RE: ?100K Escort RS2000!
Discussion
There cant be many folk wanting a 100k Escort where that kind of money is negligible, it was always a bit of a blue collar car, working class hero, a geezer car. Ok, there will be some working class done well types about, owns a chain of shops or something but even to someone with a few million, its a fair chunk of cash and the global super rich with bottomless supplies of cash, Oil Sheikhs, Oligarchs, Tech billionaires generally wont have the MK2 Escort on their radar, it is largely peculiar to Brits and a few European countries as a prized item.
I dont think Americans will be all that bothered, Russians, Chinese, Indians etc, it is a cultural item for us, not so much them I guess, Swedes, Fins, Irish, Brits and maybe a few Australians and Kiwis, fairly sure they got Escorts but not sure they have the same fondness for them as we do, they tend to favour Holdens and the like as their equivalent.
Its a pretty narrow market, but as I always say, you only need one punter, there will be someone out there with loads of cash and a penchant for (Ford) Escorts.
Imagine explaining that to the missus that though....
I dont think Americans will be all that bothered, Russians, Chinese, Indians etc, it is a cultural item for us, not so much them I guess, Swedes, Fins, Irish, Brits and maybe a few Australians and Kiwis, fairly sure they got Escorts but not sure they have the same fondness for them as we do, they tend to favour Holdens and the like as their equivalent.
Its a pretty narrow market, but as I always say, you only need one punter, there will be someone out there with loads of cash and a penchant for (Ford) Escorts.
Imagine explaining that to the missus that though....
J4CKO said:
Its a pretty narrow market, but as I always say, you only need one punter, there will be someone out there with loads of cash and a penchant for (Ford) Escorts.
Imagine explaining that to the missus that though....
I bet there's a large amount of old guys who've been found out and had to explain to their wives spending large amounts on escorts ...... Imagine explaining that to the missus that though....
blade7 said:
s m said:
In today's Autocar there is an Orange V6 X-pack featured on page 75 - links to an ad on PH apparently...
I'm not a fan of the box arches on that X-pack version, or the colour. Edited by blade7 on Wednesday 22 November 14:02
J4CKO said:
There cant be many folk wanting a 100k Escort where that kind of money is negligible, it was always a bit of a blue collar car, working class hero, a geezer car. Ok, there will be some working class done well types about, owns a chain of shops or something but even to someone with a few million, its a fair chunk of cash and the global super rich with bottomless supplies of cash, Oil Sheikhs, Oligarchs, Tech billionaires generally wont have the MK2 Escort on their radar, it is largely peculiar to Brits and a few European countries as a prized item.
Like you say unless it's someone 'working class done good' it's most probably not being bought buy some squillionaire as a Ford Escort for their collection but by someone employed to look after their investments & that's all it is. It could be a rare watch, car, piece of art, property etc etc as long as it makes money they don't care & probably aren't even aware where the investment is being made. Pretty much the same as you or I paying into a pension fund, I don't have a Scooby Doo what it's invested into other than it's making money for me. It could be guns or indian sweat shop factories for all I know!.
J4CKO said:
There cant be many folk wanting a 100k Escort where that kind of money is negligible, it was always a bit of a blue collar car, working class hero, a geezer car. Ok, there will be some working class done well types about, owns a chain of shops or something but even to someone with a few million, its a fair chunk of cash and the global super rich with bottomless supplies of cash, Oil Sheikhs, Oligarchs, Tech billionaires generally wont have the MK2 Escort on their radar, it is largely peculiar to Brits and a few European countries as a prized item
Yeah, maybe someone like below
Only two years ago I saw a low mileage RS500 auction for £67,500 and at the time we thought *that* was a lot of money. £112k is just ridiculous.
I know it's a collectors issue but dynamically a modern hot Megane or even diesel BMW 430D would blow a RS500 so far into the weeds it would never come out afterwards... the market is truly, truly bonkers.
I know it's a collectors issue but dynamically a modern hot Megane or even diesel BMW 430D would blow a RS500 so far into the weeds it would never come out afterwards... the market is truly, truly bonkers.
J4CKO said:
I think the old Escorts have an image that is second to none, they mean so many things to so many people.
Rallying success at the time got young lads to want one and stick Cibie Oscars and Forest arches on, now those chaps are getting older they have money and want one again, or they missed out first time round, younger lads are getting in on the act as well.
This is true of many classic cars, but the Escort is the perfect storm, it was accessible at the time so a big pool of nostalgia, it was all pervasive (Scalextrix models, rallying, rallycross, lots on the road), they looked so right and drove well.
I do like them but my issue is I will never have one, even if I had the money they have long since transcended their actual worth to me, there are a million cars at 100k, or even 20k I would buy before an Escort.
I bought a MK1 Audi TT for 2 grand, loads about now, but will dissapear, I think they will rise in value, not why I bought it, that was as I didnt have a larger budget and had always fancied one, and I hear the scoffing, but go back to 1990 and try telling anyone that in 2017 MK2 Escorts will be worth 20, 30, 100k.
