One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 4

[Cliftonite]

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[Taylor James]

21st Century Man said:

Cliftonite said:

nonsequitur said:

torx_whisperer said:

People who will jump the queue and go around the round about to cut in to the left / strait lane that is queuing.

I do that on occasion. No one is inconvenienced and it is not pushing in as per the true PH meaning of pushing in.
I would argue that it is a bit cheeky rather than nobish driving.

The CPS do not agree with you, Woody. Don't do it within sight of Plod. Seems it is "careless" or "inconsiderate" driving or somesuch (whatever it is called this week).

HTH.

That sounds utterly bizarre to me. I'm not defending them, but It's not illegal to approach a roundabout in the right turn lane signalling right, to navigate the roundabout signalling right and then to signal left at the exit you require, where you also have the right of way. That sounds like adhering to the rules of the road rather than contravening them, no different to anyone entering from any other point or going around to do a U turn for whatever reason. Then there's the issue of intent, could be a simple case of turning right as part of their route then realising they meant to pop in at B&Q which is on the left and simply continuing to go around. I can't see that being prosecuted. I would like to know what the actual offence might be.

It's called taking the piss. Only self important dicks do it and anyone who is surprised by people not liking it is a bit dense as well as entitled.

[21st Century Man]

Taylor James said:

21st Century Man said:

Cliftonite said:

nonsequitur said:

torx_whisperer said:

People who will jump the queue and go around the round about to cut in to the left / strait lane that is queuing.

I do that on occasion. No one is inconvenienced and it is not pushing in as per the true PH meaning of pushing in.
I would argue that it is a bit cheeky rather than nobish driving.

The CPS do not agree with you, Woody. Don't do it within sight of Plod. Seems it is "careless" or "inconsiderate" driving or somesuch (whatever it is called this week).

HTH.

That sounds utterly bizarre to me. I'm not defending them, but It's not illegal to approach a roundabout in the right turn lane signalling right, to navigate the roundabout signalling right and then to signal left at the exit you require, where you also have the right of way. That sounds like adhering to the rules of the road rather than contravening them, no different to anyone entering from any other point or going around to do a U turn for whatever reason. Then there's the issue of intent, could be a simple case of turning right as part of their route then realising they meant to pop in at B&Q which is on the left and simply continuing to go around. I can't see that being prosecuted. I would like to know what the actual offence might be.

It's called taking the piss. Only self important dicks do it and anyone who is surprised by people not liking it is a bit dense as well as entitled.

I agree with you. I was surprised it was an offence though, not that people don't like it, so I hope you weren't adressing me as dense or entitled, I was just questioning the legal technicality, which seemed improbable.

[markyb_lcy]

21st Century Man said:

Cliftonite said:

nonsequitur said:

torx_whisperer said:

People who will jump the queue and go around the round about to cut in to the left / strait lane that is queuing.

I do that on occasion. No one is inconvenienced and it is not pushing in as per the true PH meaning of pushing in.
I would argue that it is a bit cheeky rather than nobish driving.

The CPS do not agree with you, Woody. Don't do it within sight of Plod. Seems it is "careless" or "inconsiderate" driving or somesuch (whatever it is called this week).

HTH.

That sounds utterly bizarre to me. I'm not defending them, but It's not illegal to approach a roundabout in the right turn lane signalling right, to navigate the roundabout signalling right and then to signal left at the exit you require, where you also have the right of way. That sounds like adhering to the rules of the road rather than contravening them, no different to anyone entering from any other point or going around to do a U turn for whatever reason. Then there's the issue of intent, could be a simple case of turning right as part of their route then realising they meant to pop in at B&Q which is on the left and simply continuing to go around. I can't see that being prosecuted. I would like to know what the actual offence might be.

I had always assumed, maybe rightly or wrongly, that the left-hand / near side lane always has “right of way” (priority) for leaving the roundabout (assuming a single lane exit from a multi-lane roundabout). If you’re in the right-hand / offside lane and you want to exit to a single lane exit, I’ve always believed you should have moved over to the left after the penultimate exit that you desire. In this instance, I can see no reason why going all the way around in the offside lane would gain an advantage over those queuing in the near side lane.

Or are you describing a multi-lane exit from a multi-lane roundabout?

Or am I just confusing myself.

[Pica-Pica]

nonsequitur said:

Good old Tesco ! (Never knowingly underparked).

They have recently erected some metal posts in the hatched areas at the end of each parking line at my local store.

Now the nobs who parked there, and there were plenty, will have to park in an actual bay. (We live in hope).

I would love to see that in my local Tesco. Worse thing is, it seems large vans seem to utilise these hatched areas (no, not Tesco vans).

[Taylor James]

21st Century Man said:

I agree with you. I was surprised it was an offence though, not that people don't like it, so I hope you weren't adressing me as dense or entitled, I was just questioning the legal technicality, which seemed improbable.

Nope, addressed to knobs only.

[nonsequitur]

Taylor James said:

It's called taking the piss. Only self important dicks do it and anyone who is surprised by people not liking it is a bit dense as well as entitled.

