ULEZ charge in 2021
Discussion
captainaverage said:
People think it's just London right now. Soon the whole of UK will follow. Ridiculous and pathetic.
The vehicles subject to the charge are at least 11 years old now, which is pretty much end of or near end of life for most cars. For personal transport, there are plenty of options to get in and out of London and for businesses they would need to decide if it is cheaper to pay the charge or upgrade. Occassional visitors will probably be better off paying the charge. Let's be honest, the bulk of vehicles are compliant.
Willy Nilly said:
The vehicles subject to the charge are at least 11 years old now, which is pretty much end of or near end of life for most cars. For personal transport, there are plenty of options to get in and out of London and for businesses they would need to decide if it is cheaper to pay the charge or upgrade. Occassional visitors will probably be better off paying the charge.
Let's be honest, the bulk of vehicles are compliant.
Then find me a new car without airbags, fat steering wheels, no traction control at all, no funky electronics and less bulky than most new monster trucks...Let's be honest, the bulk of vehicles are compliant.
Oh and twin turbos, I like turbos.
Edited by captainaverage on Monday 23 October 18:35
captainaverage said:
C70R said:
Private cars are being targeted because they are an incredibly inefficient means of transporting one person (the most likely scenario of a London car commuter).
Ergo, with all cars being equal, private cars are still producing the majority of pollution per person that they transport. And that's completely ignoring what a complete waste of road-space they are.
That is why they are getting targeted.
C70, I think I found the right site for you:Ergo, with all cars being equal, private cars are still producing the majority of pollution per person that they transport. And that's completely ignoring what a complete waste of road-space they are.
That is why they are getting targeted.
https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/what-we-do/
I thought this was pistonheads.
I love cars as much as the next man, but you'd have to be a special kind of arrogant to think that you have some sort of divine right to drive in London...
C70R said:
Thicko, recidivist argument. I'm willing to bet you don't even live/commute in London.
I love cars as much as the next man, but you'd have to be a special kind of arrogant to think that you have some sort of divine right to drive in London...
As far as I'm concerned I've paid my RFL based on the number of CO2's I pollute, I pay £1000's a year in fuel duty and they take over 40% of my income in tax and then 20% of whatever i spend....I love cars as much as the next man, but you'd have to be a special kind of arrogant to think that you have some sort of divine right to drive in London...
Through a combination of all the above I've paid my dues (many multiples of the average) and should have the right to use any public highway without further impediment.
captainaverage said:
Willy Nilly said:
The vehicles subject to the charge are at least 11 years old now, which is pretty much end of or near end of life for most cars. For personal transport, there are plenty of options to get in and out of London and for businesses they would need to decide if it is cheaper to pay the charge or upgrade. Occassional visitors will probably be better off paying the charge.
Let's be honest, the bulk of vehicles are compliant.
Then find me a new car without airbags, fat steering wheels, no traction control at all, no funky electronics and less bulky than most new monster trucks...Let's be honest, the bulk of vehicles are compliant.
Oh and twin turbos, I like turbos.
Edited by captainaverage on Monday 23 October 18:35
Are you really that much of a diesel fan?
kiethton said:
C70R said:
Thicko, recidivist argument. I'm willing to bet you don't even live/commute in London.
I love cars as much as the next man, but you'd have to be a special kind of arrogant to think that you have some sort of divine right to drive in London...
As far as I'm concerned I've paid my RFL based on the number of CO2's I pollute, I pay £1000's a year in fuel duty and they take over 40% of my income in tax and then 20% of whatever i spend....I love cars as much as the next man, but you'd have to be a special kind of arrogant to think that you have some sort of divine right to drive in London...
Through a combination of all the above I've paid my dues (many multiples of the average) and should have the right to use any public highway without further impediment.
C70R said:
If that's your level of selfishness, then I'm wasting my breath. Good luck with everything in Lee.
Moved thankfully, far nicer area a few miles west but still on the edge of the south circ.Tbh it's hardly selfish, you buy something to do a job, you pay a ruinous amount to enable you to do so legally and then with a swipe of a pen by a mayor who needs to be seen to be doing something (whilst looking out for his unionist mates) changes something and your potentially down the pan for many £'000's through no fault of your own.
It's totally ridiculous, to an extent I can understand diesels, not motorbikes or petrol cars.