We love to get nostalgic, anything currently familiar is treated with disdain as we feel we can always lay our hands on one and they are cheap, but go and try and get that decent MK1 MX5 you always fancied, loads about for 1500 or less, yeah, there were but they aint about now !
I worked for a dealer in 1988 and dropped an Escort MK2 PX at our workshop, it looked half decent but got told it wasnt worth repairing, bit of rust, needed a few bits of welding and wasnt worth the effort, choice was the auction but that was further away so dropped it at the scrappers.
You are so right - I sold my RS2000 for about £2,500 back in the 80s. Rallying success at the time got young lads to want one and stick Cibie Oscars and Forest arches on, now those chaps are getting older they have money and want one again, or they missed out first time round, younger lads are getting in on the act as well.
This is true of many classic cars, but the Escort is the perfect storm, it was accessible at the time so a big pool of nostalgia, it was all pervasive (Scalextrix models, rallying, rallycross, lots on the road), they looked so right and drove well.
I do like them but my issue is I will never have one, even if I had the money they have long since transcended their actual worth to me, there are a million cars at 100k, or even 20k I would buy before an Escort.
I bought a MK1 Audi TT for 2 grand, loads about now, but will dissapear, I think they will rise in value, not why I bought it, that was as I didnt have a larger budget and had always fancied one, and I hear the scoffing, but go back to 1990 and try telling anyone that in 2017 MK2 Escorts will be worth 20, 30, 100k.
We love to get nostalgic, anything currently familiar is treated with disdain as we feel we can always lay our hands on one and they are cheap, but go and try and get that decent MK1 MX5 you always fancied, loads about for 1500 or less, yeah, there were but they aint about now !
I worked for a dealer in 1988 and dropped an Escort MK2 PX at our workshop, it looked half decent but got told it wasnt worth repairing, bit of rust, needed a few bits of welding and wasnt worth the effort, choice was the auction but that was further away so dropped it at the scrappers.
But 3 years ago I bought a BMW 325ti Sport for just under £2K, and it's just so much better in every way! The RS2000 wouldn't know which way it went in a comparison!
A mate of mine buys and sells classics and keeps telling me I need to get one, but then he doesn't keep any which may be a clue!
I had two Capri 2.8is in the 80s, but I wouldn't want to pay what they fetch now - I'm happy with my similarly priced Z4 Coupe, and another 100 bhp!
Nostalgia is expensive.
Mr Tidy said:
You are so right - I sold my RS2000 for about £2,500 back in the 80s.
But 3 years ago I bought a BMW 325ti Sport for just under £2K, and it's just so much better in every way! The RS2000 wouldn't know which way it went in a comparison!
True, so many old valuable cars make little sense on a price vs performance basis against something newer with poke. I'd like to see how a mildly updated RS with a more modern standard 160bhp engine ( say an XE and 5-speed box ) would compare on a daily basisBut 3 years ago I bought a BMW 325ti Sport for just under £2K, and it's just so much better in every way! The RS2000 wouldn't know which way it went in a comparison!
though just for fun
They were such a great compact size and still get 4 in
I guess that is the appeal of Singers for 964 fans
s m said:
True, so many old valuable cars make little sense on a price vs performance basis against something newer with poke. I'd like to see how a mildly updated RS with a more modern standard 160bhp engine ( say an XE and 5-speed box ) would compare on a daily basis
though just for fun
They were such a great compact size and still get 4 in
I guess that is the appeal of Singers for 964 fans
Back in the late 80's a friend of mine had a mint mk1 RS2000 with a genuine 167 bhp , it was on twin 48's, steel crank, forged pistons, full spec race head etc etc. I think it revved close to 8k, and got there real fast. I'd have that car over any hot Focus/Megane/Civic today.though just for fun
They were such a great compact size and still get 4 in
I guess that is the appeal of Singers for 964 fans
blade7 said:
s m said:
True, so many old valuable cars make little sense on a price vs performance basis against something newer with poke. I'd like to see how a mildly updated RS with a more modern standard 160bhp engine ( say an XE and 5-speed box ) would compare on a daily basis
though just for fun
They were such a great compact size and still get 4 in
I guess that is the appeal of Singers for 964 fans
Back in the late 80's a friend of mine had a mint mk1 RS2000 with a genuine 167 bhp , it was on twin 48's, steel crank, forged pistons, full spec race head etc etc. I think it revved close to 8k, and got there real fast. I'd have that car over any hot Focus/Megane/Civic today.though just for fun
They were such a great compact size and still get 4 in
I guess that is the appeal of Singers for 964 fans
Something that’s caught my eye... actually I’ve always loved them, and is comparable to the Escort....
http://www.angliacarauctions.co.uk/en/classic-auct...
http://www.angliacarauctions.co.uk/en/classic-auct...
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