One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 4

One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 4

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forzaminardi

2,281 posts

186 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Cliftonite said:
Killer2005 said:
Following on from the roundabout knobs above, another one for me today.

M62 roundabout at Brighouse coming out of Huddersfield. 2 lanes to join the roundabout, left for M62 westbound and straight across to Brighouse, right lane for Brighouse and M62 eastbound.



I'm going eastbound so naturally join the righthand lane and indicating right. Halfwit in a white audi A3 enters roundabout in the left hand lane, and stays in it all the way round to the eastbound exit, then gesticulates at me when I indicate left and move across in front of him when I'm coming to my exit. I gave him plenty of room, but no idea why he felt it was my fault.
This is Leeds/Bradford area. There are a lot of "special" drivers in Audi A3s there. (I think you will know that). See YouTube videos for evidence/details.
Indeed there are a lot of special cases in the Hudds/Leeds/Bradford area. I had many a similar experience at this roundabout and at Ainley Top. Angry Dashcam Guy seems to be a local resident and has a lot of recordings of the same - although he does go on about it.

forzaminardi

2,281 posts

186 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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International entry here from Melbourne, Australia. A lot of people warned me driving in Oz was of a pretty low standard but so far I can't say I've noticed a huge difference except that everyone goes everywhere so.... sloooooooowwwwllllllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyy.

However last Tuesday I was almost killed twice on my way to work.

Strike one - Wannabe cougar mom in a white VW Tiguan behind me irritated that I left a car's space between my car and the one ahead of me in a slow-moving line approaching a right turn onto a freeway entrance, so she beeps, gesticulates furiously (including waving her coffee about), swerves into the left 'straight-on' lane to try and overtake, realises too late that the 'straight-on' lane is stationary and attempts to cut back into 'my' lane while she's alongside me, I beep and swerve, she cr*ps herself, swerves back to the left then obviously decides she won't be beaten by a little car, swerves back toward me. Meanwhile 'my' lane has cleared for me to speed up, the cars following evidently don't feel charitably disposed toward her and don't let her in so she is forced to carry on straight and miss the turn. I am a little bemused at all this; if she'd stayed behind me, she'd have been on her way 5 seconds after me, instead I guess she had to .

Strike two - approaching my place of work I am going down a suburban road and an oncoming Toyota Camry inexplicably comes onto 'my' side of the road. I stop in short order; the baldy bloke driver seems oblivious to my car screeching to a halt immediately in front of his, and turns into a parking space. No idea why he went to my side of the road 50 feet before the space, evidently blind. Cars behind forced me to carry on rather than stopping to exchange notes with him.

Mafffew

2,149 posts

110 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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The two people managed to bump into each other in stop-start traffic on the M4 this morning.

Likelihood is that only one is at fault, well done to you sir, for making an already ste situation even worse. Knob.

Old Man Fred

821 posts

88 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Cyclist this morning that decided he didn't need to wait for a gap in traffic in an NSL single carriageway to pull out of a side junction. Good job the driver had decent anticipation/reactions otherwise the biker would have been knocked off, or had he swerved it would have been a head on with another car. This is in Milton Keynes where there are 6 foot wide 'redways' for pedestrians and cyclists so they dont have to cycle on the road

Also, the tennis players who are complaining about poor air quality in Australia. That's because of the many many bush fires which are killing numerous people, ruining lives and killing millions of animals. If it bothers you that much, fk off somewhere else. OTOH kudos to those that are playing exhibition matches to raise money

Solocle

3,247 posts

83 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Old Man Fred said:
Cyclist this morning that decided he didn't need to wait for a gap in traffic in an NSL single carriageway to pull out of a side junction. Good job the driver had decent anticipation/reactions otherwise the biker would have been knocked off, or had he swerved it would have been a head on with another car. This is in Milton Keynes where there are 6 foot wide 'redways' for pedestrians and cyclists so they dont have to cycle on the road

Also, the tennis players who are complaining about poor air quality in Australia. That's because of the many many bush fires which are killing numerous people, ruining lives and killing millions of animals. If it bothers you that much, fk off somewhere else. OTOH kudos to those that are playing exhibition matches to raise money
https://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2012/04/... - at the end highlights problems with the redways. They're there to keep pedestrians/cyclists out of the way more than anything. It's not surprising that some people ignore them.

No excuse for pulling out badly - I've emerged onto NSL dual carriageways before, and people don't generally change lanes to let a cyclist out. Slip roads are obviously of no use, either. And yet, even when the right hand lane is clear, I don't try to force motorists to change into it, I'll wait until I'm not visibly in conflict with anybody (which, given the sight lines, can take a while).

torx_whisperer

113 posts

192 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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People who will jump the queue and go around the round about to cut in to the left / strait lane that is queuing.

"merging" on to a motorway at 35mph where everyone else is going at least 60mph (usually more) - and being behind that driver.

