RE: Lotus Evora GT430: Driven

RE: Lotus Evora GT430: Driven

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saaby93

32,038 posts

177 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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They're also testing the market. By bringing out different models at different price points theyre discovering what the market will stand
What price were the batches of GTEs?

LotusOmega375D

7,580 posts

152 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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saaby93 said:
What price were the batches of GTEs?
I bought mine direct from the factory (Lotus Motorsport) in 2015 for £79,200, Other customers paid a bit more through dealers and the full carbon one was much more. But the GTE was a different prospect to the GT430. It was only “marketed” through word of mouth. New CEO Gales just wanted the 20 units gone and had no intention of making any more. Don’t forget that predecessor Bahar originally expected the GTE to retail at about £120,000 with the trick Swindon engine and automated manual gearbox, so today’s price of the GT430 doesn’t look excessive.

Tin Hat

1,370 posts

208 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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Porsche911R said:
I would buy one at £80k

I just like the joke of them all sold like the Exige CUP where there is a choice and still open slots.

Like wise this is not sold out even if there are only making 60 cars.

Buyers are voting to keep away at these prices.

That does not make it a bad car , it just makes it too expensive.

TVR can launch a new car from scratch with all bespoke parts and a proper engine at £90k Lotus buy all the parts in, have an old engine and want this daft price !

I still have hopes for the 2020 Elise if it's priced right and not under powered but as it stands I cannot buy into a new Lotus at todays prices.
A refreshing point of view yet again.

Zzzzzzzzzzz

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

233 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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Same old st from the same old people.

culpz

4,881 posts

111 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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Europa1 said:
culpz said:
I'm not really a massive Lotus fan, if i'm honest, but this looks amazing!
I'd urge you to drive one.
I'm nowhere near in the position to buy one, i'm afraid. Otherwise, i probably would.

lestiq

705 posts

168 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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SidewaysSi said:
Same old st from the same old people.
Easy to have that attitude when you can afford whatever you want.. frown Why do you think the "same old st" keeps coming up?

Thats what we're talking about, lets face it. Lotus is a working man's hero. Are you saying that because I can't afford 100k cars, as a petrolhead we suddenly don't have anything in common? my business is not needed anymore? why don't we just make Lotus another toy for the wealthy, they clearly need more and then when they're bored of it, we can watch Lotus fail again. I want to see Lotus in 50 years time!

Edited by lestiq on Friday 20th October 11:55

saaby93

32,038 posts

177 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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lestiq said:
SidewaysSi said:
Same old st from the same old people.
Easy to have that attitude when you can afford whatever you want.. frown Why do you think the "same old st" keeps coming up?

Thats what we're talking about, lets face it. Lotus is a working man's hero. Are you saying that because I can't afford 100k cars, as a petrolhead we suddenly don't have anything in common? my business is not needed anymore? why don't we just make Lotus another toy for the wealthy, they clearly need more and then when they're bored of it, we can watch Lotus fail again. I want to see Lotus in 50 years time!
has someone got confused confused

lestiq

705 posts

168 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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not at all confused. Are you? : ) Just prompting more discussion!

Edited by lestiq on Friday 20th October 12:50

CABC

5,533 posts

100 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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lestiq said:
Easy to have that attitude when you can afford whatever you want.. frown Why do you think the "same old st" keeps coming up?

Thats what we're talking about, lets face it. Lotus is a working man's hero. Are you saying that because I can't afford 100k cars, as a petrolhead we suddenly don't have anything in common? my business is not needed anymore? why don't we just make Lotus another toy for the wealthy, they clearly need more and then when they're bored of it, we can watch Lotus fail again. I want to see Lotus in 50 years time!

Edited by lestiq on Friday 20th October 11:55
Lotus need to sell cars at 100k, they don't have volume to survive at 30k.
Further, their engineering skills justify that price level too.

Why not bang on VAG's door and say "hey, here's my cash, give me a simple sports car for 30k". Alternatively go to Mazda.
Big companies can make niche cars pay at 30k.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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old news this thread now, Lotus have lauched yet another car today any way lol

the thing with Porsche is they cycle every 4 years so you get to be in the newest car for upto 4 years

Lotus bring a new car out every month ! rendering the new car which you just bought out of date.

All though the Elise cup 260 does look good but at £60k plus options the Elise has also got VERY expensive.

