One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 4

One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 4

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HTP99

22,443 posts

139 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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M25 last night, the matrix signs flash up that there is an obstruction in the road, on the gantries signs flash up over L1 and L2 with arrows pointing to L3.

I move from L3 to L4 as I'm expecting L3 to bunch up more due to everyone from L1 and L2 wanting to move over, the signs carry on for a mile or 2, showing up on every gantry.

Eventually the big red "X" shows above L1 and L2, I'm amazed at how many cars, lorries and vans made no attempt to move out of the soon to be closed lanes, they had ample warning to do so and yet remained there and now with the red X showing, both lanes where as full as they were before the warnings.

These people are obviously far too important to give the emergency and recovery services space and to heed the warnings and instructions!

torx_whisperer

113 posts

192 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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g3org3y said:
Solocle said:
WarrenB said:
Bit ambiguous. If there's two lanes going straight ahead, and everyone is queuing in the left hand lane and you pass by them all in the right hand lane, you're avoiding queuing and getting an advantage over other drivers, but it's legal.


It's not the locally done thing to use the right lane for straight on here. It's "queue jumping". People will try and block you.

But you're not going to be prosecuted for following lane markings.
The local people are wrong. I wouldn't have a problem using the right lane to go straight on in the above situation.
This is interesting - there are 2 consecutive roundabouts in Guildford / Burpham I had in mind with my first post - where with the first the exit to go strait is a single lane, not a merge - and those that cut in by going around the roundabout are always obviously doing it with intent - they are not lost - they fly down the empty lane at speed, practically drift around the roundabout and cut in. The second has a merge lane and where 99% seem to make use of the local knowledge you refer to where the left lane is the strait on lane - and the right hand lane is for turning into the large supermarket access road.

In other words, one of them I think it is more than simply being cheeky and deliberately inconsiderate to others - and the other it is courtesy of local knowledge - where the traffic is usually queueing and most locals simply wouldn't make use of the right hand lane to go strait because, while totally legal, it does simply amount to queue jumping.


Edited by torx_whisperer on Tuesday 21st January 09:46

nonsequitur

20,083 posts

115 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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Sn1ckers said:
I have a simple rule when it comes to situations like this; would I do it if it were people standing in a queue rather than sitting in a car? If there’s a long queue of people would you walk down the outside of them and try to push in near the front? I suspect for almost everyone the answer is no so why do it in a car apart from because you feel safe and anonymous inside your metal box?
Sorry, not a good example. but:
Nail and head,
We are safe and secure in our cars but vulnerable in a queue.

nonsequitur

20,083 posts

115 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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WarrenB said:
Graveworm said:
Driving without reasonable consideration for other users.
misuse of any lane to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers;[/b]
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Would this apply to that good old PH chestnut, merge in turn? When drivers charge up the 'empty' lane and dive in just before the lane closes.




markyb_lcy

9,904 posts

61 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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“Merge in turn” and charging up an empty lane to dive in at the last minute ... those are two entirely different things.

Graveworm

8,476 posts

70 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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nonsequitur said:
Would this apply to that good old PH chestnut, merge in turn? When drivers charge up the 'empty' lane and dive in just before the lane closes.
Tin opener for those worms? Well the FPN guidance also says cutting into an established queue... I have only heard of it being used like that on the A3 northbound but that's not merge in turn as it is 3 lanes into 2 (So not currently merge in turn as per TSRGD TSM D6.23.3 and it has an "1014" arrow which doesn't indicate merge in turn as per Highways England. I doubt anyone would be troubled if its an arguable merge in turn as per ALL the requirements of the highway code TSM guidance etc.

Hol

8,358 posts

199 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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nonsequitur said:
WarrenB said:
Graveworm said:
Driving without reasonable consideration for other users.
misuse of any lane to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers;
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Would this apply to that good old PH chestnut, merge in turn? When drivers charge up the 'empty' lane and dive in just before the lane closes.
Neither of the lanes closes in a STATIC merger point, that's why its called a merge (and not a closed lane in the description). You can spot them easily, as the official dotted line between the lanes ends at the exact point where they become a single lane and the merge is supposed to happen.


