RE: Tesla Model S Shooting Brake
Discussion
RacerMike said:
Apart from they won’t be just thrown away as legally they can’t be. It’s impossible to actually just ‘scrap’ a car these days in the traditional sense of putting it in landfill or cubing it.
Over the fence from where I work there is a trad. scrapyard where cars are bought-in and then either fixed-and-resold, or piled-up awaiting someone to strip parts until the mobile crusher arrives and the car (sans engine only) is cubed.What happens to that - no idea, but this place is not what you'd call "beneficial to the environment". I've spend enough time in there - I think I'm 2% more hydrocarbon that I used-to-be (there's a river of hydrocarbons runs from it into the new housing estate EVERY time it rains - lovely rainbows)
I suspect it isn't the only one - hell I know it's not - there are 3-4 more within a 10-min drive - I know DOZENS of people with fields full of cars awaiting their fate and I have a feeling it's only going to be high-end recycling until the reward from that tails-off (anyone remember when pop cans were worth money?
Peeking at Tesla's "used" inventory, they are asking strong money for older cars - they clearly plan to control their vehicles as much as possible but they can't control all of them (and we'd not want them to - as that would be a bad thing!!)
Imagine trying to run a Ford entirely within their dealer network - for 15 years - imagine that.
Julian Thompson said:
Interesting project but the roofline doesn’t work for me - I can see why they did it - carrying on the profile would have made the exercise more pointless that it might already seem given that the resulting tailgate would have been not much higher than the hatch.
No, for me, that’s really not a very exciting thing to do.
On the other hand, remember those 456 shooting brakes that the middle eastern royalty used to commission? Those were pretty much as daft but kind of charming at the same time.
Best reserve judgement on this until it’s done but well done to the owner for having the passion to have it created! ????
Agreed - that roofline looks bl**dy awful !No, for me, that’s really not a very exciting thing to do.
On the other hand, remember those 456 shooting brakes that the middle eastern royalty used to commission? Those were pretty much as daft but kind of charming at the same time.
Best reserve judgement on this until it’s done but well done to the owner for having the passion to have it created! ????
It is interesting not because they are making an estate of a car. But modifying a Tesla is a no no. Much like replacing something broken on your iphone or ye olde ipod they don't like you touching it.
Other people who wanted to use a crashed Tesla and repair it or use it as a donor car face a bigger problem than just panel work.
The Tesla is essentially a big server sending information back to the factory about everything you do. From when you lift the nose for your driveway, remembering the location and doing it again next time. But sending this back to the factory to tell other Teslas to do the same.
The future of modifying cars is reflected in this. The bodywork isn't important. The real problem is unplugging or modifying anything electronic on the Tesla.
This aspect will be the shadow over modifications of cars in the future if the maker decides that you have voided their warranty they can remotely shut off your computer/car.
Other people who wanted to use a crashed Tesla and repair it or use it as a donor car face a bigger problem than just panel work.
The Tesla is essentially a big server sending information back to the factory about everything you do. From when you lift the nose for your driveway, remembering the location and doing it again next time. But sending this back to the factory to tell other Teslas to do the same.
The future of modifying cars is reflected in this. The bodywork isn't important. The real problem is unplugging or modifying anything electronic on the Tesla.
This aspect will be the shadow over modifications of cars in the future if the maker decides that you have voided their warranty they can remotely shut off your computer/car.
RacerMike said:
HardMiles said:
I just couldn't give any f
ks about how fast a tesla is, it isn't any more economical than an old car to have made, its WAY worse, which offsets it now. In ten years time, we will all be running power plants or generators at home to plug them into as the grid won't support them all, or the government will be forced into putting in more nuclear plants again. Plus all of the carbon and sea-fill non recycleable materials in the things. So short sighted!
fking peices of st that have also devalued and made the supercar mundane. Hateful bloody things.
Posts like this always make me chuckle. “Arrrggghh! Change! The sky’s falling down! Lizard Prople!!!!”ks about how fast a tesla is, it isn't any more economical than an old car to have made, its WAY worse, which offsets it now. In ten years time, we will all be running power plants or generators at home to plug them into as the grid won't support them all, or the government will be forced into putting in more nuclear plants again. Plus all of the carbon and sea-fill non recycleable materials in the things. So short sighted! f
king peices of st that have also devalued and made the supercar mundane. Hateful bloody things.Be safe in the knowledge that no one will take away your V12 Lamborghini any time soon. There’s space in this world for all sorts, including *whispers* electric cars....
In the late 1990s, when I lived on the Continent, an English colleague launched into a rant about Americans on his flight. "And they're all zipping about with their luggage on wheels," he noted with disapproval.
HardMiles said:
I just couldn't give any fks about how fast a tesla is, it isn't any more economical than an old car to have made, its WAY worse, which offsets it now. In ten years time, we will all be running power plants or generators at home to plug them into as the grid won't support them all, or the government will be forced into putting in more nuclear plants again. Plus all of the carbon and sea-fill non recycleable materials in the things. So short sighted!
fking peices of st that have also devalued and made the supercar mundane. Hateful bloody things.
And breath.....................................ks about how fast a tesla is, it isn't any more economical than an old car to have made, its WAY worse, which offsets it now. In ten years time, we will all be running power plants or generators at home to plug them into as the grid won't support them all, or the government will be forced into putting in more nuclear plants again. Plus all of the carbon and sea-fill non recycleable materials in the things. So short sighted! f
king peices of st that have also devalued and made the supercar mundane. Hateful bloody things.I have a perfectly adequate high performance "shooting brake".
