RE: BMW M3 CS specs announced
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That's stepping awfully close to Panamera money, which as awesome as BMW are even non petrol heads will be "Oooh, nice!"
Agreed the M3 can't be mistaken for a 320D but that's a lot of cash. Maybe I'm nuts but if I was dropping 85K on a 4 door sports saloon i'd up the ante and go Panamera S safe in the knowledge that the uninitiated won't be thinking 320D pah....
But then again, I'm clearly nuts
Agreed the M3 can't be mistaken for a 320D but that's a lot of cash. Maybe I'm nuts but if I was dropping 85K on a 4 door sports saloon i'd up the ante and go Panamera S safe in the knowledge that the uninitiated won't be thinking 320D pah....
But then again, I'm clearly nuts
culpz said:
It looks epic and clearly goes epic too. 3.9 seconds to 60 just sounds bonkers to me. I'm just not convinced it's as epic for the premium it commands over the CP version. In fact, just a standard M3/M4 would do me, at an even lower cost.
3.9 is the benchmark for all cars in this sector. The M3 is the last to break the 4 second mark. Bonkers indeed, especially when you consider this, the Alfa and the Merc don't have the RS5's AWD for off the line traction!Ares said:
culpz said:
It looks epic and clearly goes epic too. 3.9 seconds to 60 just sounds bonkers to me. I'm just not convinced it's as epic for the premium it commands over the CP version. In fact, just a standard M3/M4 would do me, at an even lower cost.
3.9 is the benchmark for all cars in this sector. The M3 is the last to break the 4 second mark. Bonkers indeed, especially when you consider this, the Alfa and the Merc don't have the RS5's AWD for off the line traction!I never really got the hate for the F80 M3/M4 in the first place. It's probably my first pick when my lottery numbers come up.
culpz said:
Ares said:
culpz said:
It looks epic and clearly goes epic too. 3.9 seconds to 60 just sounds bonkers to me. I'm just not convinced it's as epic for the premium it commands over the CP version. In fact, just a standard M3/M4 would do me, at an even lower cost.
3.9 is the benchmark for all cars in this sector. The M3 is the last to break the 4 second mark. Bonkers indeed, especially when you consider this, the Alfa and the Merc don't have the RS5's AWD for off the line traction!I never really got the hate for the F80 M3/M4 in the first place. It's probably my first pick when my lottery numbers come up.
Ares said:
culpz said:
It looks epic and clearly goes epic too. 3.9 seconds to 60 just sounds bonkers to me. I'm just not convinced it's as epic for the premium it commands over the CP version. In fact, just a standard M3/M4 would do me, at an even lower cost.
3.9 is the benchmark for all cars in this sector. The M3 is the last to break the 4 second mark. Bonkers indeed, especially when you consider this, the Alfa and the Merc don't have the RS5's AWD for off the line traction!But it's a moot point as no M3CP has been tested as quicker than the standard car in the US whose best test was 3.8 to 60 mph for both (they tend to get the best times in warm California) such small amounts of difference in power in a traction limited car will mean the driver and road/weather conditions will have more effect than adding a few horses, the same car on a different day will yield differing results or even the same car on the same day but with a different driver will change the result.
As an example I couldn't get near my 0-60 time achieved in my 335d xdrive in either my F10 M5 or F80 M3, so it may well be a bench mark as you say but it's pretty irrelevant in RWD cars like these and if that bench mark matters then the RS5 is the better bet.
Wills2 said:
Ares said:
culpz said:
It looks epic and clearly goes epic too. 3.9 seconds to 60 just sounds bonkers to me. I'm just not convinced it's as epic for the premium it commands over the CP version. In fact, just a standard M3/M4 would do me, at an even lower cost.
3.9 is the benchmark for all cars in this sector. The M3 is the last to break the 4 second mark. Bonkers indeed, especially when you consider this, the Alfa and the Merc don't have the RS5's AWD for off the line traction!But it's a moot point as no M3CP has been tested as quicker than the standard car in the US whose best test was 3.8 to 60 mph for both (they tend to get the best times in warm California) such small amounts of difference in power in a traction limited car will mean the driver and road/weather conditions will have more effect than adding a few horses, the same car on a different day will yield differing results or even the same car on the same day but with a different driver will change the result.
As an example I couldn't get near my 0-60 time achieved in my 335d xdrive in either my F10 M5 or F80 M3, so it may well be a bench mark as you say but it's pretty irrelevant in RWD cars like these and if that bench mark matters then the RS5 is the better bet.
....but as you say, away from Top Trumps and bar room bragging rights, it's a fairly pointless measure.
Ares said:
culpz said:
Ares said:
culpz said:
It looks epic and clearly goes epic too. 3.9 seconds to 60 just sounds bonkers to me. I'm just not convinced it's as epic for the premium it commands over the CP version. In fact, just a standard M3/M4 would do me, at an even lower cost.
