live, work and study in 27 other countries as well as hindering our own institutions from benefiting from the cross fertilisation of ideas and research funding and you are destroying our cultural diversity. You have sent us on a road backwards, as you bring up our drawbridges, taking flight from the world. You presume to think that 'we' have something in common because of some quirk of fate meaning we had the misfortune to be born on the same little island and you suggest that 'we' get behind your pathetic little wheeze to destroy the UK and buy British? No thanks, I'll buy what's best and that sure as hell aint British.
Do you not think you're being a little pessimistic? Billy_Whizzzz said:
Wait - you're asking 'should we be 'getting behind Brexit'...? Hang on, you Brexiteers have stripped thinking people of their citizenship and their rights to live, work and study in 27 other countries as well as hindering our own institutions from benefiting from the cross fertilisation of ideas and research funding and you are destroying our cultural diversity. You have sent us on a road backwards, as you bring up our drawbridges, taking flight from the world. You presume to think that 'we' have something in common because of some quirk of fate meaning we had the misfortune to be born on the same little island and you suggest that 'we' get behind your pathetic little wheeze to destroy the UK and buy British? No thanks, I'll buy what's best and that sure as hell aint British.
You tell em, mind you seem to get things wrong ,How many Land Rovers did you buy or are you classing them as Indian or maybe they are American ??? oh and the only people on a road backwards are the morons clinging to the EU with its self serving path to a
a burearcratic federal superstate run to suit Germany and a load 3rd rate politicians and gravy train riders in brussels ...
996TT02 said:
Yes, adjusting to the founding principles of the EU will certainly take time, because cultural differences, created by centuries of physical isolation, do exist. But it's the vision of the future, where artificial scribbles on a paper map currently defined as borders, where nothing physical necessarily exists, will eventually be something that future generations will ridicule. In no way does this mean that there is no necessity to maintain local governance to reflect these cultural and economic differences. The US seems to manage fine with its 50 states way of doing things. Leavers and right-wingers across the world on the other hand, look back at the "glorious" past, and attempt to return to it. You know, the past that is full of emotional images of "national pride", rather than wars, misery, and "principles" that result in lower quality of life for all citizens across the board.
Well said, that man!Many years ago, I was looking through an atlas with my 5 year-old son, and we came across a 'flags of the world' page. After some thought he asked, "Daddy, why do we need flags?". An innocent question, but one to which I didn't really have an answer....
Personally, Brexit isn't going to influence my purchase decision of my my next car, but I have always noticed on visits to Germany, France and Italy that the vast majority of their police cars are home produced, whereas the Police where I live all seem to tool around in 5 series BMW's and X5's.
I guess that EU procurement rules mean that we have to consider EU made products equally, but I can't imagine the French and Germans putting up with that (I imagine it's also a source of pride for their manufacturers who probably give them a good deal).
I wonder if Brexit means that the Police (and other public services) will now be nudged towards buying British made cars by the goverment?
I guess that EU procurement rules mean that we have to consider EU made products equally, but I can't imagine the French and Germans putting up with that (I imagine it's also a source of pride for their manufacturers who probably give them a good deal).
I wonder if Brexit means that the Police (and other public services) will now be nudged towards buying British made cars by the goverment?
LuS1fer said:
Have to say that German cars have never appealed to me.
I've had a few but I was never a fanboy.
It strikes me that if everybody suddenly cancelled their German car orders, Europe might suddenly start to wonder who will buy them.
OK, you might not like the other options but....
Damn foreigners, Where can I but a new Morris Minor? I've had a few but I was never a fanboy.
It strikes me that if everybody suddenly cancelled their German car orders, Europe might suddenly start to wonder who will buy them.
OK, you might not like the other options but....
280E said:
996TT02 said:
Yes, adjusting to the founding principles of the EU will certainly take time, because cultural differences, created by centuries of physical isolation, do exist. But it's the vision of the future, where artificial scribbles on a paper map currently defined as borders, where nothing physical necessarily exists, will eventually be something that future generations will ridicule. In no way does this mean that there is no necessity to maintain local governance to reflect these cultural and economic differences. The US seems to manage fine with its 50 states way of doing things. Leavers and right-wingers across the world on the other hand, look back at the "glorious" past, and attempt to return to it. You know, the past that is full of emotional images of "national pride", rather than wars, misery, and "principles" that result in lower quality of life for all citizens across the board.
Well said, that man!Many years ago, I was looking through an atlas with my 5 year-old son, and we came across a 'flags of the world' page. After some thought he asked, "Daddy, why do we need flags?". An innocent question, but one to which I didn't really have an answer....