Also, chancers that cut in at speed right at the last minute on an exit.


Graveworm

8,476 posts

70 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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torx_whisperer said:
Also, chancers that cut in at speed right at the last minute on an exit.
This was taught, expected and prized by Hendon for decades. I think it has mellowed of late, not because if done properly, by someone who has properly planned it, it's unsafe or causes any actual harm. More about appearances and third party perception as ably demonstrated here.

nonsequitur

20,083 posts

115 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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torx_whisperer said:
People who will jump the queue and go around the round about to cut in to the left / strait lane that is queuing.
I do that on occasion. No one is inconvenienced and it is not pushing in as per the true PH meaning of pushing in.
I would argue that it is a bit cheeky rather than nobish driving.

lyonspride

2,978 posts

154 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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torx_whisperer said:
Also, chancers that cut in at speed right at the last minute on an exit.
I've done this to a lesser or greater extent, but it's only ever been because i'd indicated to get into lane 1 a mile back, and the folks in lane 1 then proceeded to bunch up to stop me getting in ahead of them.

markyb_lcy

9,904 posts

61 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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While we are on roundabouts and signalling...

People who on small roundabouts completely ignore your right turn signal. They’ve seen 2 or 3 cars in front of you go straight ahead, then you pull out with a right turn signal on, foot hovering above the brake as you approach the 2nd exit (going for 3rd / 3 o clock exit) as you just KNOW they will pull out. And they do. Had one yesterday, had to slam on before giving him a good dose of horn. He straight-lined it too and looked at me like I was a species from another planet. If anyone was behind me they might well have rear-ended. Even stopped afterwards to check my indicator was actually working. Course it was, just another clueless fool unable to observe or navigate a RAB properly. Boils my blood this one as it happens so damn predictably.

Edited by markyb_lcy on Monday 20th January 13:11


Edited by markyb_lcy on Monday 20th January 13:13

torx_whisperer

113 posts

192 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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nonsequitur said:
torx_whisperer said:
People who will jump the queue and go around the round about to cut in to the left / strait lane that is queuing.
I do that on occasion. No one is inconvenienced and it is not pushing in as per the true PH meaning of pushing in.
I would argue that it is a bit cheeky rather than nobish driving.
Don't disagree, it is a bit cheeky at worst. I think what pisses me off about it is that outside of cars most people are far more accommodating and respectful of others. Drop someone in a car and suddenly all respect and social conventions like queueing and right of way etc are out the window.

I tend to go by the mantra I treat others on the road as I like to be treated - and you just never know what kind of day another driver has had and doing something seemingly futile like jumping a queue or cutting someone off could be the last straw that tips them over. We've all seen the road rage videos.

Cliftonite

8,406 posts

137 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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nonsequitur said:
torx_whisperer said:
People who will jump the queue and go around the round about to cut in to the left / strait lane that is queuing.
I do that on occasion. No one is inconvenienced and it is not pushing in as per the true PH meaning of pushing in.
I would argue that it is a bit cheeky rather than nobish driving.
The CPS do not agree with you, Woody. Don't do it within sight of Plod. Seems it is "careless" or "inconsiderate" driving or somesuch (whatever it is called this week).

HTH.




torx_whisperer

113 posts

192 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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lyonspride said:
torx_whisperer said:
Also, chancers that cut in at speed right at the last minute on an exit.
I've done this to a lesser or greater extent, but it's only ever been because i'd indicated to get into lane 1 a mile back, and the folks in lane 1 then proceeded to bunch up to stop me getting in ahead of them.
Know exactly what you mean - and that's fair enough. I was thinking of the white vans that cut in at 70mph crossing the solid lines of the box section literally metres before the barrier.

markyb_lcy

9,904 posts

61 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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lyonspride said:
torx_whisperer said:
Also, chancers that cut in at speed right at the last minute on an exit.
I've done this to a lesser or greater extent, but it's only ever been because i'd indicated to get into lane 1 a mile back, and the folks in lane 1 then proceeded to bunch up to stop me getting in ahead of them.
Yea, they see you as “queue jumping” by not getting in as early as they did.

First point is that if everyone got in as early as possible, the queue would be a lot worse. 2nd point is that they’re failing to realise everyone behind them has been as tight as they are and that it would be completely unsafe to full on stop in lane 2 (lane 1 if queue is on the slip). Still, you do see people doing / having to do this.

mikal83

5,340 posts

251 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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forzaminardi said:
International entry here from Melbourne, Australia. A lot of people warned me driving in Oz was of a pretty low standard but so far I can't say I've noticed a huge difference except that everyone goes everywhere so.... sloooooooowwwwllllllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyy.

However last Tuesday I was almost killed twice on my way to work.

