One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 4

[SmoothCriminal]

buymeabar said:

Driving south on the M1 last night. They're closing off L1 800 metres (or yards?) ahead. I'm in L1 and decide there's not much traffic about, I'll not do what most sheep do and move over at the 800 marker, I'll move over a little closer. There's barely any traffic and what there is all doing 50 MPH as that's what the gantry signs say.

So I let the 800, 600 and then 400 marker pass - I'm still in L1 at this point. Just before the 200 marker I indicate to pull into L2, after checking mirrors and there's a Merc Sprinter van in L2 probably 60M back (he's been there since the 800 marker at this point).

Angry Sprinter man then sees my indicator and must have floored it to close the 60M gap. I can't quite believe what I'm seeing in my mirror at this point. Feels like I'm sat there indicating for 20 seconds while I watch him catch up. He gets right up the arse of the car in front, realises he's way too close to that and then drops back just over a car length behind him. There's just - and I mean just - enough room for my car to squeeze in there.

At this stage he's an utter knob jockey for deliberately and desperately closing the door, but I then I do an arguably knobbish thing and just pull out into that gap he's left himself as I'm getting real close to the cones at this point. Cue knob jockey going berserk with horn and lights and some angry shouting from the pair of us through the window as he pulls next to me in lane 3. Note the motorway was nearly empty so he easily moved into lane 3 and accelerated so he could berate me.

After sleeping on it, probably I should have just braked tp pull in behind him and let wkstain get on with his miserable life of road crusading, but he deliberately closed that massive gap either because he'd have preferred me to have moved over at the 800 marker or more likely he needed to get home for some furious masturbation. fker.

Edited by buymeabar on Friday 27th July 10:18

This is why I now check that it is clear double check one flash of indicator and in straight away.
The amount of nobbers that close massive gaps when you indicate is amazing.

I'm not even talking about heavy traffic just normal driving.

You must not get infront of me mentality

[Triumph Man]

Mr2Mike said:

Triumph Man said:

I don't know if he was being a knob or was just incompetent because he seemed very reluctant to filter when stopped, or overtake anything (he remained a few vehicles behind me) and I could see in my mirror he was randomly speeding up and slowing down. Very weird.

Filtering is hardly mandatory, and brings it's own risks. Sounds like the rider was simply inexperienced and lacking confidence.

That was my conclusion. However winding it on when a car is quite clearly lining up and positioning for an overtake (I could see him checking his mirrors) is not really cricket is it?

I wonder if it's the same biker who I once followed down Hart Hill (for those who know it) who would not exceed 25 mph?

[Liquid Knight]

ashleyman said:

Having a little clear out and trying to sell some stuff online.

What is it with people asking 'last price?' or 'best price?'.

The price is listed, make a damn offer if you don't want to pay asking. Idiots.

Too many episodes of "Wheeler Dealers" where the screen price is never what is paid to part suppliers so it looks like haggling actually works.

Some people just need to look up what "Magic of television" means.

[Mandalore]

SmoothCriminal said:

buymeabar said:

Driving south on the M1 last night. They're closing off L1 800 metres (or yards?) ahead. I'm in L1 and decide there's not much traffic about, I'll not do what most sheep do and move over at the 800 marker, I'll move over a little closer. There's barely any traffic and what there is all doing 50 MPH as that's what the gantry signs say.

So I let the 800, 600 and then 400 marker pass - I'm still in L1 at this point. Just before the 200 marker I indicate to pull into L2, after checking mirrors and there's a Merc Sprinter van in L2 probably 60M back (he's been there since the 800 marker at this point).

Angry Sprinter man then sees my indicator and must have floored it to close the 60M gap. I can't quite believe what I'm seeing in my mirror at this point. Feels like I'm sat there indicating for 20 seconds while I watch him catch up. He gets right up the arse of the car in front, realises he's way too close to that and then drops back just over a car length behind him. There's just - and I mean just - enough room for my car to squeeze in there.

