One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 4
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silverfoxcc said:
Me a few weeks ago..
Town has several 'egg timer' chicanes with good signs who gives way to who. I pass three on my way to my lads ,but this day had a brain fart and decided that despite the sign saying Give Way, i just carried on with the guy in the Range rover who had ROW looking at me as though i had an IQ of 7..which IMHO at that moment was overestimating it.
It can happen, luckily nothing of consequence, except Mrs Fox bending my left ear for the rest of the journey. Suitably chastened
I did this yesterday. What a tit.Town has several 'egg timer' chicanes with good signs who gives way to who. I pass three on my way to my lads ,but this day had a brain fart and decided that despite the sign saying Give Way, i just carried on with the guy in the Range rover who had ROW looking at me as though i had an IQ of 7..which IMHO at that moment was overestimating it.
It can happen, luckily nothing of consequence, except Mrs Fox bending my left ear for the rest of the journey. Suitably chastened
LunarOne said:
I don't remember being taught that, but then I learnt to drive nearly 30 years ago. My most recent car (I can't call it new since it's a 2014 model) has automatic lights but not wipers. If you put the wipers on, then it puts the lights on too, but only in certain circumstances which I haven't figured out yet. The manual doesn't mention what those circumstances are - it just says that the lights will come on. I suspect it has to do with how bright it is outside. If it's very bright then the lights won't come on, but if it's grey and miserable outside, then they will. Or at least it seems that way. My previous car new in 2001 had auto wipers but not auto lights. I can't understand why both aren't standard these days!
Mine has auto lights and wipers (a 2017 Astra), they come on after about 5 wipes regardless of visibility, I've used the washers twice in a row as first time didn't clear enough, and the lights came on (that's while set to auto, doesn't happen if I use washers twice with the auto wipers off). I have driven cars where the auto lights didn't come on with the wipers (Japanese & Korean cars seem to be the worst), now at this point this evening any car with auto lights should have come on, it was really getting dark. My Astra is actually my first car with auto lights, I didn't trust them at first, but they're actually very good, driven a few different hire cars, 99% having auto lights, and I do think the Astra has the best system I've used, it always seems to be one of the first cars with lights on (along with other Astras).
I agree with Blown2CV, for most people when you see somebody with no lights in poor visibility, that's when you learn to put your lights on, most learning of course is when you're out on the road alone. My instructor always taught me to put the lights on if I use my wipers, and that's always stuck with me. I did pass my test in 2013, so perhaps slightly more recently.
Toaster Pilot said:
I've driven many, many cars with auto lights, they don't come on just because it's raining in any of them
Of course if it's properly dull they will.
My auto lights don't illuminate when I would normally switch on. It has to be quite dusky / darkish. They are a factory setting, and do not operate in even heavy rain. (Honda Jazz).Of course if it's properly dull they will.
carlove said:
Driving home this evening at about 8pm, so starting to get dark and absolutely pissing with rain. I'm on a 60mph A road and behind a driving instructor (no pupil) with no lights on. There was the odd moron with no lights as expected, but to see a driving instructor is ridiculous.
It was a fairly new Hyundai i30 so one would assume it would have auto lights. My autolights had been on from being dark for at least half an hour. Perhaps he's a driving instructor so doesn't need the car to tell him when the lights need to be on.
No wonder we have so many drivers who drive with no lights on in dusk, rain, fog etc when driving instructors don't even do it. I get the feeling most instructors teach people how to pass the test rather than how to be a safe driver.
I had two instructors, the first was very much teaching how to pass the test, the second was teaching me to be a safe driver, plus he was actually nice to me, and patient, and didn't spend two hours doing most of the driving while complaining about his job, and how much he hated immigrants.
I car share with somebody (before Covid) who was taking lessons at the time, it was raining and my lights came on (auto lights, they come on after about 5 wipes), and she asked whether lights were needed, I told her I was always taught "wipers on, lights on", turns out her instructor didn't tell her lights needed to be on in the rain, she had no idea. I couldn't tell her when to check each mirror during a manoeuvre and pass a test, but I bet I could make her a safer driver.
I think new drivers must be taught to brake instead of changing down when slowing for sharp bends, turning left / right etc. I would say that a combination of gear / brake is the surest method.It was a fairly new Hyundai i30 so one would assume it would have auto lights. My autolights had been on from being dark for at least half an hour. Perhaps he's a driving instructor so doesn't need the car to tell him when the lights need to be on.