Strike one - Wannabe cougar mom in a white VW Tiguan behind me irritated that I left a car's space between my car and the one ahead of me in a slow-moving line approaching a right turn onto a freeway entrance, so she beeps, gesticulates furiously (including waving her coffee about), swerves into the left 'straight-on' lane to try and overtake, realises too late that the 'straight-on' lane is stationary and attempts to cut back into 'my' lane while she's alongside me, I beep and swerve, she cr*ps herself, swerves back to the left then obviously decides she won't be beaten by a little car, swerves back toward me. Meanwhile 'my' lane has cleared for me to speed up, the cars following evidently don't feel charitably disposed toward her and don't let her in so she is forced to carry on straight and miss the turn. I am a little bemused at all this; if she'd stayed behind me, she'd have been on her way 5 seconds after me, instead I guess she had to .

Strike two - approaching my place of work I am going down a suburban road and an oncoming Toyota Camry inexplicably comes onto 'my' side of the road. I stop in short order; the baldy bloke driver seems oblivious to my car screeching to a halt immediately in front of his, and turns into a parking space. No idea why he went to my side of the road 50 feet before the space, evidently blind. Cars behind forced me to carry on rather than stopping to exchange notes with him.
Ha. Go to NZ, they dont overtake unless theres at least 2 km's of MT road in the oncoming lane. if not, they will just sit behind you forever.

Blown2CV

28,695 posts

202 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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torx_whisperer said:
nonsequitur said:
torx_whisperer said:
People who will jump the queue and go around the round about to cut in to the left / strait lane that is queuing.
I do that on occasion. No one is inconvenienced and it is not pushing in as per the true PH meaning of pushing in.
I would argue that it is a bit cheeky rather than nobish driving.
Don't disagree, it is a bit cheeky at worst. I think what pisses me off about it is that outside of cars most people are far more accommodating and respectful of others. Drop someone in a car and suddenly all respect and social conventions like queueing and right of way etc are out the window.

I tend to go by the mantra I treat others on the road as I like to be treated - and you just never know what kind of day another driver has had and doing something seemingly futile like jumping a queue or cutting someone off could be the last straw that tips them over. We've all seen the road rage videos.
depends on the architecture of the road/roundabout and how close the vehicles are queueing. Many roundabouts where the entry roads (or main entry) are dual lane (both permitting straight on) and the exit you need goes down to one lane have a merge-in-turn immediately after the exit. So yea under those circumstances people might get pissed off but they have no right to. However if the 2nd lane on entry is marked up such that it's for other exits rather than the one you want then it's not cool...... however i'm not your dad do what you want!!

21st Century Man

40,659 posts

247 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Cliftonite said:
nonsequitur said:
torx_whisperer said:
People who will jump the queue and go around the round about to cut in to the left / strait lane that is queuing.
I do that on occasion. No one is inconvenienced and it is not pushing in as per the true PH meaning of pushing in.
I would argue that it is a bit cheeky rather than nobish driving.
The CPS do not agree with you, Woody. Don't do it within sight of Plod. Seems it is "careless" or "inconsiderate" driving or somesuch (whatever it is called this week).

HTH.
That sounds utterly bizarre to me. I'm not defending them, but It's not illegal to approach a roundabout in the right turn lane signalling right, to navigate the roundabout signalling right and then to signal left at the exit you require, where you also have the right of way. That sounds like adhering to the rules of the road rather than contravening them, no different to anyone entering from any other point or going around to do a U turn for whatever reason. Then there's the issue of intent, could be a simple case of turning right as part of their route then realising they meant to pop in at B&Q which is on the left and simply continuing to go around. I can't see that being prosecuted. I would like to know what the actual offence might be.

Graveworm

8,476 posts

70 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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21st Century Man said:
hat sounds utterly bizarre to me. I'm not defending them, but It's not illegal to approach a roundabout in the right turn lane signalling right, to navigate the roundabout signalling right and then to signal left at the exit you require, where you also have the right of way. That sounds like adhering to the rules of the road rather than contravening them, no different to anyone entering from any other point or going around to do a U turn for whatever reason. Then there's the issue of intent, could be a simple case of turning right as part of their route then realising they meant to pop in at B&Q which is on the left and simply continuing to go around. I can't see that being prosecuted. I would like to know what the actual offence might be.
Driving without reasonable consideration for other users.
cps said:
... misuse of any lane to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers;
. The mistake might well be fine but then, of course we are into being dishonest to avoid the consequences of your actions.

rjg48

2,671 posts

60 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Plus Parking.

bluezedd

1,007 posts

81 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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torx_whisperer said:
People who will jump the queue and go around the round about to cut in to the left / strait lane that is queuing.
I'd regularly during the Christmas shopping period while going to work. the main reason was because the roundabout is at the end of a sliproad, and the queue of traffic meant I am likely to get rear ended on my mototbike if I sat in the queue of cars. I'd rather annoy the people queuing than get rear ended.

That said, that is the only location that I have done that. During that period, the queue often ends up in lane 1 or hard shoulder of the motorway.
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