RE: Porsche 911 GT2 RS: Driven

[Durzel]

Quickmoose said:

TooMany2cvs said:

stradman said:

Its amazing how many haters there are on this thread. C'mon guys its a track tool

No, it's an investment product.

It isn't a track tool, bought by investors?

It's a track weapon in the sense that a 1811 Chateau D'Yquem is a bottle of wine you could drink.

[hornbaek]

I think it looks quite immense. Not on my wish list - GT2s never have been - but congratulations to those who are and let us hear how you fare with the car.

[ChocolateFrog]

I wonder if they miss something losing the widowmaker tag?

I was 13 when the 993 GT2 was released and the sheer lunacy of the thing was most of the appeal.

[WCZ]

will they be making a non rs-gt2 ?

[rtz62]

Pjust come back from the gym, and just have got my ‘grumpy caveman’ head on, but for some reason I feel rage about this.
Whilst appreciate the engineering excellence of Porsche in bringing such a model to fruition, the whole article becomes pointless.
Why?
Well let’s face it, the number of us on PH that will actually be able to afford one is minuscule.
Couple of years time and technically I’ll be in a position to walk into an OPC and order one.
Thing is, I’ve never owned a Porsche before and short of bribing the head salesman with £££££ my chances of ownership are about the same as me waking up next to Shania Twain.
Nothing will make me pay over the odds for one, and I’d surmise that those who do won’t care one umlaut wether the car is good, great or stupendous.
Guess I’ll turn my inner caveman towards the article on the Japanese Domestic Msrket Civic Type R’s; at least I won’t have to be someone’s bh to buy one....

[rob333day]

oh look yet ANOTHER porsche your average supercar DRIVER cant order ... oh well, guess another car will end up in some old dusty garage never to see the light of day just waiting to double or tripple in value ...

[cardigankid]

Not interested Matt. Porsche wouldn’t sell me one if I asked, nor a GT4 nor a GT3. So there’s no point in testing it.

[BrewsterBear]

cardigankid said:

Not interested Matt. Porsche wouldn’t sell me one if I asked, nor a GT4 nor a GT3. So there’s no point in testing it.

Bumps a four month old thread to tell the world he's not interested and as such the car shouldn't be reviewed.

[timberman]

Saw one of these being collected from opc Solihull last thursday,

looked very nice and aggressive sat in the showroom,
then watched some time later as it was driven away by new owner and could still hear it from inside the showroom even after it dissapeared out of sight

[Rawwr]

cardigankid said:

Not interested Matt. Porsche wouldn’t sell me one if I asked, nor a GT4 nor a GT3. So there’s no point in testing it.

If they only posted reviews of cars which everyone on PistonHeads could acquire, I suspect it wouldn't be too long before we all got bored of reading about 1990 vintage Ford Orions.

[TooMany2cvs]

Rawwr said:

If they only posted reviews of cars which everyone on PistonHeads could acquire, I suspect it wouldn't be too long before we all got bored of reading about 1990 vintage Ford Orions.

There's a wider choice of GTwhatevers on the market.

[cardigankid]

I was just commenting on a number of PH car reviews, not particularly trying to bump anything, but I take exception to Porsche supplying cars like GT3's. GT3RS's, GT4's, 911R's etc to journalists who rave about them and put them at the top of their Car of the Year lists, but if you show up at a dealership ready to pay the list price for any of these cars they will tell you to blast off. They will sell one to Shmee or Chris Harris, sure, while you or me are expected to buy a Cayenne or one of their grim turbo pot boilers, which don't have a fraction of what used to make 911's great.

[Rawwr]

cardigankid said:

I was just commenting on a number of PH car reviews, not particularly trying to bump anything, but I take exception to Porsche supplying cars like GT3's. GT3RS's, GT4's, 911R's etc to journalists who rave about them and put them at the top of their Car of the Year lists, but if you show up at a dealership ready to pay the list price for any of these cars they will tell you to blast off. They will sell one to Shmee or Chris Harris, sure, while you or me are expected to buy a Cayenne or one of their grim turbo pot boilers, which don't have a fraction of what used to make 911's great.

And yet none of that is a reason to not review the car.

[Mafffew]

Isn't it mentioned in almost every review, that chances are you'll never get one? I agree with the sentiment, that having to cosy up to a dealer is absurd. But that is a Porsche/dealership issue, not anything to do with car journalism.

Edit - It is also worth pointing out that the majority of all supercar manufacturers are guilty of this.