Agree. Who are these people?

[Gerradi]

DaveGoddard said:

Because he was in an Audi A3 and drivers of those are exempt from all road rules, don't you know nuffink?

Is Audi A3 a euphemism for cyclists...

[WarrenB]

Graveworm said:

21st Century Man said:

hat sounds utterly bizarre to me. I'm not defending them, but It's not illegal to approach a roundabout in the right turn lane signalling right, to navigate the roundabout signalling right and then to signal left at the exit you require, where you also have the right of way. That sounds like adhering to the rules of the road rather than contravening them, no different to anyone entering from any other point or going around to do a U turn for whatever reason. Then there's the issue of intent, could be a simple case of turning right as part of their route then realising they meant to pop in at B&Q which is on the left and simply continuing to go around. I can't see that being prosecuted. I would like to know what the actual offence might be.

Driving without reasonable consideration for other users.

cps said:

... misuse of any lane to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers;

. The mistake might well be fine but then, of course we are into being dishonest to avoid the consequences of your actions.

Bit ambiguous. If there's two lanes going straight ahead, and everyone is queuing in the left hand lane and you pass by them all in the right hand lane, you're avoiding queuing and getting an advantage over other drivers, but it's legal.

[anonymous-user]

Graveworm said:

21st Century Man said:

hat sounds utterly bizarre to me. I'm not defending them, but It's not illegal to approach a roundabout in the right turn lane signalling right, to navigate the roundabout signalling right and then to signal left at the exit you require, where you also have the right of way. That sounds like adhering to the rules of the road rather than contravening them, no different to anyone entering from any other point or going around to do a U turn for whatever reason. Then there's the issue of intent, could be a simple case of turning right as part of their route then realising they meant to pop in at B&Q which is on the left and simply continuing to go around. I can't see that being prosecuted. I would like to know what the actual offence might be.

Driving without reasonable consideration for other users.

cps said:

... misuse of any lane to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers;

. The mistake might well be fine but then, of course we are into being dishonest to avoid the consequences of your actions.

Ah but surely what is being described isn’t misuse of a lane. IMO, misuse would be turning left from the RH lane contrary to what the road markings indicate, and gaining an advantage that way. Whereas using the right hand lane to complete a 450 degree route around the roundabout, signalled correctly is a perfectly valid and correct use.

Interested to hear other’s thoughts (particularly those in the legal profession who make a living interpreting regulations) on this.

[Graveworm]

Jbeale96 said:

Ah but surely what is being described isn’t misuse of a lane. IMO, misuse would be turning left from the RH lane contrary to what the road markings indicate, and gaining an advantage that way. Whereas using the right hand lane to complete a 450 degree route around the roundabout, signalled correctly is a perfectly valid and correct use.

Interested to hear other’s thoughts (particularly those in the legal profession who make a living interpreting regulations) on this.

Many roundabouts with the nearside have a left turn direction arrow occasionally with straight on, offside has right turn arrow also sometimes with straight on. Highway code says..

When taking the first exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise signal approach in the left-hand lane Keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave. People have been prosecuted for doing exactly what you describe.

I am curious why you going ahead and therefore holding up everyone else is anything other than inconsiderate. If everyone did it roundabouts would be vastly less efficient. Of course rather this than people who realise they are positioned wrong for their exit and cut across or stop on the roundabout looking for a gap.

[anonymous-user]

Graveworm said:

Many roundabouts with the nearside have a left turn direction arrow occasionally with straight on, offside has right turn arrow also sometimes with straight on. Highway code says..

When taking the first exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise signal approach in the left-hand lane Keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave. People have been prosecuted for doing exactly what you describe.

I am curious why you going ahead and therefore holding up everyone else is anything other than inconsiderate. If everyone did it roundabouts would be vastly less efficient. Of course rather this than people who realise they are positioned wrong for their exit and cut across or stop on the roundabout looking for a gap.

I’m not saying I do this because I don’t and generally have no need to, was just curious about the legal wording.

However, can you provide an actual example of someone being prosecuted for this, because I cannot find one single case? Unless you mean being prosecuted for turning left from the right lane without going around the roundabout, in which case I should hope they were prosecuted.

[Sn1ckers]

21st Century Man said:

Taylor James said:

21st Century Man said:

Cliftonite said:

nonsequitur said:

torx_whisperer said:

People who will jump the queue and go around the round about to cut in to the left / strait lane that is queuing.

I do that on occasion. No one is inconvenienced and it is not pushing in as per the true PH meaning of pushing in.
I would argue that it is a bit cheeky rather than nobish driving.

The CPS do not agree with you, Woody. Don't do it within sight of Plod. Seems it is "careless" or "inconsiderate" driving or somesuch (whatever it is called this week).

HTH.

