RE: Porsche 911 Carrera T revealed
Discussion
CABC said:
E65Ross said:
You say "want to see", does that mean, if they made it, you wouldn't buy it? Or would you?
That'd be catering for a very, very small market indeed and I don't think they'd make much from it. I'm not sure anyone really makes a really lightweight 2+2 do they? Must be a reason they aren't too popular....
MX5s sell pretty well.That'd be catering for a very, very small market indeed and I don't think they'd make much from it. I'm not sure anyone really makes a really lightweight 2+2 do they? Must be a reason they aren't too popular....
There's an increasing number of people who can obtain (if not buy) serious toys & status things. A Porsche MX5 would hold quite wide appeal while still leaving the more serious models untainted.
So, the business case is to hook the buyer into a brand and let them aspire to go up the ladder.
The Surveyor said:
you mean a smaller, sweeter handling 4 cylinder option, something cheaper than the 911 range, something like a Boxster then?
Boxster is huge! shockingly wide when you see it in a parkng lot.and expensive.
if they made a smaller Boxster (maybe on a vag production line) it would sell quite i think.
CABC said:
The Surveyor said:
you mean a smaller, sweeter handling 4 cylinder option, something cheaper than the 911 range, something like a Boxster then?
Boxster is huge! shockingly wide when you see it in a parkng lot.and expensive.
if they made a smaller Boxster (maybe on a vag production line) it would sell quite i think.
CABC said:
The Surveyor said:
you mean a smaller, sweeter handling 4 cylinder option, something cheaper than the 911 range, something like a Boxster then?
Boxster is huge! shockingly wide when you see it in a parkng lot.and expensive.
if they made a smaller Boxster (maybe on a vag production line) it would sell quite i think.
SS7
The Surveyor said:
VAG already sells quite a lot of TT roadsters which sits nicely in the segment below the Boxster, and I just can't see Porsche water-down their brand by chasing the MX5 market.
true.i was thinking of a rwd driver's car. give it some proper dna and get buyers on the Porsche ownership ladder. Other brands start with a 1-series and end up with ranging-topping 8-series at well over 100k. Make it dinky enough so that everyone knows that a bigger 911 is the real deal, but with enough technical and driving dna to showcase why it drives better than a hot hatch.
shoestring7 said:
A Boxster is as cheap as chips by any historical measure. Perhaps you don't remember a (4 cylinder turbo - the horror) Porsche 944t from 1989 at £40k.
SS7
again, true.SS7
I know Porsche have great engineers and just wonder what they could do at 1100kg or less, and smaller. Pure fantasy!
Love the idea but as with the GT3 Touring deleting the rear seats eliminates one of the true benefits of the 911 - kids can sit comfortably in the back making the car truly usable all the time. Might not travel miles but when you can't even use it for weekend trips the car ends up sitting in the garage so might as well get a really track focused toy. Can they be optioned back in on the GT3's and "T"?
Uhu said:
Hardly "more driver oriented".
It is just a marketing gag, driving people into ordering more "packaged" Carreras.
991 S loaded and a few bhp more = GTS
991 loaded , same bhp = T.
Those 20kg are in the end more like 5 and a lot of people will order the Navigation/Multimedia to fill that hole in the dash.
My ideal "T"? A more freely revving engine, something with a redline at 8-8500rpm, ~400bhp, single mass flywheel, 6 speed gearbox from R/GT3, 1-200kg less than a plain Carrera, exclusive wheels and 1-2 special colours (green, etc).
This man talks sense, needs buckets, fire extinguisher, manual seats, manual, windows, basic interior carpet and no rear seats. It is just a marketing gag, driving people into ordering more "packaged" Carreras.
991 S loaded and a few bhp more = GTS
991 loaded , same bhp = T.
Those 20kg are in the end more like 5 and a lot of people will order the Navigation/Multimedia to fill that hole in the dash.