At this stage he's an utter knob jockey for deliberately and desperately closing the door, but I then I do an arguably knobbish thing and just pull out into that gap he's left himself as I'm getting real close to the cones at this point. Cue knob jockey going berserk with horn and lights and some angry shouting from the pair of us through the window as he pulls next to me in lane 3. Note the motorway was nearly empty so he easily moved into lane 3 and accelerated so he could berate me.

After sleeping on it, probably I should have just braked tp pull in behind him and let wkstain get on with his miserable life of road crusading, but he deliberately closed that massive gap either because he'd have preferred me to have moved over at the 800 marker or more likely he needed to get home for some furious masturbation. fker.

Edited by buymeabar on Friday 27th July 10:18

This is why I now check that it is clear double check one flash of indicator and in straight away.
The amount of nobbers that close massive gaps when you indicate is amazing.

I'm not even talking about heavy traffic just normal driving.

You must not get infront of me mentality

I always plan ahead and wait until the third flash before physically moving into any lane with a vehicle already in it.

[buymeabar]

Mandalore said:

I always plan ahead and wait until the third flash before physically moving into any lane with a vehicle already in it.

That's a good point actually. Although he was clearly out to fk me off it would have been less of an issue if I'd pulled into L2 on the third flash as he'd have still been 30M behind me (still nailing it of course but at least a bit safer).

I hate driving in the UK these days. Thousands of miles driven in Europe and Italy and I've never encountered so many throbbers like this.

[silverfoxcc]

Things have changed since i past the test, but my Di said his rule of thumb when wanting to change lanes was let the indicator flash once for every 10mph you are doing.BEFORE starting the change
his reasoning was at the higher speeds you get that bit more time to double check mirrors ,plus anyone coming up is made aware you MIGHT move out


However the buggers that really increase the temp of my urine are,in no particular order

dont indicate and move (Did they check before moving???)

Indicate once and move on the second flash

Move then frigging indicate

[Mandalore]

Munter said:

ben5575 said:

Sort of. There's three people involved on a dual carriageway for ease of explanation. Car 1 minding their own business in inside lane. Car 2 minding my own business in the same lane but closing on Car 1. Car 3 in outside lane going 2mph faster than me. Car 3 stays in outside lane and continues to crawl up to then along side me in Car 2. Meanwhile me in Car 2 is about to get boxed in unless I brake to let him crawl past me before rear ending Car 1 or accelerate to undertake Car 3 to overtake Car 1.

Normally this situation doesn't occur because people are paying attention/anticipating the road ahead or there is more than a 2mph speed differential. Car 3 in outside lane can see and anticipates Car 2 is approaching and soon to overtake a slower Car 1 in the inside lane. Car 3 judges whether to go past Car 2 with minimum inconvenience to them (i.e. not forcing them to brake) by speeding up or slows down to allow Car 2 pull out to overtake Car 1. Likewise Car 2 can use their mirrors and judge the space available. Generally no knobbing involved.

I've got no problem with Car 3 making progress and me in car 2 having to anticipate/slow/brake and let him by so as not to impede him; I'm often Car 3 myself. It's the dawdling 'I've set my cruise control and I ain't touching it and to hell with the anticipation/driving bit whilst I sit either on your bumper or alongside you' mentality that singles out the Knob.

Nope it's car 2's problem.

Either anticipate, and pull out before car 3 is close enough that it's an issue to pull out. (That's what I'd do if I was car 2 and doing the limit by GPS)
Or anticipate, lift off well in advance, and pull out after car 3 passes (if I'm not doing the limit, who cares about a few seconds off throttle here and there?).

It's not car 3s job to facilitate your overtake while he's overtaking you.

If you want to control the situation, control it. Get in into the overtaking lane in plenty of time, so car 3 only has to lift off/nudge the cruise down one or 2 clicks, or lift off yourself in plenty of time so you slot in behind the faster car smoothly. Don't bh about not being able to anticipate the actions of a car that's obeying the law, not randomly changing lanes and is doing a steady speed.