Maybe you can change human nature but nobody has managed it yet.
tomic said:
I wonder if Brexit means that the Police (and other public services) will now be nudged towards buying British made cars by the goverment?
I'd rather they bought the right product to give them best value and functionality, without worrying over much about where it was assembled...Otherwise they'll be using Morgans for motorway patrol...
jsf said:
Last time I looked the world wasn't found inside the protectionist EU.
There exist tariffs for products that come from countries with which the EU has no, or only partial, trade agreements. But the EU negotiates such agreements where possible. The EU with the clout of a group of developed countries, and a combined economy and purchasing power worth multiple billions. The UK alone will soon have to DIY all these trade agreements. And I was under the impression that part of the Brexit argument was protectionism? What is it that Brexiteers actually want? I would not care to ask this question, as collectively, a coherent logical answer does not seem to exist.jsf said:
Last time I looked the world wasn't found inside the protectionist EU. Most of it is outside, the highest economic growth is outside,
Many countries are far less developed than the EU average so those that are reforming will very naturally have a high economic growth. Unfortunately, all very carefully studied indications are that the UK will have negative growth come Brexit.jsf said:
.. the best universities (excluding the UK as we are currently in the EU) are outside.
Bit of a contradiction there.jsf said:
If you are into youth unemployment, the EU is a world leader though.
It's actually individual, incompetent governments in certain countries that are responsible for this. Rather than making a point for your side of the argument, this very simply proves the opposite. More EU rather than less EU is the solution, less power for incompetents to mess things up.powerstroke said:
Billy_Whizzzz said:
Wait - you're asking 'should we be 'getting behind Brexit'...? Hang on, you Brexiteers have stripped thinking people of their citizenship and their rights to live, work and study in 27 other countries as well as hindering our own institutions from benefiting from the cross fertilisation of ideas and research funding and you are destroying our cultural diversity. You have sent us on a road backwards, as you bring up our drawbridges, taking flight from the world. You presume to think that 'we' have something in common because of some quirk of fate meaning we had the misfortune to be born on the same little island and you suggest that 'we' get behind your pathetic little wheeze to destroy the UK and buy British? No thanks, I'll buy what's best and that sure as hell aint British.
You tell em, mind you seem to get things wrong ,How many Land Rovers did you buy or are you classing them as Indian or maybe they are American ??? oh and the only people on a road backwards are the morons clinging to the EU with its self serving path to a
a burearcratic federal superstate run to suit Germany and a load 3rd rate politicians and gravy train riders in brussels ...
996TT02 said:
jsf said:
Last time I looked the world wasn't found inside the protectionist EU.
There exist tariffs for products that come from countries with which the EU has no, or only partial, trade agreements. But the EU negotiates such agreements where possible. The EU with the clout of a group of developed countries, and a combined economy and purchasing power worth multiple billions. The UK alone will soon have to DIY all these trade agreements. And I was under the impression that part of the Brexit argument was protectionism? What is it that Brexiteers actually want? I would not care to ask this question, as collectively, a coherent logical answer does not seem to exist.jsf said:
Last time I looked the world wasn't found inside the protectionist EU. Most of it is outside, the highest economic growth is outside,
Many countries are far less developed than the EU average so those that are reforming will very naturally have a high economic growth. Unfortunately, all very carefully studied indications are that the UK will have negative growth come Brexit.jsf said:
.. the best universities (excluding the UK as we are currently in the EU) are outside.
Bit of a contradiction there.jsf said:
If you are into youth unemployment, the EU is a world leader though.
It's actually individual, incompetent governments in certain countries that are responsible for this. Rather than making a point for your side of the argument, this very simply proves the opposite. More EU rather than less EU is the solution, less power for incompetents to mess things up.It's clear from the direction the government is steering Brexit the target is a more open regime to world trade.
No contradiction on the university figures. If you exclude UK universities from the EU listing, the EU is doing shockingly badly.
If you think EU youth unemployment is down to the individual governments, you don't understand how damaging the straight jacket of the Euro has been. Until the EU accept they have to have a proper fiscal union with wealth transfers out of the exporting countries like Germany, on a permanent basis, which will make those exporters far worse off to balance the Euro properly, it will continue to be a problem. Not a chance of that with Merkel, especially now she lost her preferred coalition partner and now has to shack up with parties that wont put up with more EU.
