RE: Kia Stinger GT-S vs. BMW 440i Coupe
Discussion
Kitchski said:
Sportidge said:
AFAIK, the only "boxes to tick" are what colour you want it painting. Everything else comes as standard, depending on which trim level you choose.....
My lust for the Kia further flourishes.E65Ross said:
Kitchski said:
Sportidge said:
AFAIK, the only "boxes to tick" are what colour you want it painting. Everything else comes as standard, depending on which trim level you choose.....
My lust for the Kia further flourishes.E65Ross said:
Kitchski said:
Sportidge said:
AFAIK, the only "boxes to tick" are what colour you want it painting. Everything else comes as standard, depending on which trim level you choose.....
My lust for the Kia further flourishes.
ts what badge is on the bonnet.Besides, I did say my 'lotto win' daily driver. 20% would mean nothing to me there.
Willy Nilly said:
Are the cheap lease deals a good deal or have they built some spartan cars with rubbish spec? I recall people looking for used Golf R's on here and the ex lease cars spec wasn't up to much.
Liking that Kia though.
They're generally good value, until you start piling on the options, that is. However, i'm led to believe that they're generally pretty well specced as standard. So, why you would bother in the first place, is beyond me.Liking that Kia though.
Can you really get "spartan specced" cars anymore? The Golf R's are decent as standard and so are the "40i's, as far as i'm aware. Saying that, i've never been one for going mad on all of the options, myself.
kambites said:
shakotan said:
I mean, how many Hyundai Genesis have you seen on the road? They are £52k before you even start with the options.
According to HowManyLeft there's only 48 registered examples, and some of those will be dealer demonstrators.
They're all over the place in the States though and seem faily common in the rest of Europe, at least compared to here. The British market is odd. According to HowManyLeft there's only 48 registered examples, and some of those will be dealer demonstrators.
r11co said:
I highly doubt that. The Germans are masters at hiding the compromises in the quality of their vehicles.
I'm willing to bet my house that the KIA will be solid and corrosion free long after the BMW has revealed its flakey, cracked subframes and rusty wheel arches. KIA and Hyundai targeted the best of the Japanese as the standard for the quality of build for their cars.
I've not long sold an E90 330i that I owned for nearly 5 years. When I got it it had a fuel leak caused by a cut in the petrol tank breather hose where it passed through a badly-finished hole in the bodywork. Not a one-off BTW - a known problem as a result of compromises in the quality of the finish of the vehicle. BMW knew about it and quietly introduced a fix to later models and retrofitted it to existing cars where the owners had spotted it (clearly the previous owner of mine hadn't). Other manufacturers would have issued a recall, but that would have been bad publicity and might have damaged the stage-managed reputation for quality.
Despite that I loved the car, but part of the reason for selling it on was that I was fighting a losing battle to keep it in the condition that would satisfy me. I had the edges of the rear wheel-arches refinished not long after I got it as the original protection was inadequate, the paint was flaking and rust was starting to appear. Last winter the driver's side front wing started to show corrosion that had started on the inside edge that I had to take measures to stop spreading. I would probably be doing the same on the passanger side right now if it had not been sold.
Not a one-off. Run your hands along the lip of a wheelarch of any BMW that has experienced more than 3 or 4 UK winters and you will feel the beginnings of the problem I am talking about.
ok sure, KIA are better quality than BMW's rolls eyesI'm willing to bet my house that the KIA will be solid and corrosion free long after the BMW has revealed its flakey, cracked subframes and rusty wheel arches. KIA and Hyundai targeted the best of the Japanese as the standard for the quality of build for their cars.
I've not long sold an E90 330i that I owned for nearly 5 years. When I got it it had a fuel leak caused by a cut in the petrol tank breather hose where it passed through a badly-finished hole in the bodywork. Not a one-off BTW - a known problem as a result of compromises in the quality of the finish of the vehicle. BMW knew about it and quietly introduced a fix to later models and retrofitted it to existing cars where the owners had spotted it (clearly the previous owner of mine hadn't). Other manufacturers would have issued a recall, but that would have been bad publicity and might have damaged the stage-managed reputation for quality.
Despite that I loved the car, but part of the reason for selling it on was that I was fighting a losing battle to keep it in the condition that would satisfy me. I had the edges of the rear wheel-arches refinished not long after I got it as the original protection was inadequate, the paint was flaking and rust was starting to appear. Last winter the driver's side front wing started to show corrosion that had started on the inside edge that I had to take measures to stop spreading. I would probably be doing the same on the passanger side right now if it had not been sold.