If I am ever in car 3's place I usually find it painfully easy to identify anyone who is in car 2's position.
I usually plan to, a) speed up and be past them before they decide to wake up. or, b) slow down and flash them out. or c) plan to be in the next lane before I get to the point where it would be a problem.

If I am ever in car 2's position I always know what is coming up behind me (which is also easy if you check your rear mirrors every so often, like you are supposed to), so I ALWAYS indicate very early, so the approaching the car can see me. They can either a) Speed up and get past me, b) slow down and let me in, c) move into the next lane or d) wait for me to overtake an pull back in.

[Liquid Knight]

Mandalore said:

I always plan ahead and wait until the third flash before physically moving into any lane with a vehicle already in it.

Three flashes?

Sorry but anyone who only uses three before changing lanes in traffic is not just a knob but a crash statistic looking for somewhere to happen. Lack of forward planning and dependent on the observation of others far too much.

I hold the indicator a minimum six flashes before I think about changing lane and continue to indicate until the maneuver is complete,

[ashleyman]

Liquid Knight said:

ashleyman said:

Having a little clear out and trying to sell some stuff online.

What is it with people asking 'last price?' or 'best price?'.

The price is listed, make a damn offer if you don't want to pay asking. Idiots.

Too many episodes of "Wheeler Dealers" where the screen price is never what is paid to part suppliers so it looks like haggling actually works.

Some people just need to look up what "Magic of television" means.

Thing is, I'm happy to haggle and priced my stuff accordingly.

They just don't start anywhere and expect me to give them my 'best price'.

[cologne2792]

Liquid Knight said:

ashleyman said:

Having a little clear out and trying to sell some stuff online.

What is it with people asking 'last price?' or 'best price?'.

The price is listed, make a damn offer if you don't want to pay asking. Idiots.

Too many episodes of "Wheeler Dealers" where the screen price is never what is paid to part suppliers so it looks like haggling actually works.

Some people just need to look up what "Magic of television" means.

My 'best price' is 25% more than the asking price as I love 'the way it gets down the road'

[mattwhite709]

To all the muppets including a learner car who thought it would be a good idea to travel on the hardshoulder on the m1 north because of heavy traffic!!

Words fail me!

[yellowjack]

thatjagbloke said:

Driving at 30mph ( on a 30 limited road ) I was approaching a left turn. I was going straight on and there was a cyclist coming towards me in the centre of the road with his arm out indicating he was going to turn right. Luckily I slowed a bit, not knowing if he would dart across in front of me and a Range Rover overtook the cyclist on his right, nearly wiping him out. The RR must have been doing at least 50mph. What a knob.

There will be some expert PHers along in a moment or two to assure you that the cyclist was being a knob, deserved all he got because he's a cyclist, and that he probably "thinks he owns the road"...


cb1965 & friends appearing in 5... 4... 3... 2...

[yellowjack]

mattwhite709 said:

To all the muppets including a learner car who thought it would be a good idea to travel on the hardshoulder on the m1 north because of heavy traffic!!

Words fail me!

Just wait until this bone-headed conversion to "Smart Motorway" status gets to you. Then there won't be a hard shoulder. Those people you think are knobs? Nah bruvv. They's just wot's called "early adopters"...

[Hol]

yellowjack said:

thatjagbloke said:

Driving at 30mph ( on a 30 limited road ) I was approaching a left turn. I was going straight on and there was a cyclist coming towards me in the centre of the road with his arm out indicating he was going to turn right. Luckily I slowed a bit, not knowing if he would dart across in front of me and a Range Rover overtook the cyclist on his right, nearly wiping him out. The RR must have been doing at least 50mph. What a knob.

There will be some expert PHers along in a moment or two to assure you that the cyclist was being a knob, deserved all he got because he's a cyclist, and that he probably "thinks he owns the road"...


cb1965 & friends appearing in 5... 4... 3... 2...

And so, it seems that nature always provides a balance.

[yellowjack]

Liquid Knight said:

Mandalore said:

I always plan ahead and wait until the third flash before physically moving into any lane with a vehicle already in it.

