ULEZ charge in 2021

[NomduJour]

kev1974 said:

Something stinks. (and not just black taxi and bus exhausts)

Who could have guessed? It was a populist sham when it was first contemplated.

[C70R]

j_4m said:

C70R said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you don't even live in London.

Would I be right?

Couldn't be more wrong. I live in zone 2.

Whoops. I didn't mean to reply to you - sorry.

Your profile says London, so I'd be stupid to question that.

It was intended for the "321" troll.

[C70R]

321boost said:

C70R said:

I've cycle commuted in London for a long time. I once did it using one of those facemask/filter things.

The colour when I removed it (after 7 miles) was an eye-opener - it was grey from particulate crap.

A reduced chance of me (or a young child, or an ailing elderly person) being exposed to that daily does "give me thrills".

Hope that's OK.

You forgot to mention kittens.

Shame.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you don't even live in London.

Would I be correct?

[swamp]

Laurel Green said:

ULEZ generates £220,000 per day in first month.

TFL were probably hoping for more than that. The compliance rate of 74% is higher than their estimate, and since TFL have a funding crisis, one fears they want to operate a 'charging' reigime rather than a 'compliance' one.

[2gins]

swamp said:

Laurel Green said:

ULEZ generates £220,000 per day in first month.

TFL were probably hoping for more than that. The compliance rate of 74% is higher than their estimate, and since TFL have a funding crisis, one fears they want to operate a 'charging' reigime rather than a 'compliance' one.

Oi. It's not about the money, it's about sorting out toxic air, don't you know there's a public health emergency?

[321boost]

C70R said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you don't even live in London.

Would I be correct?

I live nowhere and everywhere.

Nice try to hide your foolish response back firing.

[Mr Tidy]

321boost said:

I live nowhere and everywhere.

Nice try to hide your foolish response back firing.

I live somewhere, but have to go to KT4 1 or 2 times a week for elderly parent duties!

It's not in the ULEZ yet, but as both my cars are Euro 6 petrols that isn't going to be an issue anytime soon - just glad I sold my Euro 4 diesel though!

[anonymous-user]

C70R said:

cb1965 said:

My post was intended as a bit of humour re. the earlier exchanges on the transport infrastructure, try not to get so bent out of shape because someone had a joke at your city's expense! It makes you sound a bit Queen Gertrude!

Was it? Really?

Or was it the latest in a long series of negative tweets about London?

As I wrote it I think I have a better idea how it was intended than you. Of course as a narcissist and all round typical' up themselves' Londoner that thinks you're better than everyone else you can't possibly conceive being wrong so you have to 'think' (only just of course) differently!

C70R said:

And then you decided to claim that the person was being "sensitive" because they disagreed with you?

No you decided that as you can't help tripping over your own sense of self importance, I just told them it was a joke.

C70R said:

Quite sad, really.

Yes, you are. Every thread on here you get involved in you end up in an argument with one or more posters usually caused by your 'I'm always right, you're an idiot' posting style, but of course that's not you... it's them! Sprinkle an obsession with London on top of that and what you get is a self entitled blinkered and not as bright as he thinks he is poster who antagonises many others and can't work out why. Instead of dreaming up some pseudo intellectual reply to this why not have a good long hard look at your previous posts in here and other threads that have caused confrontations and see if you can work out how to try and moderate your attitude in the future!

[Pan Pan Pan]

C70R said:

321boost said:

C70R said:

I've complained about all of those, and I'm thrilled about the ULEZ.

I can tell you have.

And this is the kind of thing that gives you the thrills?

I've cycle commuted in London for a long time. I once did it using one of those facemask/filter things.

The colour when I removed it (after 7 miles) was an eye-opener - it was grey from particulate crap.

A reduced chance of me (or a young child, or an ailing elderly person) being exposed to that daily does "give me thrills".

Hope that's OK.

London has always been filthy, At first it was up to its neck in horse sh*t and flies, then it was engulfed in pea soup fogs from steam engines, and thousands upon thousands of coal fires in the grates of the countless thousands of houses, for a while it had to deal with fumes from petrol vehicles, and just lately from diesel engines in vehicles other than buses, and delivery trucks. Quite a few years ago, I was flying North of London on a gin clear day, and there was London on the port side sitting in all its glory in a bubble of filth of its own making, and all this long, long before the first production diesel engine cars were a twinkle in a car producers eye,
I was born in, grew up, and started work in London, and every day came home from the office with crap up my nose, and dirty collars and cuffs. This only stopped when my parents moved our family out of London, and I got jobs in the local area. I have also lived with, used, worked on, and breathed in, internal combustion engines my entire life, and have not had the slightest respiratory problems whatsoever. If someone is going to suffer such problems my first advice would be get the hell out of London. If some want to live in such an environment, they can hardly then be surprised if `some' are affected by it. if heaven know how many millions want to cram themselves into such places they can hardly be surprised if it then exhibits some downsides. All they have to do is individually weigh up whether or not for them, the upsides, beat the downsides.
I try to avoid London like the plague, For me that has worked well so far.