Billy_Whizzzz said:
Wait - you're asking 'should we be 'getting behind Brexit'...? Hang on, you Brexiteers have stripped thinking people of their citizenship and their rights to live, work and study in 27 other countries as well as hindering our own institutions from benefiting from the cross fertilisation of ideas and research funding and you are destroying our cultural diversity. You have sent us on a road backwards, as you bring up our drawbridges, taking flight from the world. You presume to think that 'we' have something in common because of some quirk of fate meaning we had the misfortune to be born on the same little island and you suggest that 'we' get behind your pathetic little wheeze to destroy the UK and buy British? No thanks, I'll buy what's best and that sure as hell aint British.
You'll get over it eventually.Billy_Whizzzz said:
Wait - you're asking 'should we be 'getting behind Brexit'...? Hang on, you Brexiteers have stripped thinking people of their citizenship and their rights to live, work and study in 27 other countries as well as hindering our own institutions from benefiting from the cross fertilisation of ideas and research funding and you are destroying our cultural diversity. You have sent us on a road backwards, as you bring up our drawbridges, taking flight from the world. You presume to think that 'we' have something in common because of some quirk of fate meaning we had the misfortune to be born on the same little island and you suggest that 'we' get behind your pathetic little wheeze to destroy the UK and buy British? No thanks, I'll buy what's best and that sure as hell aint British.
I don't agree with the OP, but that is some seriously fringe rhetoric there, sure you cannot add some extra in there about promoting slavery, wife beating and kiddy fiddling?996TT02 said:
powerstroke said:
Billy_Whizzzz said:
Wait - you're asking 'should we be 'getting behind Brexit'...? Hang on, you Brexiteers have stripped thinking people of their citizenship and their rights to live, work and study in 27 other countries as well as hindering our own institutions from benefiting from the cross fertilisation of ideas and research funding and you are destroying our cultural diversity. You have sent us on a road backwards, as you bring up our drawbridges, taking flight from the world. You presume to think that 'we' have something in common because of some quirk of fate meaning we had the misfortune to be born on the same little island and you suggest that 'we' get behind your pathetic little wheeze to destroy the UK and buy British? No thanks, I'll buy what's best and that sure as hell aint British.
You tell em, mind you seem to get things wrong ,How many Land Rovers did you buy or are you classing them as Indian or maybe they are American ??? oh and the only people on a road backwards are the morons clinging to the EU with its self serving path to a
a burearcratic federal superstate run to suit Germany and a load 3rd rate politicians and gravy train riders in brussels ...
The same shouty snowflake lot who don't know the difference between the EU and Europe
they think we are going to float off and they won't be able to get Henrieta a nanny or the cleaning done..
powerstroke said:
It looks more guardian or other rag of the smug non jobbed metropoitan elite to me ????
The same shouty snowflake lot who don't know the difference between the EU and Europe
they think we are going to float off and they won't be able to get Henrieta a nanny or the cleaning done..
Ah so your motivations for voting Leave are linked to your social inadequacies. People don't choose to be born in a more privileged background than yours. Reverse snobbery of the first order.The same shouty snowflake lot who don't know the difference between the EU and Europe
they think we are going to float off and they won't be able to get Henrieta a nanny or the cleaning done..
There seems to be real confusion amongst many people - including government ministers - about this referendum. The question very explicitly was about "should we leave the European Union". It didn't mention the European Economic Area (the single market) yet now I keep being told that to "respect" democracy we have to leave the single market.
We're a trading nation. The leave campaign talked about "the Norway option" - leaving the EU but remaining in the single market. Yet now suggestions of actually implementing this get referred go as a traitorous act.
We want free trade with the EU but to divorce ourselves from their federalist superstate? Simple. We leave the EU. We rejoin the European Free Trade Association, retaining our EEA membership. The much larger EFTA with us the largest member has significant clout as a counterbalance to the EU. And we retain the best free trade deal we can hope for.
That morons now think respecting the vote and getting the best deal after we leave demonstrates how idiotic many leave voters are. And before the abuse piles in, I voted leave. To do the Norway option promised.
We're a trading nation. The leave campaign talked about "the Norway option" - leaving the EU but remaining in the single market. Yet now suggestions of actually implementing this get referred go as a traitorous act.
We want free trade with the EU but to divorce ourselves from their federalist superstate? Simple. We leave the EU. We rejoin the European Free Trade Association, retaining our EEA membership. The much larger EFTA with us the largest member has significant clout as a counterbalance to the EU. And we retain the best free trade deal we can hope for.
That morons now think respecting the vote and getting the best deal after we leave demonstrates how idiotic many leave voters are. And before the abuse piles in, I voted leave. To do the Norway option promised.
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