No wonder we have so many drivers who drive with no lights on in dusk, rain, fog etc when driving instructors don't even do it. I get the feeling most instructors teach people how to pass the test rather than how to be a safe driver.
I had two instructors, the first was very much teaching how to pass the test, the second was teaching me to be a safe driver, plus he was actually nice to me, and patient, and didn't spend two hours doing most of the driving while complaining about his job, and how much he hated immigrants.
I car share with somebody (before Covid) who was taking lessons at the time, it was raining and my lights came on (auto lights, they come on after about 5 wipes), and she asked whether lights were needed, I told her I was always taught "wipers on, lights on", turns out her instructor didn't tell her lights needed to be on in the rain, she had no idea. I couldn't tell her when to check each mirror during a manoeuvre and pass a test, but I bet I could make her a safer driver.
carlove said:
Driving home this evening at about 8pm, so starting to get dark and absolutely pissing with rain. I'm on a 60mph A road and behind a driving instructor (no pupil) with no lights on. There was the odd moron with no lights as expected, but to see a driving instructor is ridiculous.
It was a fairly new Hyundai i30 so one would assume it would have auto lights. My autolights had been on from being dark for at least half an hour. Perhaps he's a driving instructor so doesn't need the car to tell him when the lights need to be on.
No wonder we have so many drivers who drive with no lights on in dusk, rain, fog etc when driving instructors don't even do it. I get the feeling most instructors teach people how to pass the test rather than how to be a safe driver.
I'd bet you a tenner he's some pompous prick who "doesn't believe in auto lights and all this rubbish, I know when to turn my own lights on!" so turned the autolights off. He's probably on PH moaning about how modern cars basically drive themselves with all this assistance nonsense It was a fairly new Hyundai i30 so one would assume it would have auto lights. My autolights had been on from being dark for at least half an hour. Perhaps he's a driving instructor so doesn't need the car to tell him when the lights need to be on.
No wonder we have so many drivers who drive with no lights on in dusk, rain, fog etc when driving instructors don't even do it. I get the feeling most instructors teach people how to pass the test rather than how to be a safe driver.
Having the car turn it's lights on and off when it's dark is so obvious and straightforward with networked electronics there is absolutley no reason not to use them. You always get the odd poster saying "what if they SUDDENLY TURN ON as you approach a junction and someone thinks you're flashing them out and drives into you!" but that's just b
ks.stickleback123 said:
I'd bet you a tenner he's some pompous prick who "doesn't believe in auto lights and all this rubbish, I know when to turn my own lights on!" so turned the autolights off. He's probably on PH moaning about how modern cars basically drive themselves with all this assistance nonsense
Having the car turn it's lights on and off when it's dark is so obvious and straightforward with networked electronics there is absolutley no reason not to use them. You always get the odd poster saying "what if they SUDDENLY TURN ON as you approach a junction and someone thinks you're flashing them out and drives into you!" but that's just bks.
That’s exactly what I thought. That always makes me laugh, I’ve been driving a car with auto lights for two years and about 50k miles, they’ve never suddenly come on and somebody thinks I’m flashing them out, it’s not a flashy light. Having the car turn it's lights on and off when it's dark is so obvious and straightforward with networked electronics there is absolutley no reason not to use them. You always get the odd poster saying "what if they SUDDENLY TURN ON as you approach a junction and someone thinks you're flashing them out and drives into you!" but that's just b
ks.Funnily enough, last week a Mercedes was coming the other way as I was waiting to turn right across it’s path, the dipped beams came on suddenly, despite bright LED lights I could clearly tell it was dipped beams coming on not a full beam flash.
nonsequitur said:
I think new drivers must be taught to brake instead of changing down when slowing for sharp bends, turning left / right etc. I would say that a combination of gear / brake is the surest method.
I was taught to slow with brakes rather than gears 30 years ago, how old are you?otolith said:
nonsequitur said:
I think new drivers must be taught to brake instead of changing down when slowing for sharp bends, turning left / right etc. I would say that a combination of gear / brake is the surest method.