Three flashes?

Sorry but anyone who only uses three before changing lanes in traffic is not just a knob but a crash statistic looking for somewhere to happen. Lack of forward planning and dependent on the observation of others far too much.

I hold the indicator a minimum six flashes before I think about changing lane and continue to indicate until the maneuver is complete,

Three flashes. Or four. Six maybe? One for every mph? You can't drive by rote. Sometimes it's perfectly safe to change lanes with no indication whatsoever, because you've read the road both ahead and behind, and have engineered a space where you are changing lanes far enough away from other drivers so as to render indicating irrelevant.

Recognise early that you'll need to either slow down or overtake, and plan appropriately for it. Change down, give the slim pedal a good shove, overtake, then pull back in at a safe distance ahead of the vehicle you've passed. Repeat as required. If the gaps in lane 1 traffic aren't safe to pull into, stay in lane 2 until you find a larger gap. It's all quite simple, and with practice it becomes quite intuitive to keep a constant watch on your available mirrors, rather than waiting until you're almost "boxed in" before panicking and slapping wildly at the indicator stalk in the hope that someone in lane 2 will take pity and open a space up for you...

[Mandalore]

It’s simply a case of indicating long enough to b sure the car to your right (or left) has seen your intention before moving.

Too many people just indicate as they more or worse, move quickly across two lanes.
Why is that worse, because people two lanes over would have zero idea what two-laners don’t understand what a lane is.

[anonymous-user]

An indicator is suppose to indicate what you're intending to do. You don't need to indicate you're actually moving, as I can actually see you doing it.

Far too many people seem to use indicators as an instruction to get out of their way rather than an intention. Typically on dual carriageways and motorways it's manoeuvre, signal, mirror, oh st!

[nonsequitur]

yellowjack said:

Liquid Knight said:

Mandalore said:

I always plan ahead and wait until the third flash before physically moving into any lane with a vehicle already in it.

Three flashes?

Sorry but anyone who only uses three before changing lanes in traffic is not just a knob but a crash statistic looking for somewhere to happen. Lack of forward planning and dependent on the observation of others far too much.

I hold the indicator a minimum six flashes before I think about changing lane and continue to indicate until the maneuver is complete,

Three flashes. Or four. Six maybe? One for every mph? You can't drive by rote. Sometimes it's perfectly safe to change lanes with no indication whatsoever, because you've read the road both ahead and behind, and have engineered a space where you are changing lanes far enough away from other drivers so as to render indicating irrelevant.

Recognise early that you'll need to either slow down or overtake, and plan appropriately for it. Change down, give the slim pedal a good shove, overtake, then pull back in at a safe distance ahead of the vehicle you've passed. Repeat as required. If the gaps in lane 1 traffic aren't safe to pull into, stay in lane 2 until you find a larger gap. It's all quite simple, and with practice it becomes quite intuitive to keep a constant watch on your available mirrors, rather than waiting until you're almost "boxed in" before panicking and slapping wildly at the indicator stalk in the hope that someone in lane 2 will take pity and open a space up for you...

Changing lanes with no indication? No yellow, the road may appear to have ' engineered space' , but not to indicate? Sorry, but slack driving.

[romeogolf]

nonsequitur said:

Changing lanes with no indication? No yellow, the road may appear to have ' engineered space' , but not to indicate? Sorry, but slack driving.

Signals are for the benefit of other road users. If there is no road user who will benefit from the signal, the signal is not required.

[nonsequitur]

romeogolf said:

nonsequitur said:

Changing lanes with no indication? No yellow, the road may appear to have ' engineered space' , but not to indicate? Sorry, but slack driving.

Signals are for the benefit of other road users. If there is no road user who will benefit from the signal, the signal is not required.

' Other road users ' have a nasty habit of appearing after a driver has not indicated their intentions. Anyway, indicating is no great barrier to driving in any conditions. It's so simple. Just a flick of the hand. Sorted. Every time.