RE: BMW M3 CS specs announced

RE: BMW M3 CS specs announced

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T1berious

2,259 posts

155 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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That's stepping awfully close to Panamera money, which as awesome as BMW are even non petrol heads will be "Oooh, nice!"

Agreed the M3 can't be mistaken for a 320D but that's a lot of cash. Maybe I'm nuts but if I was dropping 85K on a 4 door sports saloon i'd up the ante and go Panamera S safe in the knowledge that the uninitiated won't be thinking 320D pah....

But then again, I'm clearly nuts smile

Ares

11,000 posts

120 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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culpz said:
It looks epic and clearly goes epic too. 3.9 seconds to 60 just sounds bonkers to me. I'm just not convinced it's as epic for the premium it commands over the CP version. In fact, just a standard M3/M4 would do me, at an even lower cost.
3.9 is the benchmark for all cars in this sector. The M3 is the last to break the 4 second mark. Bonkers indeed, especially when you consider this, the Alfa and the Merc don't have the RS5's AWD for off the line traction!

culpz

4,882 posts

112 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Ares said:
culpz said:
It looks epic and clearly goes epic too. 3.9 seconds to 60 just sounds bonkers to me. I'm just not convinced it's as epic for the premium it commands over the CP version. In fact, just a standard M3/M4 would do me, at an even lower cost.
3.9 is the benchmark for all cars in this sector. The M3 is the last to break the 4 second mark. Bonkers indeed, especially when you consider this, the Alfa and the Merc don't have the RS5's AWD for off the line traction!
Yeah, i assumed that would be the case. It just sounds mental for a 4-door saloon though and didn't realise they could do those numbers.

I never really got the hate for the F80 M3/M4 in the first place. It's probably my first pick when my lottery numbers come up.

Ares

11,000 posts

120 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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culpz said:
Ares said:
culpz said:
It looks epic and clearly goes epic too. 3.9 seconds to 60 just sounds bonkers to me. I'm just not convinced it's as epic for the premium it commands over the CP version. In fact, just a standard M3/M4 would do me, at an even lower cost.
3.9 is the benchmark for all cars in this sector. The M3 is the last to break the 4 second mark. Bonkers indeed, especially when you consider this, the Alfa and the Merc don't have the RS5's AWD for off the line traction!
Yeah, i assumed that would be the case. It just sounds mental for a 4-door saloon though and didn't realise they could do those numbers.

I never really got the hate for the F80 M3/M4 in the first place. It's probably my first pick when my lottery numbers come up.
Likewise....but it was interesting having it for a weekend, and it's closest competitors for a weekend. All three are really quite different. All three are amazing cars, and for c£60k all are staggeringly capable.

BlackFlag

99 posts

77 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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chedixon said:
Makes the standard M3/M4 look like a bargain!
I suspect that is part of the strategy. Now the std. model no longer looks overpriced, even though it is.

Wills2

22,798 posts

175 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Ares said:
culpz said:
It looks epic and clearly goes epic too. 3.9 seconds to 60 just sounds bonkers to me. I'm just not convinced it's as epic for the premium it commands over the CP version. In fact, just a standard M3/M4 would do me, at an even lower cost.
3.9 is the benchmark for all cars in this sector. The M3 is the last to break the 4 second mark. Bonkers indeed, especially when you consider this, the Alfa and the Merc don't have the RS5's AWD for off the line traction!
All M3/4 officially break the 4 sec barrier to 60 mph, this is the first one to break the 4 barrier to 62 mph. In the US where they measure 0-60 mph not 0-62 mph the official figures for the DCT are 3.9/3.8/3.7 (standard/CP/CS)

But it's a moot point as no M3CP has been tested as quicker than the standard car in the US whose best test was 3.8 to 60 mph for both (they tend to get the best times in warm California) such small amounts of difference in power in a traction limited car will mean the driver and road/weather conditions will have more effect than adding a few horses, the same car on a different day will yield differing results or even the same car on the same day but with a different driver will change the result.

As an example I couldn't get near my 0-60 time achieved in my 335d xdrive in either my F10 M5 or F80 M3, so it may well be a bench mark as you say but it's pretty irrelevant in RWD cars like these and if that bench mark matters then the RS5 is the better bet.



Ares

11,000 posts

120 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Wills2 said:
Ares said:
culpz said:
It looks epic and clearly goes epic too. 3.9 seconds to 60 just sounds bonkers to me. I'm just not convinced it's as epic for the premium it commands over the CP version. In fact, just a standard M3/M4 would do me, at an even lower cost.
3.9 is the benchmark for all cars in this sector. The M3 is the last to break the 4 second mark. Bonkers indeed, especially when you consider this, the Alfa and the Merc don't have the RS5's AWD for off the line traction!
All M3/4 officially break the 4 sec barrier to 60 mph, this is the first one to break the 4 barrier to 62 mph. In the US where they measure 0-60 mph not 0-62 mph the official figures for the DCT are 3.9/3.8/3.7 (standard/CP/CS)

But it's a moot point as no M3CP has been tested as quicker than the standard car in the US whose best test was 3.8 to 60 mph for both (they tend to get the best times in warm California) such small amounts of difference in power in a traction limited car will mean the driver and road/weather conditions will have more effect than adding a few horses, the same car on a different day will yield differing results or even the same car on the same day but with a different driver will change the result.

As an example I couldn't get near my 0-60 time achieved in my 335d xdrive in either my F10 M5 or F80 M3, so it may well be a bench mark as you say but it's pretty irrelevant in RWD cars like these and if that bench mark matters then the RS5 is the better bet.