Not a one-off. Run your hands along the lip of a wheelarch of any BMW that has experienced more than 3 or 4 UK winters and you will feel the beginnings of the problem I am talking about.
Edited by r11co on Saturday 18th November 08:21
Kitchski said:
I love the Stinger. I'd never spend anything like that kind of money on a daily driver (reserve it for classics and fun weekend stuff.....if I had it) but if I won the lotto and didn't really care as much, I'd buy a Stinger for daily duties. Full list, no discounts, every box ticked, and probably just in black.
if you won the lottery, you'd buy a a KIA Stinger...good shilling
theplayingmantis said:
ok sure, KIA are better quality than BMW's rolls eyes
I'd certainly say they're more reliable in the main, but I suspect that's mostly because they're simpler. I think which is "better quality" is a matter of semantics, from what I've seen I'd say Kia have better quality control but again it's easier to have good quality control with a simple product. I think the reliability of this thing will be interesting, given how much more highly strung it is than most Kias.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 22 November 12:49
I drove one at the weekend to see what the hullabaloo was about.
it was ok, not very exciting, kind of meh. and boy is it ugly at the back (ok from front), looks like a pileup of a number of other vehicles and kia have used the results and ripped off Audi big time.
Interior wise no better or worse than my old dears 1 year old picanto.
I'd seriously question anyone who goes overboard on them as great drivers or quality interiors as likely having some sort of agenda, hatred/jealousy of the 'premium' marques, being a K fan boy, or coming from a complete 10 year old pile of crap, to be able to judge the stinger as anything but middling in driving and interior quality.
Its an ok effort from a white goods maker, but the Germans surely wont be quaking. Plus its very overpriced in the only spec anyone should consider. I can understand people wanting something different to the germans, but its like saying i want something different to Waitrose the very best of lines and M&S premium line (whatever that is called) and buying tesco finest and claiming its comparable or better.
More options will come over time on the top trim level or so Ive been told. The fact only color is an option is more a case of newness to the market than it being super specced already.
it was ok, not very exciting, kind of meh. and boy is it ugly at the back (ok from front), looks like a pileup of a number of other vehicles and kia have used the results and ripped off Audi big time.
Interior wise no better or worse than my old dears 1 year old picanto.
I'd seriously question anyone who goes overboard on them as great drivers or quality interiors as likely having some sort of agenda, hatred/jealousy of the 'premium' marques, being a K fan boy, or coming from a complete 10 year old pile of crap, to be able to judge the stinger as anything but middling in driving and interior quality.
Its an ok effort from a white goods maker, but the Germans surely wont be quaking. Plus its very overpriced in the only spec anyone should consider. I can understand people wanting something different to the germans, but its like saying i want something different to Waitrose the very best of lines and M&S premium line (whatever that is called) and buying tesco finest and claiming its comparable or better.
More options will come over time on the top trim level or so Ive been told. The fact only color is an option is more a case of newness to the market than it being super specced already.
theplayingmantis said:
Kitchski said:
I love the Stinger. I'd never spend anything like that kind of money on a daily driver (reserve it for classics and fun weekend stuff.....if I had it) but if I won the lotto and didn't really care as much, I'd buy a Stinger for daily duties. Full list, no discounts, every box ticked, and probably just in black.
if you won the lottery, you'd buy a a KIA Stinger...good shilling
theplayingmantis said:
I drove one at the weekend to see what the hullabaloo was about.
it was ok, not very exciting, kind of meh. and boy is it ugly at the back (ok from front), looks like a pileup of a number of other vehicles and kia have used the results and ripped off Audi big time.
Interior wise no better or worse than my old dears 1 year old picanto.
I'd seriously question anyone who goes overboard on them as great drivers or quality interiors as likely having some sort of agenda, hatred/jealousy of the 'premium' marques, being a K fan boy, or coming from a complete 10 year old pile of crap, to be able to judge the stinger as anything but middling in driving and interior quality.
Its an ok effort from a white goods maker, but the Germans surely wont be quaking. Plus its very overpriced in the only spec anyone should consider. I can understand people wanting something different to the germans, but its like saying i want something different to Waitrose the very best of lines and M&S premium line (whatever that is called) and buying tesco finest and claiming its comparable or better.