[CABC]

Pan Pan Pan said:

London has always been filthy, At first it was up to its neck in horse sh*t and flies, then it was engulfed in pea soup fogs from steam engines, and thousands upon thousands of coal fires in the grates of the countless thousands of houses, for a while it had to deal with fumes from petrol vehicles, and just lately from diesel engines in vehicles other than buses, and delivery trucks. Quite a few years ago, I was flying North of London on a gin clear day, and there was London on the port side sitting in all its glory in a bubble of filth of its own making, and all this long, long before the first production diesel engine cars were a twinkle in a car producers eye,
I was born in, grew up, and started work in London, and every day came home from the office with crap up my nose, and dirty collars and cuffs. This only stopped when my parents moved our family out of London, and I got jobs in the local area. I have also lived with, used, worked on, and breathed in, internal combustion engines my entire life, and have not had the slightest respiratory problems whatsoever. If someone is going to suffer such problems my first advice would be get the hell out of London. If some want to live in such an environment, they can hardly then be surprised if `some' are affected by it. if heaven know how many millions want to cram themselves into such places they can hardly be surprised if it then exhibits some downsides. All they have to do is individually weigh up whether or not for them, the upsides, beat the downsides.
I try to avoid London like the plague, For me that has worked well so far.

all fair points.
however, the problem needs to be seen as a shared problem in that our little island is set to have a popn of 85m in a few years.
that growth, for all our benefits, probably needs to be urban??

Also, as i understand recent research, the biggest issues are faced by those living/walking next to busy roads. In this case those close to all congested roads will suffer. It could well be the case that kids walking to a city school in Nottingham endure more harm than someone sitting in Hyde Park.

[Pan Pan Pan]

CABC said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

London has always been filthy, At first it was up to its neck in horse sh*t and flies, then it was engulfed in pea soup fogs from steam engines, and thousands upon thousands of coal fires in the grates of the countless thousands of houses, for a while it had to deal with fumes from petrol vehicles, and just lately from diesel engines in vehicles other than buses, and delivery trucks. Quite a few years ago, I was flying North of London on a gin clear day, and there was London on the port side sitting in all its glory in a bubble of filth of its own making, and all this long, long before the first production diesel engine cars were a twinkle in a car producers eye,
I was born in, grew up, and started work in London, and every day came home from the office with crap up my nose, and dirty collars and cuffs. This only stopped when my parents moved our family out of London, and I got jobs in the local area. I have also lived with, used, worked on, and breathed in, internal combustion engines my entire life, and have not had the slightest respiratory problems whatsoever. If someone is going to suffer such problems my first advice would be get the hell out of London. If some want to live in such an environment, they can hardly then be surprised if `some' are affected by it. if heaven know how many millions want to cram themselves into such places they can hardly be surprised if it then exhibits some downsides. All they have to do is individually weigh up whether or not for them, the upsides, beat the downsides.
I try to avoid London like the plague, For me that has worked well so far.

all fair points.
however, the problem needs to be seen as a shared problem in that our little island is set to have a popn of 85m in a few years.
that growth, for all our benefits, probably needs to be urban??

Also, as i understand recent research, the biggest issues are faced by those living/walking next to busy roads. In this case those close to all congested roads will suffer. It could well be the case that kids walking to a city school in Nottingham endure more harm than someone sitting in Hyde Park.

Congested roads tend to occur in congested places, (e.g cities and towns) 1 live in a town, within just 2 metres of a busy road, and have no problems whatsoever with fumes/respiratory issues etc. But if we will insist on living on a tiny island, and cramming it with millions more people, then there will be a price to pay for doing that, including erosion of green belt, having places that once were uncongested now becoming congested, the UK being concreted over, etc. Soon ALL roads will become busy congested roads, We cannot expect the population to grow as it is now doing, and not having to pay a price for doing that. Do we carry on cramming more and more people into the UK, until it really does need to be concreted over to accommodate them all?

[C70R]

321boost said:

C70R said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you don't even live in London.

Would I be correct?

I live nowhere and everywhere.

Nice try to hide your foolish response back firing.

