RE: Dallara launches 855kg road car

RE: Dallara launches 855kg road car

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Johnny5hoods

499 posts

118 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Nice to see the weight moving in the right direction for a change.

RoverP6B

4,338 posts

127 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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I don't mind it having a Ford engine... but why not e.g. a Cosworth-tuned N/A or s/c V6? I can't see a 4-pot turbo being sufficient for this.

OK, I am never going to be in the market for this car or any other like it, but still...

SmartVenom

462 posts

168 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Ford should have come up with a better name for the ecoboost or passed them through cosworth, a funkier name would probably remove half the complaints.

matrignano

4,346 posts

209 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Looks amazing, I'm just not sure why the front overhang needs to be so long?

RoverP6B

4,338 posts

127 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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SmartVenom said:
Ford should have come up with a better name for the ecoboost or passed them through cosworth, a funkier name would probably remove half the complaints.
Can't speak for anyone else, I couldn't give a toss what it's called, I just loathe 4-cylinder engines and prefer 6+ naturally aspirated cylinders.

Rawwr

22,722 posts

233 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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With a Dallara badge on it, I really can't think of a bigger irrelevance than the engine.

RoverP6B

4,338 posts

127 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Come off it! Dallara, the man best known for his involvement with the Lamborghini Miura, and you reckon the engine just doesn't matter?

havoc

29,929 posts

234 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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thiscocks said:
Looks great. Hold reservation on the engine... Something N/A would be preferable.
cib24 said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
Because the Ecoboost will be cheaper and put out better numbers. TBH a Honda Vtec is hardly exotic, however loud the supercharger is.
I was more referring to the Ariel Atom 500 V8 which is basically two Suzuki Hayabusa engines glued together. Mental.

However, the Honda F20C or K20A motors sound a million times better and the K20A in particular can take serious boost just like the Ecoboost if not better.
Agree with all of this...except for the 'boost' bit. wink

Why are almost all of these cars built around Turbo-4's now? Yes they're cheap for the power they deliver, but they're compromised on-circuit vs n/a (or even s/charged), and they don't sound anywhere near as good as even 4's on ITB's, let alone an I-5 / V or flat-6, etc... AND cooling is a bigger issue on-track so the need for robust intercoolers etc. adds weight/complexity.


So here is a 'premium' car using a 'cheap' engine. IMHO they could have done a lot better, even without going to the Suzuki V8 (which would be fantastic in something like this...):-

- You can get an easy 300bhp from a highly-strung K20A (~185kg inc. transmission) without it being a truculent b'gger at low revs or risking it blowing up on you (and they DO sound good - just go out in an Atom, for example) - surely that would be a good starting point?
- Then you've got the outgoing Porsche 3.4 flat-6 (~185kg w/o transmission), which is >300bhp in any state of tune, and arguably capable of 400bhp with a little fettling. Such fettling would turn it into a mini-GT3 engine (excluded that option on the basis of cost)
- Then there's the GM crate-engines - an LS-anything (~190kg w/o transmission) is neither the largest nor the heaviest motor around (they've fitted them in MX5's, FFS), which will deliver +/- 500bhp all day long.

(For comparison, the 2.3 Ecoboost is 265kg including the crate/packgaging but excluding the transmission...and excluding the additional intercooler / pipework / coolant. So there's a clear weight-saving going to any of the above engines, esp. the Honda)

Rawwr

22,722 posts

233 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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RoverP6B said:
Come off it! Dallara, the man best known for his involvement with the Lamborghini Miura, and you reckon the engine just doesn't matter?
Yes?

5harp3y

1,942 posts

198 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Stunning bit of design ... absolutely gorgeous.

now why cant kit car designers look at this and make a cheap version!?

Cotty

39,389 posts

283 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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How much yikes

I'll take an Exige with a roof please.

suffolk009

5,344 posts

164 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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I love this sort of car. Absolutely love them.

Makes me sad that the global market for such an impractical indulgence is maybe 2-3000 cars a year. That's if you add all of the manufacturers sales together.

British Beef

2,192 posts

164 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Exige 430 cup and a Pocket full of change for me please.

I agree With all comments regarding needing more cylinders in the engine bay for that Money 6 should be minimum over £100k.

AlexHat

1,327 posts

118 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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I'm surprised that they've gone for a 4 pot when they could have gone for a V6 Ecoboost (either 2.7 or 3.5) but their choice, obviously more money has gone into the chassis and how it drives than the engine and how it sounds


hondansx

4,562 posts

224 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Has it though? Will it not be a modified chassis of something they had in existence already?


saaby93

32,038 posts

177 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Anyone surprised its not electric?

DanoS4

863 posts

193 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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As was said earlier - looks like 458/next gen of Ferraris.

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chiark

118 posts

149 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Brilliant. And it makes the Exige that had everyone up in arms around pricing look like an absolute bargain.

preciousmetal

3,369 posts

175 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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2.3 FORD ECOBOOST Turbo eek
Going to be a few Head Gasket issues then

baronbennyt

900 posts

95 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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As a proud Lotus 3-Eleven owner I certainly appreciate the concept and the Dallara does look stunning indeed, but like many on this forum (although not all) I'm just not convinced by a dull sounding four cylinder turbo engine, even if it is lightweight, highly tuneable and no doubt reliable and easily serviced.

However, I might now have to invest in a Komo-Tec 475bhp upgrade kit for the 3-Eleven (410bhp as standard), just to compete on power-to-weight!