The only reason the left lane usually straight lines and the right doglegs, is because that is invariably where the kerbside/footpath is, if it was always designed like the picture below I am sure many some people wouldn't get it so wrong,



BTW. I don't condone people driving at excessive speed and pulling in at the last second and NOT speed matching the gap next to them, but I also don't condone other people choosing to act like road captains and deciding that nobody should use both lanes for the entire length as designed by the planners, because THEY decided how mergers should work instead.




nonsequitur

20,083 posts

115 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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markyb_lcy said:
“Merge in turn” and charging up an empty lane to dive in at the last minute ... those are two entirely different things.
' Misuse of any lane to avoid queuing.....etc' is the rule.

nonsequitur

20,083 posts

115 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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Hol said:
nonsequitur said:
WarrenB said:
Graveworm said:
Driving without reasonable consideration for other users.
misuse of any lane to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers;
.

Would this apply to that good old PH chestnut, merge in turn? When drivers charge up the 'empty' lane and dive in just before the lane closes.
Neither of the lanes closes in a STATIC merger point, that's why its called a merge (and not a closed lane in the description). You can spot them easily, as the official dotted line between the lanes ends at the exact point where they become a single lane and the merge is supposed to happen.


The only reason the left lane usually straight lines and the right doglegs, is because that is invariably where the kerbside/footpath is, if it was always designed like the picture below I am sure many some people wouldn't get it so wrong,



BTW. I don't condone people driving at excessive speed and pulling in at the last second and NOT speed matching the gap next to them, but I also don't condone other people choosing to act like road captains and deciding that nobody should use both lanes for the entire length as designed by the planners, because THEY decided how mergers should work instead.
All I asked is whether the rule quoted, misuse of any lane for advantage etc, can be applied to merge in turn in the circumstance I described.

Triumph Man

8,670 posts

167 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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nonsequitur said:
Hol said:
nonsequitur said:
WarrenB said:
Graveworm said:
Driving without reasonable consideration for other users.
misuse of any lane to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers;
.

Would this apply to that good old PH chestnut, merge in turn? When drivers charge up the 'empty' lane and dive in just before the lane closes.
Neither of the lanes closes in a STATIC merger point, that's why its called a merge (and not a closed lane in the description). You can spot them easily, as the official dotted line between the lanes ends at the exact point where they become a single lane and the merge is supposed to happen.


The only reason the left lane usually straight lines and the right doglegs, is because that is invariably where the kerbside/footpath is, if it was always designed like the picture below I am sure many some people wouldn't get it so wrong,



BTW. I don't condone people driving at excessive speed and pulling in at the last second and NOT speed matching the gap next to them, but I also don't condone other people choosing to act like road captains and deciding that nobody should use both lanes for the entire length as designed by the planners, because THEY decided how mergers should work instead.
All I asked is whether the rule quoted, misuse of any lane for advantage etc, can be applied to merge in turn in the circumstance I described.
They have merges as pictured above in Australia, and they seem to work well (from what I saw anyway)

Also sick and tired of the nobcheeses who pull into the outside lane and then stop. WTF are they achieving? I'm not the type to barrel down the outside lane, I will go steadily, but honestly! Had one on the Warminster bypass recently, driving a 206CC...

Hol

8,358 posts

199 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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nonsequitur said:
markyb_lcy said:
“Merge in turn” and charging up an empty lane to dive in at the last minute ... those are two entirely different things.
' Misuse of any lane to avoid queuing.....etc' is the rule.
Any lane? Such as a dual carriageway?

It isn't misuse when the road layout is specifically designed to have a queue in both lanes and a merge at the end Its the correct use and they have gained no unfair advantage,

However, the people who have decided that the point of merger should be xyx meters or mile earlier have consciously disadvantage themselves.



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markyb_lcy

9,904 posts

61 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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Hol said:
Any lane? Such as a dual carriageway?

It isn't misuse when the road layout is specifically designed to have a queue in both lanes and a merge at the end Its the correct use and they have gained no unfair advantage,

However, the people who have decided that the point of merger should be xyx meters or mile earlier have consciously disadvantage themselves.
Yep, and they're the ones most likely to be upset about it IMO. What they're really upset about is not some perceived "misuse" of a lane, but the fact that they didn't do it.