Edited by Mafffew on Tuesday 13th March 09:16

[Davey S2]

D200 said:

This car is not 200k – it’s probably about 700k in reality if you wanted to actually buy one

JZM Porsche have a brand new one with Weissach Pack at £529K

[cardigankid]

Rawwr said:

cardigankid said:

I was just commenting on a number of PH car reviews, not particularly trying to bump anything, but I take exception to Porsche supplying cars like GT3's. GT3RS's, GT4's, 911R's etc to journalists who rave about them and put them at the top of their Car of the Year lists, but if you show up at a dealership ready to pay the list price for any of these cars they will tell you to blast off. They will sell one to Shmee or Chris Harris, sure, while you or me are expected to buy a Cayenne or one of their grim turbo pot boilers, which don't have a fraction of what used to make 911's great.

And yet none of that is a reason to not review the car.

No, it isn't, but the journalists should make it clear that they are dealing with sports department specials and that they are not available to the ordinary punter. They should not, like Autocar recently did, have a British Sports Car of the Year group test, which lo and behold, the 991.2 GT3 wins, against more honest competition like the McLaren 570S and Aston DB11. As I recall it also had ceramic brakes and probably a special set of competition tyres. To test these cars in an open competition against vehicles you can buy is just fraudulent advertising by Porsche, and journalists indulging themselves rather than doing their job, which in the immediate post-Clarkson era is a general problem.

Once a car gets to a price level I couldn't conceivably afford, I totally lose interest in reading road tests, and now that I think of it I haven't read tests of the McLaren P1, Porsche 918, and of the GT cars, Bugatti Veyron or Chiron. When I was a boy I read all the Aston Martin road tests. I grew up, and one day I bought one. There's a difference.

[Rawwr]

cardigankid said:

No, it isn't, but the journalists should make it clear that they are dealing with sports department specials and that they are not available to the ordinary punter. They should not, like Autocar recently did, have a British Sports Car of the Year group test, which lo and behold, the 991.2 GT3 wins, against more honest competition like the McLaren 570S and Aston DB11. As I recall it also had ceramic brakes and probably a special set of competition tyres. To test these cars in an open competition against vehicles you can buy is just fraudulent advertising by Porsche, and journalists indulging themselves rather than doing their job, which in the immediate post-Clarkson era is a general problem.

Once a car gets to a price level I couldn't conceivably afford, I totally lose interest in reading road tests, and now that I think of it I haven't read tests of the McLaren P1, Porsche 918, and of the GT cars, Bugatti Veyron or Chiron. When I was a boy I read all the Aston Martin road tests. I grew up, and one day I bought one. There's a difference.

It's still not quite the same though. It's not as if though a 991.2 GT3 is impossible to get hold of, it'll just have been bumraped by speculators, which isn't really the fault of the manufacturer.

[av185]

cardigankid said:

They should not, like Autocar recently did, have a British Sports Car of the Year group test, which lo and behold, the 991.2 GT3 wins, against more honest competition like the McLaren 570S and Aston DB11. As I recall it also had ceramic brakes and probably a special set of competition tyres.

Most gen 2 GT3s are specced with ceramics due to much less unsprung weight v steel brakes.

As for the tyres Michelin developed a stickier Pilot sport cup 2 specifically for the car and most European cars have these as standard. Which tyres are you referring to?

Unlike Ferrari, Porsche don't need to bend the rules to enhance performance figures of their GT cars which are always conservative. Their cars are rapid enough anyway.

[cardigankid]

Agreed. The manufacturer should charge the proper price for it and make it available to anyone prepared to sign a sufficiently intimidating finance agreement. Instead of which they use it as a high profile halo product to convince everyone that Porsche is the best at everything. I never mentioned Ferrari. The last Ferrari that appealed to me was the Dino 246GT, once Magnum PI came on I could never take them seriously again, and still can't. Anyone driving any kind of Ferrari always without exception looks like a complete tool. As for driving a California, or a Portofino or whatever they call it. Genuinely, I can't keep a straight face.

[Rawwr]

cardigankid said:

Agreed. The manufacturer should charge the proper price for it and make it available to anyone prepared to sign a sufficiently intimidating finance agreement. Instead of which they use it as a high profile halo product to convince everyone that Porsche is the best at everything. I never mentioned Ferrari. The last Ferrari that appealed to me was the Dino 246GT, once Magnum PI came on I could never take them seriously again, and still can't. Anyone driving any kind of Ferrari always without exception looks like a complete tool. As for driving a California, or a Portofino or whatever they call it. Genuinely, I can't keep a straight face.

Strange post.