C70R said:
If that's your level of selfishness, then I'm wasting my breath. Good luck with everything in Lee.
Recidivst argument? Says the man/woman who jumps to calling people snobs etc on the internet 
I think we are wasting time here, I strongly urge you to try this website:
https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/what-we-do/
kiethton said:
Moved thankfully, far nicer area a few miles west but still on the edge of the south circ.
Tbh it's hardly selfish, you buy something to do a job, you pay a ruinous amount to enable you to do so legally and then with a swipe of a pen by a mayor who needs to be seen to be doing something (whilst looking out for his unionist mates) changes something and your potentially down the pan for many £'000's through no fault of your own.
It's totally ridiculous, to an extent I can understand diesels, not motorbikes or petrol cars.
I've realised there is no point arguing about this with him/her. I agree what you've stated above though and soon this will be a UK wide thing. Tbh it's hardly selfish, you buy something to do a job, you pay a ruinous amount to enable you to do so legally and then with a swipe of a pen by a mayor who needs to be seen to be doing something (whilst looking out for his unionist mates) changes something and your potentially down the pan for many £'000's through no fault of your own.
It's totally ridiculous, to an extent I can understand diesels, not motorbikes or petrol cars.
Willy Nilly said:
captainaverage said:
People think it's just London right now. Soon the whole of UK will follow. Ridiculous and pathetic.
The vehicles subject to the charge are at least 11 years old now, which is pretty much end of or near end of life for most cars. For personal transport, there are plenty of options to get in and out of London and for businesses they would need to decide if it is cheaper to pay the charge or upgrade. Occassional visitors will probably be better off paying the charge. Let's be honest, the bulk of vehicles are compliant.
Do cars get to a certain age and a switch is flicked and it just stops working ?
valiant said:
vz-r_dave said:
They ban UBER for being a danger to the public yet allow the disgusting black cabs to continue their 26% NOx (of the total contributers in London) into the London atmosphere. Charge joe public so they can replace the fleet and continue to charge the Londoner rediculous fee's for their taxi journey's..... I love London but seriously hate how f
king backwards TFL and our Mayor is on this subject.
Uber is not banned as they are appealing and once they abide by the terms and conditions that apply to all other private hire firms, they will be free to ply their trade.king backwards TFL and our Mayor is on this subject. Black cabs will all have to switch to electric or zero emissions in the coming years. (Could be as early as 2018 but not entirely sure and the oldest cab allowed will be 15 years so as each year goes by, the ratio of electric cabs will increase with the last phased out by 2032)
TfL set the fees for black cabs not the cabbies themselves.
Edited by valiant on Monday 23 October 17:53
Edited by vz-r_dave on Monday 23 October 20:44
TV8 said:
There are a bunch of expensive looking cameras put up on a few roads near me - between Croydon and Bromley. I knew it was a question of when, not if, they were going to be used for cars.
I only run older cars. Looks like my TVR is going to become expensive to run.
Both Bromley and Croydon are outside of the proposed ULEZ - you have nothing to worry about. Have you even done any research?I only run older cars. Looks like my TVR is going to become expensive to run.
SebastienClement said:
egor110 said:
What do you base this on ?
Do cars get to a certain age and a switch is flicked and it just stops working ?
I have two cars. They're both 18 years old. One racked up 20,000 trouble free miles this year. It's nowhere near the end of its life.Do cars get to a certain age and a switch is flicked and it just stops working ?
kiethton said:
Moved thankfully, far nicer area a few miles west but still on the edge of the south circ.
Tbh it's hardly selfish, you buy something to do a job, you pay a ruinous amount to enable you to do so legally and then with a swipe of a pen by a mayor who needs to be seen to be doing something (whilst looking out for his unionist mates) changes something and your potentially down the pan for many £'000's through no fault of your own.
It's totally ridiculous, to an extent I can understand diesels, not motorbikes or petrol cars.
For your, and for captainaverage's ability to have a sensible conversation, I award youTbh it's hardly selfish, you buy something to do a job, you pay a ruinous amount to enable you to do so legally and then with a swipe of a pen by a mayor who needs to be seen to be doing something (whilst looking out for his unionist mates) changes something and your potentially down the pan for many £'000's through no fault of your own.
It's totally ridiculous, to an extent I can understand diesels, not motorbikes or petrol cars.
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