More options will come over time on the top trim level or so Ive been told. The fact only color is an option is more a case of newness to the market than it being super specced already.
So you don't like it then? I admire your dedication in being quietly sneeringly dismissive of the Stinger. I am none of the above in terms of why you think I would like the car. (I've owned several BMWs, have no connection with Kia as a company, and don't drive a 10 year pile of crap - it's 9 years old). It is not middling to drive or the interior quality is a long way from being average. it was ok, not very exciting, kind of meh. and boy is it ugly at the back (ok from front), looks like a pileup of a number of other vehicles and kia have used the results and ripped off Audi big time.
Interior wise no better or worse than my old dears 1 year old picanto.
I'd seriously question anyone who goes overboard on them as great drivers or quality interiors as likely having some sort of agenda, hatred/jealousy of the 'premium' marques, being a K fan boy, or coming from a complete 10 year old pile of crap, to be able to judge the stinger as anything but middling in driving and interior quality.
Its an ok effort from a white goods maker, but the Germans surely wont be quaking. Plus its very overpriced in the only spec anyone should consider. I can understand people wanting something different to the germans, but its like saying i want something different to Waitrose the very best of lines and M&S premium line (whatever that is called) and buying tesco finest and claiming its comparable or better.
More options will come over time on the top trim level or so Ive been told. The fact only color is an option is more a case of newness to the market than it being super specced already.
Where does leave us then? How are you going to qualify my opinion differing from yours? Being abstruse, or wilfully odd, or contrary for mere contrariness' sake? I'd like to think that I could come up with some better criticisms than a hackneyed Picanto comparison or your peculiar Tesco / Waitrose analogy.
I expect you went to drive it, if drive it you did, expecting to dislike it and then went off in a frothy-mouthed search to find things to validate your pre-conceived opinion. See, I can do it to! (Albeit with greater elan, style, and panache).
You don't like it. I do like it. 0-0 I'd suggest.
Simonium said:
So you don't like it then? I admire your dedication in being quietly sneeringly dismissive of the Stinger. I am none of the above in terms of why you think I would like the car. (I've owned several BMWs, have no connection with Kia as a company, and don't drive a 10 year pile of crap - it's 9 years old). It is not middling to drive or the interior quality is a long way from being average.
Where does leave us then? How are you going to qualify my opinion differing from yours? Being abstruse, or wilfully odd, or contrary for mere contrariness' sake? I'd like to think that I could come up with some better criticisms than a hackneyed Picanto comparison or your peculiar Tesco / Waitrose analogy.
I expect you went to drive it, if drive it you did, expecting to dislike it and then went off in a frothy-mouthed search to find things to validate your pre-conceived opinion. See, I can do it to! (Albeit with greater elan, style, and panache).
You don't like it. I do like it. 0-0 I'd suggest.
Some people like ricer cars. or in this case bad imitation ricers. So be it. I've just posted my experience and opinion of those who go overboard on it. I don't drive a premium vehicle so im not looking doen on it, its my take. You have yours. 1-1Where does leave us then? How are you going to qualify my opinion differing from yours? Being abstruse, or wilfully odd, or contrary for mere contrariness' sake? I'd like to think that I could come up with some better criticisms than a hackneyed Picanto comparison or your peculiar Tesco / Waitrose analogy.
I expect you went to drive it, if drive it you did, expecting to dislike it and then went off in a frothy-mouthed search to find things to validate your pre-conceived opinion. See, I can do it to! (Albeit with greater elan, style, and panache).
You don't like it. I do like it. 0-0 I'd suggest.
its a fiar effort but 99/100 people wont touch it over a german brand that is a cheaper and b better.
CaptainSensib1e said:
Which makes pricing it at over £40k, and thus attracting extra VED look completley loopy if they are happy to sell them for well under £40k via discount brokers.
But the VED rate is based on the 'list price' of the car. The £40K+ is the OTR price of the car;'GT S' 3.3 T-GDi 365bhp 8-speed auto ISG
Basic: £32,204.17
VAT: £6,440.83
Retail: £38,645.00
VED: £1,200
FRF: £55
Delivery: £595
OTR: £40,495
Which makes it £1200 VED in the first year, but the standard £140 each year after.
https://www.kia.com/uk/new-cars/all-new-stinger/em...
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