That sounds utterly bizarre to me. I'm not defending them, but It's not illegal to approach a roundabout in the right turn lane signalling right, to navigate the roundabout signalling right and then to signal left at the exit you require, where you also have the right of way. That sounds like adhering to the rules of the road rather than contravening them, no different to anyone entering from any other point or going around to do a U turn for whatever reason. Then there's the issue of intent, could be a simple case of turning right as part of their route then realising they meant to pop in at B&Q which is on the left and simply continuing to go around. I can't see that being prosecuted. I would like to know what the actual offence might be.

It's called taking the piss. Only self important dicks do it and anyone who is surprised by people not liking it is a bit dense as well as entitled.

I agree with you. I was surprised it was an offence though, not that people don't like it, so I hope you weren't adressing me as dense or entitled, I was just questioning the legal technicality, which seemed improbable.

I have a simple rule when it comes to situations like this; would I do it if it were people standing in a queue rather than sitting in a car? If there’s a long queue of people would you walk down the outside of them and try to push in near the front? I suspect for almost everyone the answer is no so why do it in a car apart from because you feel safe and anonymous inside your metal box?

[Solocle]

WarrenB said:

Bit ambiguous. If there's two lanes going straight ahead, and everyone is queuing in the left hand lane and you pass by them all in the right hand lane, you're avoiding queuing and getting an advantage over other drivers, but it's legal.

It's not the locally done thing to use the right lane for straight on here. It's "queue jumping". People will try and block you.

But you're not going to be prosecuted for following lane markings.

[markyb_lcy]

One thinks (and hopes) frankly, that there are bigger fish to fry!

[yellowjack]

Trying to get out of the Cathedral & Quay car park in Exeter this afternoon. Two lanes down the hill, traffic heavy. Queue in nearside lane, but I thought "it's OK. Someone will notice the great big yellow box junction marked on the floor and let me into the offside lane". I needed the offside lane to get down to the cut-through before the roundabout so I could come back up the hill to get onto the A30 to Honiton.

So there I am, waiting while traffic was moving. Then the lights down the hill changed to red and traffic slowed and then stopped. Just as I'm about to pull forward into the offside lane, some smug looking twunt in a 4x4 decides to look me straight in the eye with a supercilious look on his poncy face while he slowly edged forward to block my exit. Well he didn't manage to block me fully. I turned my wheels to make a slight uphill movement before turning left around the end of his fat, stupid car. He got a long "Beeeep!" as I did so.

Then I got to the little cut-through on the right, slipped neatly out and back up the hill, and for good measure gave him another long "Beeeep!" as I passed him (now heading in the opposite direction) and he still hadn't moved more than three feet forward. "smug on that, ya floppy-haired blonde ponce"...

...then my wife said "you're such a knob sometimes - why can't you leave it, there was no need for the horn there". And she's probably right, too.

Oh, and you can add in the ahole in a black Corsa in the car park who couldn't be bothered to follow the "Out" arrows on a loop of the lower deck of the car park, and instead went the wrong side of a support pillar AND double solid white lines, and very nearly straight into the front of a BMW coming (correctly) down the "In" side of the entry/exit ramp.

[AlexRS2782]

rjg48 said:

Plus Parking.

Not just parking - that fits fine on both the badly modified & crappy plates threads too.

[g3org3y]

Solocle said:

WarrenB said:

Bit ambiguous. If there's two lanes going straight ahead, and everyone is queuing in the left hand lane and you pass by them all in the right hand lane, you're avoiding queuing and getting an advantage over other drivers, but it's legal.

It's not the locally done thing to use the right lane for straight on here. It's "queue jumping". People will try and block you.

But you're not going to be prosecuted for following lane markings.

The local people are wrong. I wouldn't have a problem using the right lane to go straight on in the above situation.

[Toaster Pilot]

Solocle said:

WarrenB said:

Bit ambiguous. If there's two lanes going straight ahead, and everyone is queuing in the left hand lane and you pass by them all in the right hand lane, you're avoiding queuing and getting an advantage over other drivers, but it's legal.

It's not the locally done thing to use the right lane for straight on here. It's "queue jumping". People will try and block you.

But you're not going to be prosecuted for following lane markings.

This is a completely different situation to what was originally being described - ie you’re turning left, there’s a huge queue to turn left so you think you’re being clever by using the right lane to go all the way around the roundabout and take the first exit.

Using the right hand lane to go straight on is what it’s designed for at that particular junction.

[Hol]

g3org3y said:

Solocle said:

WarrenB said:

Bit ambiguous. If there's two lanes going straight ahead, and everyone is queuing in the left hand lane and you pass by them all in the right hand lane, you're avoiding queuing and getting an advantage over other drivers, but it's legal.

It's not the locally done thing to use the right lane for straight on here. It's "queue jumping". People will try and block you.

But you're not going to be prosecuted for following lane markings.

The local people are wrong. I wouldn't have a problem using the right lane to go straight on in the above situation.

Even the road markings and the large merge arrow when exiting the RAB, seem to indicate it is exactly how the road planners designed it to work. All over the country the exact same scenario works fine.

I am guessing it fails to deliver, because the left lane enters onto and blocks the outside of the RAB?

Edited by Hol on Tuesday 21st January 08:31