CABC

5,533 posts

100 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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Porsche911R said:
old news this thread now, Lotus have lauched yet another car today any way lol

the thing with Porsche is they cycle every 4 years so you get to be in the newest car for upto 4 years

Lotus bring a new car out every month ! rendering the new car which you just bought out of date.

All though the Elise cup 260 does look good but at £60k plus options the Elise has also got VERY expensive.
it is old news David, but many here are encouraging Lotus to survive. They're in turnaround phase. Easy to take pot shots.
You might be too young to remember that not so long ago Porsche was just about bankrupt and that their plan was to cut the 911.
We all know that Porsche are now dominant, but if you happily accept that it's game over then in future that'll be the only sports car you can choose. I don't want to live in socialist Russia or China.

saaby93

32,038 posts

177 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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Porsche911R said:
Lotus bring a new car out every month !
Not really - its a version of a model
Isnt it also to do with type approval and limited numbers of variants?
If you can use it for marketing, all well and good

twinturban

241 posts

121 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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5 pages of business advice for Lotus and references to Porsche.

Anyone interested in discussing about the GT430?


Vee12V

1,329 posts

159 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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Europa1 said:
culpz said:
I'm not really a massive Lotus fan, if i'm honest, but this looks amazing!
I'd urge you to drive one.
Exactly!

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

233 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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lestiq said:
SidewaysSi said:
Same old st from the same old people.
Easy to have that attitude when you can afford whatever you want.. frown Why do you think the "same old st" keeps coming up?

Thats what we're talking about, lets face it. Lotus is a working man's hero. Are you saying that because I can't afford 100k cars, as a petrolhead we suddenly don't have anything in common? my business is not needed anymore? why don't we just make Lotus another toy for the wealthy, they clearly need more and then when they're bored of it, we can watch Lotus fail again. I want to see Lotus in 50 years time!

Edited by lestiq on Friday 20th October 11:55
Sorry, what are you on about? And Lotus a working man's hero? Errr...really not sure about that. Think that would be a FFRS.

Every Lotus thread seems to boil down to the same old debates. Price, Porsche and business strategy. By people who probably know very little.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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SidewaysSi said:
people who probably know very little....
Like those of us who haven't noticed the expensive new Lotus factory was supposed to be building 10,000 cars a year but only makes 2,000 cars a year, so is now owned by some far eastern fellows who've never built a sportscar in their lives.

What's truly astounding is that you can buy two sportscars, a new Corvette Stingray AND a new Porsche 718 for the same money Lotus is asking for one of these Evoras.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

233 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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rockin said:
SidewaysSi said:
people who probably know very little....
Like those of us who haven't noticed the expensive new Lotus factory was supposed to be building 10,000 cars a year but only makes 2,000 cars a year, so is now owned by some far eastern fellows who've never built a sportscar in their lives.

What's truly astounding is that you can buy two sportscars, a new Corvette Stingray AND a new Porsche 718 for the same money Lotus is asking for one of these Evoras.
Not astounding at all. Corvette is not bad in latest format but an Evora (or any Lotus) is considerably better than both, so its hardly comparable.

Those "far Eastern fellows" have a good track record so I wouldn't bet against them.

F1GTRUeno

6,335 posts

217 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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CABC said:
it is old news David, but many here are encouraging Lotus to survive. They're in turnaround phase. Easy to take pot shots.
You might be too young to remember that not so long ago Porsche was just about bankrupt and that their plan was to cut the 911.
We all know that Porsche are now dominant, but if you happily accept that it's game over then in future that'll be the only sports car you can choose. I don't want to live in socialist Russia or China.
If the future is everyone driving a Porsche then I'll gladly sign up and take a Porsche, ta.

twinturban

241 posts

121 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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Really? How bleak!

Presumably we should have the same colour Porsche and listen to the same song on the stereo. You know, the good one as everything else is rubbish.

I might go and watch Bladerunner 2049 again in an attempt to feel a bit more optimistic about the future.

Can't you just drive a Porsche and spend your time on Porsche forums instead?

Edited by twinturban on Friday 20th October 22:57

Tin Hat

1,370 posts

208 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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SidewaysSi said:
Same old st from the same old people.
Indeed, and another load of ridiculous blurb at 13.21. It is all too predictable.