RE: Audi Q7 V12 TDI: PH Heroes

RE: Audi Q7 V12 TDI: PH Heroes

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Diesel Meister

2,044 posts

200 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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I can't usually stand diesel engines in my road cars (fine for mega mile haulage but generally not nice to use in my opinion), nor do I like Q7s, but this gets a pass purely for being utterly ridiculous. Over-engined is clearly not a phrase VAG understands. 5.5 to 60 in a house. Jaysus.

I still like the idea of a sports car plus fast saloon plus pre-98 defender combo. Forced to have one high-rise 4x4 for all purposes, it would still likely be a FFRR. I don't get "sporty" utility vehicles. That's for Paris-Dakar surely?

big_rob_sydney

3,394 posts

193 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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Kind of strange for people to be remarking on its "performance". 0-60 in 5.5 is nothing to get excited about. For something around £150k, I would expect a hell of a lot better than that.

gigglebug

2,611 posts

121 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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samoht said:
A used Q7 seems to offer all the running costs of a serious performance car, combined with none of the fun.
How are you defining serious performance car? You haven't given an example to compare to.

DanielSan

18,747 posts

166 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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Oakman said:
Would that engine fit in a T5 - T6 Transporter........?
Anything can fit if you have enough time and/or money

alorotom

11,908 posts

186 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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I love my Q7 and there was not a single used V12 for sale in the UK when I bought mine as that’s what I actually wanted and set out to buy but after 6weeks searching and the impending failure of my A6 needs must and I went for the 4.2 V8 instead

I still love it now but have been tempted with replacing it with the V12 next year - although there is currently 1 on AT which could tempt me sooner smile

0a

23,879 posts

193 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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So, what will it chip to?

rayyan171

1,294 posts

92 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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0a said:
So, what will it chip to?
1000hp, obviously.

don logan

3,511 posts

221 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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rayyan171 said:
0a said:
So, what will it chip to?
1000hp, obviously.
And 2000ft/lbs

Loyly

17,990 posts

158 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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samoht said:
A used Q7 seems to offer all the running costs of a serious performance car, combined with none of the fun.
Here here. A serious luxury motor though, and much like the V10 TDi that graced the Touareg, a seriously cool bit of kit. Never mind the guys who say that diesel cars aren't luxurious by their nature, I used to peddle that line myself.

The running costs though, fak me. I still look at the V10 Touareg but the Q7 is another step up again.

Loyly

17,990 posts

158 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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big_rob_sydney said:
Kind of strange for people to be remarking on its "performance". 0-60 in 5.5 is nothing to get excited about. For something around £150k, I would expect a hell of a lot better than that.
For something nigh on three tonne dry, with the aerodynamics of a brick, give it a fking break. I bet the roll-on power is even more lurid.

BIRMA

3,803 posts

193 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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Fantastic, didn't know they existed in V12 diesel form, but wish I had. My Phaeton has a V10 twin turbo diesel and that has superb low down torque/grunt but this must be another step up. Long live such engines.

peter450

1,650 posts

232 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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The engine clearly makes good performance but from the sounds of it, does it in a very drone like manner. Its almost like the appeal is its a V12 even though a petrol V12, V8 sounds like it would be way more fun. That leaves the performance I guess but going fast is only as fun as the experiance makes it, and diesels are hard renowned for being charasmatic engines. I've not driven one but it sounds like all go an no show on the engine front.

samoht

5,633 posts

145 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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gigglebug said:
How are you defining serious performance car? You haven't given an example to compare to.
997 Turbo, R35 GTR, R8 V10, that sort of thing.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

166 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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Even an automotive type diesel of that size would surely be very heavy, even in a big SUV, would it not.

The torque figure is a bit meh really, nothing special from what I can see for a diesel engine of that size and really puny for a diesel of that amount of power.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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That period 10-15 years ago where VAG were releasing interesting powerplants like this, the V10 diesel, V10, W12 and W8 petrol engines, narrow angle VR6s , and then putting them in wildly inappropriate cars seems almost impossible to believe happened now.

As much as this was seemingly driven by the hubris of one man, it's hard for an enthusiast not to be sad that time has passed now that the answer to almost every "what powerplant" question at every single manufacturer seems to be a 2 litre four pot burning your choice of diesel or petrol, with a market appropriate map applied. I doubt very much if anyone will ever put a V12 diesel engine in a road car ever again hehe

GM182

1,263 posts

224 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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Driving up the autobahn with the family snoozing and our Q7 loaded to the gunnels with Christmas presents and skiing kit we were overtaken by a Bentayga last year. I put my foot down to accelerate from about 100mph to 110/115 to keep up and have a look at the Bentayga and our Q7 with the normal 3.0 TDI was a bit lacking in sufficient torque to accelerate briskly over 100mph. That is the only time I can think of in two years ownership when I wanted more grunt. Even if I won the lottery I don't think I would be willing to have paid the thick end of £100k to address that problem...

I really disliked the Q7 before I bowed to wifely pressure but since I've got used to it I'm really happy with it as a family bus. I can't think of anything to replace it with that doesn't cost a shed load more cash. It's main drawback is it's too wide round surburban areas but it is a very relaxing on long journeys, reasonable mpg and with the suspension in dynamic mode it handles twisty small roads pretty well. We compared it to newer iterations of X5 and ML and the Audi interior was just better and noticeably better quality leather. With a budget of £30-35k current Range Rover Sports were way out of budget and the Discovery 4's massive weight put me off.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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Q7 - the sure fire way to easily identify yourself as a particularly cretinous individual on the road. Everyone I have had the misfortune to meet who happened to drive a Q7 has thus far proved to be an appendage of the highest order.

big_rob_sydney

3,394 posts

193 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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Loyly said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Kind of strange for people to be remarking on its "performance". 0-60 in 5.5 is nothing to get excited about. For something around £150k, I would expect a hell of a lot better than that.
For something nigh on three tonne dry, with the aerodynamics of a brick, give it a fking break. I bet the roll-on power is even more lurid.
Give it a fking break? Sorry, but no chance.

If anything, I'd give it a fking diet. Seriously, look at your own words; this thing could lose a tonne, and still be a fat arse.

A TONNE!

And why on earth put up with the aerodynamics of a brick? That's just stupid.

Glasgowrob

3,232 posts

120 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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0a said:
So, what will it chip to?
flash mapping will see 560bhp and 840 lbs/ft of torque,


stage 2 from the likes of B & B is 600 bhp and 930 lbs/ft of torque.



utterly bonkers things thing is the facelift model is 5.2 seconds to 60 and it will happily tow 3 tons, I would wage it will still most things off the line and certainly from a rolling start whilst towing said 3 tons

GIYess

1,311 posts

100 months

Monday 6th November 2017
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I think I'm in love! What a monster!