So you're saying that you don't live in London.

Thanks for confirming that your opinion is irrelevant, as I suspected.

[C70R]

cb1965 said:

C70R said:

cb1965 said:

My post was intended as a bit of humour re. the earlier exchanges on the transport infrastructure, try not to get so bent out of shape because someone had a joke at your city's expense! It makes you sound a bit Queen Gertrude!

Was it? Really?

Or was it the latest in a long series of negative tweets about London?

As I wrote it I think I have a better idea how it was intended than you. Of course as a narcissist and all round typical' up themselves' Londoner that thinks you're better than everyone else you can't possibly conceive being wrong so you have to 'think' (only just of course) differently!

C70R said:

And then you decided to claim that the person was being "sensitive" because they disagreed with you?

No you decided that as you can't help tripping over your own sense of self importance, I just told them it was a joke.

C70R said:

Quite sad, really.

Yes, you are. Every thread on here you get involved in you end up in an argument with one or more posters usually caused by your 'I'm always right, you're an idiot' posting style, but of course that's not you... it's them! Sprinkle an obsession with London on top of that and what you get is a self entitled blinkered and not as bright as he thinks he is poster who antagonises many others and can't work out why. Instead of dreaming up some pseudo intellectual reply to this why not have a good long hard look at your previous posts in here and other threads that have caused confrontations and see if you can work out how to try and moderate your attitude in the future!

You're absolutely priceless.

I can just picture Victor Meldrew angrily bashing his keyboard in rural Wiltshire at the mere mention of 'that there London'.

I just can't believe how worked up you get about it.

[Killboy]

cb1965 said:

Yes, you are. Every thread on here you get involved in you end up in an argument with one or more posters usually caused by your 'I'm always right, you're an idiot' posting style, but of course that's not you... it's them! Sprinkle an obsession with London on top of that and what you get is a self entitled blinkered and not as bright as he thinks he is poster who antagonises many others and can't work out why.

Are you talking about yourself here?

Maybe your humour is about as smart and sophisticated as you are.

[C70R]

Killboy said:

cb1965 said:

Yes, you are. Every thread on here you get involved in you end up in an argument with one or more posters usually caused by your 'I'm always right, you're an idiot' posting style, but of course that's not you... it's them! Sprinkle an obsession with London on top of that and what you get is a self entitled blinkered and not as bright as he thinks he is poster who antagonises many others and can't work out why.

Are you talking about yourself here?

Maybe your humour is about as smart and sophisticated as you are.

The irony is brilliant.

30secs looking through his posting history is quite illuminating.

I can't imagine being so unhappy.

[Rockettvr]

Killboy said:

So does anyone know how long until it breaks even?

The real kicker will come once the zone is extended to the North and south circular
Currently the zone covers approx 8 square miles and a population measured in probably the tens of thousands (couldn’t find an exact figure)
Once extended it’ll cover 132 square miles and around 3.2 million people
I would suggest that Most people driving around the current zone are there for work reasons but in the extended zone it’ll be because they actually live there
The current zone is I think it’s fair to say is rather affluent and well served by public transport
If your destination is one side of the zone and you’re on the other it’s fairly easy to bypass it, the new zone not so much
The extended zone will take in some rather less salubrious areas where the residents do not have the financial means to upgrade to a newer ulez compliant car
I would expect TFLs income to be boosted hugely once the new zone comes into force
Just a thought - going over to congestion charging rather than air quality- how long before TFL decide to extend the congestion charging zone further out to match the new Ulez zone ??
Or maybe a range of zones like the tube has -
Come inside the M25 that’s £5
Come inside the North/South circular that’s now £10
Come into the current congestion zone £15

[2gins]

Road pricing is in the mayor's transport strategy 2018. The model is pay per mile with sliding scales for emissions and time of day.

[anonymous-user]

C70R said:

I just can't believe how worked up you get about it.

Now that is irony coming from the poster with more posts than anyone in this thread by quite some considerable margin.

PS They're having a pop at your beloved city and the ULEZ in the Speed,Plod & Law section of the forum too.... suggest you get yourself over their to defend all you hold dear

[321boost]

C70R said:

So you're saying that you don't live in London.

Thanks for confirming that your opinion is irrelevant, as I suspected.

Where did I say that? Or are you seeing things now?

[C70R]

321boost said:

C70R said:

So you're saying that you don't live in London.

Thanks for confirming that your opinion is irrelevant, as I suspected.

Where did I say that? Or are you seeing things now?

So you do live in London, and you regularly drive into the ULEZ?

Or are you just trolling the thread?