3.9 is the benchmark for all cars in this sector. The M3 is the last to break the 4 second mark. Bonkers indeed, especially when you consider this, the Alfa and the Merc don't have the RS5's AWD for off the line traction!I never really got the hate for the F80 M3/M4 in the first place. It's probably my first pick when my lottery numbers come up.
What swayed it for you?
Wills2 said:
In the US where they measure 0-60 mph not 0-62 mph the official figures for the DCT are 3.9/3.8/3.7 (standard/CP/CS)
The yanks allow a slight rolling start when measuring 0-60 though, so it doesn't really start from zero so their "0-60" times are always quicker. It's mental.Wills2 said:
You won't see the new m3 until 2020.
Doesn't really matter- I would think very carefully before spending £85k on an M3 that is based on a nearly obsolete model. Appreciate not everyone thinks like I do, however the pace of change in features and kit is so fast that the current 1 and 3 already feel very old compared to the new models BMW are bringing out.On the basis above I was on my limit buying mine earlier this year, and the Alfa was too much of an unknown to be my DD. The Merc, despite the amazing engine, just doesn't appeal.
So in the press photos I'm seeing some full fat front seats & the full
Monty professional navigation all present and correct.
But then I look closely & see the dual zone climate has been deleted
In favour or a simpler analogue system.
Saving weight, saving money or looking more purposeful ?
Please, this is a road car.
Just seems to sum up the confused nature of this beast.
Monty professional navigation all present and correct.
But then I look closely & see the dual zone climate has been deleted
In favour or a simpler analogue system.
Saving weight, saving money or looking more purposeful ?
Please, this is a road car.
Just seems to sum up the confused nature of this beast.
3795mpower said:
So in the press photos I'm seeing some full fat front seats & the full
Monty professional navigation all present and correct.
Do they actually call it the 'Professional' navigation system? Only that I can't see this being the car of choice for the typical professional driver. It could certainly cut those airport transfer times down though!Monty professional navigation all present and correct.
"The new roof is claimed to save 6kg over the steel structure in the standard M3. "
I thought the standard M3 had a CF roof? it certainly used to
also an overall -10kg reduction is pathetic and is literally a reduction of -0.62% - just above half a percent...
reminds me a little of the Porsche T with it's remove the stereo and slap on few thousand £ and call it a lightweight car
I thought the standard M3 had a CF roof? it certainly used to
also an overall -10kg reduction is pathetic and is literally a reduction of -0.62% - just above half a percent...
reminds me a little of the Porsche T with it's remove the stereo and slap on few thousand £ and call it a lightweight car
I wonder how residuals will fare though, this is a limited model, yes it’s 85k for a 4 door saloon but I don’t find it overly expensive as a 335d can easily be specced up to over 50 k for a car that literally could be a 320d with a badge delete.
Yes you can get a big discount on a diesel however that’s only if you opt for the pcp. At a guess, I wouldn’t think people buying limited CS M3’s would go for the pcp deals, they are most likely cash buyers.
Also I see a lot of comparisons to the Alfa...tell me this, what will be more desirable in 15 years time? Check the classifieds, hundreds of e46’s all pushing 10 k with over 100k Miles, i know what I’d rather lump my money on
Yes you can get a big discount on a diesel however that’s only if you opt for the pcp. At a guess, I wouldn’t think people buying limited CS M3’s would go for the pcp deals, they are most likely cash buyers.
Also I see a lot of comparisons to the Alfa...tell me this, what will be more desirable in 15 years time? Check the classifieds, hundreds of e46’s all pushing 10 k with over 100k Miles, i know what I’d rather lump my money on
Chestrockwell said:
I wonder how residuals will fare though, this is a limited model, yes it’s 85k for a 4 door saloon but I don’t find it overly expensive as a 335d can easily be specced up to over 50 k for a car that literally could be a 320d with a badge delete.
Yes you can get a big discount on a diesel however that’s only if you opt for the pcp. At a guess, I wouldn’t think people buying limited CS M3’s would go for the pcp deals, they are most likely cash buyers.
Also I see a lot of comparisons to the Alfa...tell me this, what will be more desirable in 15 years time? Check the classifieds, hundreds of e46’s all pushing 10 k with over 100k Miles, i know what I’d rather lump my money on
The reason I bought my Alfa Giulia Qv was that I enjoy driving it now, every car I buy is used as a daily, so I am not in the slightest interested in long term investment. Every one of my cars ends up with a few miles on it, mainly because I enjoy driving. For me the Alfa gives so much more back than the alternative’s, and it didn’t even cost me £60k!Yes you can get a big discount on a diesel however that’s only if you opt for the pcp. At a guess, I wouldn’t think people buying limited CS M3’s would go for the pcp deals, they are most likely cash buyers.
Also I see a lot of comparisons to the Alfa...tell me this, what will be more desirable in 15 years time? Check the classifieds, hundreds of e46’s all pushing 10 k with over 100k Miles, i know what I’d rather lump my money on
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