Should we be getting behind Brexit by boycotting German cars
Discussion
otolith said:
Yeah, it's basically an act of charity to go to all that trouble to sell 20% of their cars to us at all. But that's German industry for you, so sentimental.
Don't over-egg it... 14% of production - 18% of exports.
https://fullfact.org/europe/german-cars-uk/
TooMany2cvs said:
otolith said:
Yeah, it's basically an act of charity to go to all that trouble to sell 20% of their cars to us at all. But that's German industry for you, so sentimental.
Don't over-egg it... 14% of production - 18% of exports.
https://fullfact.org/europe/german-cars-uk/
They won’t lose them all, depends on the levels of import duty in a ‘no deal’ situation.
But the point is that it will hurt everyone. UK manufacturers will also lose lots of export sales. It has every chance of being a lose - lose result.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Yeah, like BMW/Merc etc don't sell every car they build, with ease. If we don't take them, someone else will. We'll probably be doing them a favour, as they will be able to cut down on their RHD production.
You've bought in to the whole "they need us more than we need them" lie. Believe me, they really don't.
It makes you wonder why they bother with all the complications and costs arising from RHD cars or haven't built larger factories previously.
I think you'll find that they don't need us and we don't need them.
Hungrymc said:
TooMany2cvs said:
otolith said:
Yeah, it's basically an act of charity to go to all that trouble to sell 20% of their cars to us at all. But that's German industry for you, so sentimental.
Don't over-egg it... 14% of production - 18% of exports.
https://fullfact.org/europe/german-cars-uk/
They won’t lose them all, depends on the levels of import duty in a ‘no deal’ situation.
But the point is that it will hurt everyone. UK manufacturers will also lose lots of export sales. It has every chance of being a lose - lose result.
57.5% of UK car production is exported to other EU countries...
https://www.smmt.co.uk/2016/01/best-year-in-a-deca...
They need us more than we need them, my arse.
It'll be interesting to see what happens to German car sales when, assuming the Tories continue to be so utterly incompetent, we revert to standard WTO duties and their prices go up 10% overnight. I rather suspect it'll make very little difference to their sales.
It'll be equally interesting to see what happens to all the car factories in the UK.
It'll be equally interesting to see what happens to all the car factories in the UK.
CraigyMc said:
Yipper said:
The Mini factory is just a token-gesture final-assembly plant for political purposes to keep the masses and politicians happy. Somewhere around 50-70% of the Mini is made abroad, mostly in Germany and France. Oxford just bolts a few bits together.
You talk total b
ks.
LuS1fer said:
The GMan said:
OK, so where does Mini sit as they are currently produced in Oxford? Or the supply chain in the UK that supports BMW?
No issue with that but the question is whether that will remain the case or whether they will leave the UK. Nobody really knows because it's all bluff and bluster, on both sides.What we need to look at is supporting whoever creates UK jobs, god knows we'll need them.
No, because they make good cars. And surely that's the point of 'free trade' - presumably German manufacturers have benefited from being inside the protectionist EU and with the Euro skewed in their favour - but maybe we'll see more Japanese cars if/when the 10% import is removed after Brexit.
TooMany2cvs said:
otolith said:
Yeah, it's basically an act of charity to go to all that trouble to sell 20% of their cars to us at all. But that's German industry for you, so sentimental.
Don't over-egg it... 14% of production - 18% of exports.
https://fullfact.org/europe/german-cars-uk/
Monkeylegend said:
Where will we be able to buy a prestige/premium car from if not from Germany?
Sweden, or china, who ever makes Volvo now, or the Indians, maybe the Americans? Or maybe the French will start bringing in the beautiful Renault talisman if sales could be better, or something from the DS rangeOverall quite a few options from not the Germans. But nothing British made and designed. Not even a Vauxhall vivaro
Edited by Nickbrapp on Tuesday 17th October 18:18
On the subject of MINI manufacturing I thought this was interesting.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/03/b...
(Yeah, but Guardian so commies, Corbyn, trade unions etc.)
A cast of the raw crankshaft – the part of the car that translates the movement of the pistons into the rotational motion required to move the vehicle – is made by a supplier based in France.
From there it is shipped to BMW’s Hams Hall plant in Warwickshire, where it is drilled and milled into shape. When that job is complete, each crankshaft is then sent back across the Channel to Munich, where it inserted into the engine.
From Munich, it is back to the Mini plant in Oxford, where the engine is then “married” with the car.
If the car is to be sold on the continent then the crankshaft, inside the finished motor, will cross the Channel for a fourth time.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/03/b...
(Yeah, but Guardian so commies, Corbyn, trade unions etc.)
A cast of the raw crankshaft – the part of the car that translates the movement of the pistons into the rotational motion required to move the vehicle – is made by a supplier based in France.
From there it is shipped to BMW’s Hams Hall plant in Warwickshire, where it is drilled and milled into shape. When that job is complete, each crankshaft is then sent back across the Channel to Munich, where it inserted into the engine.
From Munich, it is back to the Mini plant in Oxford, where the engine is then “married” with the car.
If the car is to be sold on the continent then the crankshaft, inside the finished motor, will cross the Channel for a fourth time.
Nickbrapp said:
Sweden, or china, who ever makes Volvo now, or the Indians, maybe the Americans? Or maybe the French will start bringing in the beautiful Renault talisman if sales could be better, or something from the DS range
Overall quite a few options from not the Germans. But nothing British made and designed. Not even a Vauxhall vivaro
But most of those are within the EU so will be off the menu if we are going to try to use cars as a Brexit weapon.Overall quite a few options from not the Germans. But nothing British made and designed. Not even a Vauxhall vivaro
Edited by Nickbrapp on Tuesday 17th October 18:18
Nothing wrong with JLR though if you want a nice car.
I do smile if I think how the more rabid elements of our press would be report an alternative scenario. This is where the UK was firmly pro EU but Germany had decided to leave , citing control of borders, sovereignty and the usual stuff which gets some of our rabid Brexiters so terribly moist .
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