My ideal "T"? A more freely revving engine, something with a redline at 8-8500rpm, ~400bhp, single mass flywheel, 6 speed gearbox from R/GT3, 1-200kg less than a plain Carrera, exclusive wheels and 1-2 special colours (green, etc).
GT4RS said:
Uhu said:
Hardly "more driver oriented".
It is just a marketing gag, driving people into ordering more "packaged" Carreras.
991 S loaded and a few bhp more = GTS
991 loaded , same bhp = T.
Those 20kg are in the end more like 5 and a lot of people will order the Navigation/Multimedia to fill that hole in the dash.
My ideal "T"? A more freely revving engine, something with a redline at 8-8500rpm, ~400bhp, single mass flywheel, 6 speed gearbox from R/GT3, 1-200kg less than a plain Carrera, exclusive wheels and 1-2 special colours (green, etc).
This man talks sense, needs buckets, fire extinguisher, manual seats, manual, windows, basic interior carpet and no rear seats. It is just a marketing gag, driving people into ordering more "packaged" Carreras.
991 S loaded and a few bhp more = GTS
991 loaded , same bhp = T.
Those 20kg are in the end more like 5 and a lot of people will order the Navigation/Multimedia to fill that hole in the dash.
My ideal "T"? A more freely revving engine, something with a redline at 8-8500rpm, ~400bhp, single mass flywheel, 6 speed gearbox from R/GT3, 1-200kg less than a plain Carrera, exclusive wheels and 1-2 special colours (green, etc).
ags11 said:
What's the opinions on the likely residuals on one of these? Is it gonna drop to 60k in a few years? Is the 992 due about 2019?
Impossible question I know, it's hard to judge the demand for it. It's certainly not a bargain compared to a GT4 for example.
I 'd save your money.Impossible question I know, it's hard to judge the demand for it. It's certainly not a bargain compared to a GT4 for example.
Porsche will always be able to charge more relatively for a humdrum 911 than an outstanding Cayman, even the GT4.
av185 said:
I 'd save your money.
Porsche will always be able to charge more relatively for a humdrum 911 than an outstanding Cayman, even the GT4.
So are we saying that dealers suggesting yday they had taken 6/7 deposits is BS? Porsche will always be able to charge more relatively for a humdrum 911 than an outstanding Cayman, even the GT4.
I do tend to agree that GT4 is better proposition for residuals
FocusRS3 said:
av185 said:
I 'd save your money.
Porsche will always be able to charge more relatively for a humdrum 911 than an outstanding Cayman, even the GT4.
So are we saying that dealers suggesting yday they had taken 6/7 deposits is BS? Porsche will always be able to charge more relatively for a humdrum 911 than an outstanding Cayman, even the GT4.
I do tend to agree that GT4 is better proposition for residuals
Residuals will be purely dictated by manufacturing numbers (no accurate info) as opposed to any outstanding talent.
Really depends if you have to have a new 911 as opposed to a second hand Cayman GT4.
It's actually a no cost option to put the seats back in, the same with the pcm.
I can't quite work out if that's easier to understand or not!
For the cost of the T you could have a lightly spec'd S, which is superior??
If you go used it's an even bigger can of worms.
Inmho it's 10k too expensive, although you could level that argument at alot of the range, not least the 718.
The GT4 with a sensible spec at list of mid 70s looks better and better by the day...
However if rear seats are an issue and one wants a new manual car perhaps the T doesn't look too bad.
I can't quite work out if that's easier to understand or not!
For the cost of the T you could have a lightly spec'd S, which is superior??
If you go used it's an even bigger can of worms.
Inmho it's 10k too expensive, although you could level that argument at alot of the range, not least the 718.
The GT4 with a sensible spec at list of mid 70s looks better and better by the day...
However if rear seats are an issue and one wants a new manual car perhaps the T doesn't look too bad.
kbf1981 said:
Personally I'd not want PDK but each to their own FocusRS3 said:
kbf1981 said:
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