I was taught to slow with brakes rather than gears 30 years ago, how old are you?I rarely if ever slowed down via the gearbox with a manual car though, and once I was old enough to buy my own cars it was automatics all the way for me, I’d never look twice at a manual, even now.
carlove said:
stickleback123 said:
I'd bet you a tenner he's some pompous prick who "doesn't believe in auto lights and all this rubbish, I know when to turn my own lights on!" so turned the autolights off. He's probably on PH moaning about how modern cars basically drive themselves with all this assistance nonsense
Having the car turn it's lights on and off when it's dark is so obvious and straightforward with networked electronics there is absolutley no reason not to use them. You always get the odd poster saying "what if they SUDDENLY TURN ON as you approach a junction and someone thinks you're flashing them out and drives into you!" but that's just bks.
That’s exactly what I thought. That always makes me laugh, I’ve been driving a car with auto lights for two years and about 50k miles, they’ve never suddenly come on and somebody thinks I’m flashing them out, it’s not a flashy light. Having the car turn it's lights on and off when it's dark is so obvious and straightforward with networked electronics there is absolutley no reason not to use them. You always get the odd poster saying "what if they SUDDENLY TURN ON as you approach a junction and someone thinks you're flashing them out and drives into you!" but that's just b
ks.Funnily enough, last week a Mercedes was coming the other way as I was waiting to turn right across it’s path, the dipped beams came on suddenly, despite bright LED lights I could clearly tell it was dipped beams coming on not a full beam flash.
The only reason, apart from her being drunk, was that my lights came on and she thought I was flashing her - it was an overcast day so possible.
Castrol for a knave said:
I once had a car turn right in front of me, I managed to brake but it was gnat's cock between me and her nearside wing.
The only reason, apart from her being drunk, was that my lights came on and she thought I was flashing her - it was an overcast day so possible.
A flash of the lights and lights being switched on are two very different things though, anyone who can't distinguish from a light switching on and a light flashing is probably a menace on the roads for a thousand other reasons, and just moving off because you were flashed without paying any attention to the movement of the other car is cretinous anyway.The only reason, apart from her being drunk, was that my lights came on and she thought I was flashing her - it was an overcast day so possible.
I think in your case it happened because she was a crap driver and an idiot.
otolith said:
nonsequitur said:
I think new drivers must be taught to brake instead of changing down when slowing for sharp bends, turning left / right etc. I would say that a combination of gear / brake is the surest method.
I was taught to slow with brakes rather than gears 30 years ago, how old are you?Changing down was preferred yonks ago when cars had crap brakes and you needed some assistance through engine braking to supplement the brakes. With modern brakes this is no longer required.
For the scenarios you have listed follow IAM - get speed right through braking or lifting off the gas then select appropriate gear for the speed.
over_the_hill said:
Gears to Go, Brakes to Slow
Changing down was preferred yonks ago when cars had crap brakes and you needed some assistance through engine braking to supplement the brakes. With modern brakes this is no longer required.
For the scenarios you have listed follow IAM - get speed right through braking or lifting off the gas then select appropriate gear for the speed.
Oh, if AIM do it, then it’s irrefutable. Changing down was preferred yonks ago when cars had crap brakes and you needed some assistance through engine braking to supplement the brakes. With modern brakes this is no longer required.
For the scenarios you have listed follow IAM - get speed right through braking or lifting off the gas then select appropriate gear for the speed.
I use the engine to slow me down all the time.
Since being shown, I always have, and always will.
smoooooth...otolith said:
nonsequitur said:
I think new drivers must be taught to brake instead of changing down when slowing for sharp bends, turning left / right etc. I would say that a combination of gear / brake is the surest method.
I was taught to slow with brakes rather than gears 30 years ago, how old are you?
And I'm not saying that I brake / gear for every situation. Some just require light pressure on the pedal.over_the_hill said:
Gears to Go, Brakes to Slow
Changing down was preferred yonks ago when cars had crap brakes and you needed some assistance through engine braking to supplement the brakes. With modern brakes this is no longer required.
For the scenarios you have listed follow IAM - get speed right through braking or lifting off the gas then select appropriate gear for the speed.
Sounds like the same to me. Brake / gear?Changing down was preferred yonks ago when cars had crap brakes and you needed some assistance through engine braking to supplement the brakes. With modern brakes this is no longer required.
For the scenarios you have listed follow IAM - get speed right through braking or lifting off the gas then select appropriate gear for the speed.
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