Sorry, lack of specificity. 3.9 is the benchmark (0-62) for all cars in this sector. The M3 is the last to break the 4 second mark. Bonkers indeed, especially when you consider this, the Alfa and the Merc don't have the RS5's AWD for off the line traction!

....but as you say, away from Top Trumps and bar room bragging rights, it's a fairly pointless measure. wink

culpz

4,882 posts

112 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Ares said:
culpz said:
Ares said:
culpz said:
It looks epic and clearly goes epic too. 3.9 seconds to 60 just sounds bonkers to me. I'm just not convinced it's as epic for the premium it commands over the CP version. In fact, just a standard M3/M4 would do me, at an even lower cost.
3.9 is the benchmark for all cars in this sector. The M3 is the last to break the 4 second mark. Bonkers indeed, especially when you consider this, the Alfa and the Merc don't have the RS5's AWD for off the line traction!
Yeah, i assumed that would be the case. It just sounds mental for a 4-door saloon though and didn't realise they could do those numbers.

I never really got the hate for the F80 M3/M4 in the first place. It's probably my first pick when my lottery numbers come up.
Likewise....but it was interesting having it for a weekend, and it's closest competitors for a weekend. All three are really quite different. All three are amazing cars, and for c£60k all are staggeringly capable.
You ended up buying the Alfa, if i'm not incorrect?

What swayed it for you?

MustardCutter

238 posts

120 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Wills2 said:
In the US where they measure 0-60 mph not 0-62 mph the official figures for the DCT are 3.9/3.8/3.7 (standard/CP/CS)
The yanks allow a slight rolling start when measuring 0-60 though, so it doesn't really start from zero so their "0-60" times are always quicker. It's mental.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Wills2 said:
You won't see the new m3 until 2020.
Doesn't really matter- I would think very carefully before spending £85k on an M3 that is based on a nearly obsolete model. Appreciate not everyone thinks like I do, however the pace of change in features and kit is so fast that the current 1 and 3 already feel very old compared to the new models BMW are bringing out.

On the basis above I was on my limit buying mine earlier this year, and the Alfa was too much of an unknown to be my DD. The Merc, despite the amazing engine, just doesn't appeal.

Trophy-GTA

101 posts

98 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Still not as cool as the giulia qv smile

CaptainRAVE

360 posts

112 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Ruskins said:
Does make the Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio look like very good value.
Just about the only thing the Alfa looks good about in comparison.

3795mpower

485 posts

130 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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So in the press photos I'm seeing some full fat front seats & the full
Monty professional navigation all present and correct.
But then I look closely & see the dual zone climate has been deleted
In favour or a simpler analogue system.

Saving weight, saving money or looking more purposeful ?

Please, this is a road car.

Just seems to sum up the confused nature of this beast.

Ruskins

221 posts

121 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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CaptainRAVE said:
Ruskins said:
Does make the Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio look like very good value.
Just about the only thing the Alfa looks good about in comparison.
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Raramuri

91 posts

152 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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3795mpower said:
So in the press photos I'm seeing some full fat front seats & the full
Monty professional navigation all present and correct.
Do they actually call it the 'Professional' navigation system? Only that I can't see this being the car of choice for the typical professional driver. It could certainly cut those airport transfer times down though!

WCZ

10,521 posts

194 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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I'd rather have a lightly used 530bhp 991 turbo at this price or possibly save up £10-20k more and buy a 991 GT3 or Mclaren 12C

WCZ

10,521 posts

194 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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"The new roof is claimed to save 6kg over the steel structure in the standard M3. "
I thought the standard M3 had a CF roof? it certainly used to
also an overall -10kg reduction is pathetic and is literally a reduction of -0.62% - just above half a percent...
reminds me a little of the Porsche T with it's remove the stereo and slap on few thousand £ and call it a lightweight car

MegaCat

Original Poster:

191 posts

140 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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CaptainRAVE said:
Just about the only thing the Alfa looks good about in comparison.
Have you driven one, I’m guessing not.

Chestrockwell

2,627 posts

157 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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I wonder how residuals will fare though, this is a limited model, yes it’s 85k for a 4 door saloon but I don’t find it overly expensive as a 335d can easily be specced up to over 50 k for a car that literally could be a 320d with a badge delete.

Yes you can get a big discount on a diesel however that’s only if you opt for the pcp. At a guess, I wouldn’t think people buying limited CS M3’s would go for the pcp deals, they are most likely cash buyers.

Also I see a lot of comparisons to the Alfa...tell me this, what will be more desirable in 15 years time? Check the classifieds, hundreds of e46’s all pushing 10 k with over 100k Miles, i know what I’d rather lump my money on

MegaCat

Original Poster:

191 posts

140 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Chestrockwell said:
I wonder how residuals will fare though, this is a limited model, yes it’s 85k for a 4 door saloon but I don’t find it overly expensive as a 335d can easily be specced up to over 50 k for a car that literally could be a 320d with a badge delete.

Yes you can get a big discount on a diesel however that’s only if you opt for the pcp. At a guess, I wouldn’t think people buying limited CS M3’s would go for the pcp deals, they are most likely cash buyers.

Also I see a lot of comparisons to the Alfa...tell me this, what will be more desirable in 15 years time? Check the classifieds, hundreds of e46’s all pushing 10 k with over 100k Miles, i know what I’d rather lump my money on
The reason I bought my Alfa Giulia Qv was that I enjoy driving it now, every car I buy is used as a daily, so I am not in the slightest interested in long term investment. Every one of my cars ends up with a few miles on it, mainly because I enjoy driving. For me the Alfa gives so much more back than the alternative’s, and it didn’t even cost me £60k!