I actually have no issue with people "gaining an advantage" if they do it safely and reasonably. By leaving something to the last minute (safely), they are taking some risk they won't be let in by anyone and get stuck in no-mans-land waiting for everyone to pass. That's their risk to take. When they pull it off, more often than not, I see it as enterprising.

I think a lot of drivers just need to chill out. If they're not on-the-ball or enterprising enough to gain said advantage, they should just accept it and worry about something that maybe affects their life more than taking an extra 30s to get off a road / navigate a junction etc.

That aside, there are pricks out there who force their way in and take dangerous manoeuvres. Those people should be rightly called out as such, but let's not lump everyone in with them who has a bit of nouse about them.

nonsequitur

20,083 posts

115 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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Hol said:
nonsequitur said:
markyb_lcy said:
“Merge in turn” and charging up an empty lane to dive in at the last minute ... those are two entirely different things.
' Misuse of any lane to avoid queuing.....etc' is the rule.
Any lane? Such as a dual carriageway?

It isn't misuse when the road layout is specifically designed to have a queue in both lanes and a merge at the end Its the correct use and they have gained no unfair advantage,

However, the people who have decided that the point of merger should be xyx meters or mile earlier have consciously disadvantage themselves.



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I'm sure that the quoted rule was not meant for DC.
I gave an example of using a lane and a RAB to gain ground over other vehicles. A fellow PHer then pointed out that this could be an illegal move.
That's all.nono

Solocle

3,247 posts

83 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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I nominate my sat nav for trying to take me down this road.

nonsequitur

20,083 posts

115 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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Solocle said:
I nominate my sat nav for trying to take me down this road.
With your bike you can go down any damn road you please.hehe

Solocle

3,247 posts

83 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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nonsequitur said:
With your bike you can go down any damn road you please.hehe
It even had what looked to be the widest bike lane in Oxfordshire! hehe

lyonspride

2,978 posts

154 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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Absolute bellend this morning, who instead of just carrying on at the same speed, or pulling into the empty lane 2, decided to close the gap I was lined up for just as the slip road was coming to an end, accelerates up into my blind spot and leans on the horn, I then run out of road and nearly end up on the grass........ And for what? Utterly f**king pointless seeing as I then tuck in behind and immediately overtake the idiot, who incidentally was dithering about in dull/misty conditions with only his bloody side lights on.

It wasn't even some boy racer or German car driver, it was a Nissan Note...........

MKnight702

3,096 posts

213 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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lyonspride said:
it was a Nissan Note...........
Well what did you expect? These are second only to the Honda Jazz in being operated by idiots and only just ahead of the Juke.

carlove

7,538 posts

166 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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MKnight702 said:
Well what did you expect? These are second only to the Honda Jazz in being operated by idiots and only just ahead of the Juke.
I thought the same. Car of choice for chip on shoulder, ignorant ahole. I bet they had a dash cam.

Rawwr

22,722 posts

233 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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A particular annoyance is the Brampton Hut roundabout (A1/A14) at the moment. Due to ongoing works...

1. On the way to work, lots of traffic queues in the right-hand lane to take exit 3 or 4. Barely any traffic at all in the left-hand lane for exit 1 or 2. The amount of people who get bored of the queue for exit 3 or 4 and decide to turn right from lane 1 is staggering. This results in lots of beeping of horns as people try to shoehorn their way into the proper lane.

2. On the way home from work, lots of traffic queues in the left-hand lane to take exit 1 or 2. Barely any traffic in lane 2 for exit 2 or 3. I can't believe the amount of people who turn left from lane 2, naturally with the expected levels of beeping and hand gestures from the people they've cut up. What's worse is people leave the queue to drive to the front of it, thus making the queue move less quickly, thus making more people leave the queue to drive to the front of it. Last night, two HGVs turned left from the right-hand lane, which seized the roundabout on both occasions, resulting in the queue not moving for 4 cycles of the lights.

I can't understand the mindset of a driver that impatient, conceited and arrogant to do that.
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