It is a Saab 9-5 Aero Estate. It can accommodate all sorts of stuff, has comfy seats, the best cup-holder in the business, goes like st off a shovel (in a straight line: don't press the go pedal when going round corners)
It cost me a bag of washers compared with a Tesla.
It is a Saab 9-5 Aero Estate. It can accommodate all sorts of stuff, has comfy seats, the best cup-holder in the business, goes like s
t off a shovel (in a straight line: don't press the go pedal when going round corners)It cost me a bag of washers compared with a Tesla.
ReaperCushions said:
HardMiles said:
I just couldn't give any fks about how fast a tesla is, it isn't any more economical than an old car to have made, its WAY worse, which offsets it now. In ten years time, we will all be running power plants or generators at home to plug them into as the grid won't support them all, or the government will be forced into putting in more nuclear plants again. Plus all of the carbon and sea-fill non recycleable materials in the things. So short sighted!
fking peices of st that have also devalued and made the supercar mundane. Hateful bloody things.
Not a fan then?ks about how fast a tesla is, it isn't any more economical than an old car to have made, its WAY worse, which offsets it now. In ten years time, we will all be running power plants or generators at home to plug them into as the grid won't support them all, or the government will be forced into putting in more nuclear plants again. Plus all of the carbon and sea-fill non recycleable materials in the things. So short sighted! f
king peices of st that have also devalued and made the supercar mundane. Hateful bloody things.406dogvan said:
Note that cars are living shorter-and-shorter lives already, mostly thanks to them being crammed with badly designed/made electronics, I'm not sure we need to hasten that at this point?
Not supported by the facts, though: cars of the '60s & '70s were end of life after 100000 miles, cars from the '90s & on are lasting for upwards of 200000 miles. Electrical parts can often be fixed for pennies in some cases, & are simple plug & play. Engines & gearboxes last far longer between service, & anti corrosion efforts & better build quality all help. Myth vs reality.406dogvan said:
Note that cars are living shorter-and-shorter lives already, mostly thanks to them being crammed with badly designed/made electronics, I'm not sure we need to hasten that at this point?
Not supported by the facts, though: cars of the '60s & '70s were end of life after 100000 miles, cars from the '90s & on are lasting for upwards of 200000 miles. Electrical parts can often be fixed for pennies in some cases, & are simple plug & play. Engines & gearboxes last far longer between service, & anti corrosion efforts & better build quality all help. Myth vs reality.Fetchez la vache said:
MarkwG said:
Myth vs reality.
Not when it comes to the wiring it's self. Wiring looms that invariably perish due to having to constantly bend when a door opens & shuts are a major pain in the arse for owners of older cars (oh, hello !!), meaning locking, & windows won't work...Also, pennies to fix.
HardMiles said:
I just couldn't give any fks about how fast a tesla is, it isn't any more economical than an old car to have made, its WAY worse, which offsets it now. In ten years time, we will all be running power plants or generators at home to plug them into as the grid won't support them all, or the government will be forced into putting in more nuclear plants again. Plus all of the carbon and sea-fill non recycleable materials in the things. So short sighted!
fking peices of st that have also devalued and made the supercar mundane. Hateful bloody things.
The Irish electricity board did a study that showed if all cars in the EU went electric and were smart charged overnight we would need 1% extra generating capacity. Basically the primary time to charge EVs is at night, when we currently turn wind farms off due to the lack of demand in the early hours. The whole smart meter roll out (although badly managed) is aimed at incentivising and penalising electricity use to spread out demand to cope with this issue and others. ks about how fast a tesla is, it isn't any more economical than an old car to have made, its WAY worse, which offsets it now. In ten years time, we will all be running power plants or generators at home to plug them into as the grid won't support them all, or the government will be forced into putting in more nuclear plants again. Plus all of the carbon and sea-fill non recycleable materials in the things. So short sighted! f
king peices of st that have also devalued and made the supercar mundane. Hateful bloody things.Most of the car is recyclable, it has to be by law (that damn interfering EU again, making us not just bin stuff that can be reused. The elements in the battery have a value and will be recycled unless the person disposing of the car is an idiot and puts it in landfill.
An EV is the only type of car that actually gets cleaner as it gets older with the continuous improvement in the emissions of the electricity grid. Plus, you can charge it yourself if you have a combined heat power unit, solar or less likely wind power at home.
aaron_2000 said:
I agree that they aren't as eco friendly as everyone thinks they are, in fact I remember reading that they're less environmentally friendly than a 1.0 Focus. However for cities, they're a god send, and pretty simply, if anyone says it isn't really fking impressive that they've made an EV that you can actually use, then they're living in a dream world. Staying on topic I think it's an interesting idea. Wonder what the impact will be on range in the real world?
There was a study that showed that on one of the worst average grid electricity mixes in the US (a coal heavy state) the emissions were marginally worse than a Mitsubishi Mirage). On average US grid, average EU grid or the UK grid it would be cleaner and would continue to get cleaner as the car gets older. The comparison was pretty ridiculous anyway as the Tesla Model S is a large and very fast car and and Mirage is a small, rubbish and slow car. king impressive that they've made an EV that you can actually use, then they're living in a dream world. Staying on topic I think it's an interesting idea. Wonder what the impact will be on range in the real world? Evoquative said:
There was a study that showed that on one of the worst average grid electricity mixes in the US (a coal heavy state) the emissions were marginally worse than a Mitsubishi Mirage). On average US grid, average EU grid or the UK grid it would be cleaner and would continue to get cleaner as the car gets older. The comparison was pretty ridiculous anyway as the Tesla Model S is a large and very fast car and and Mirage is a small, rubbish and slow car.
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