RE: Tesla Roadster: 'Quickest car in the world'
Discussion
8V085 said:
Legitimise as most words has multiple meanings, one of which is to make something look like something that it isn't. So don't imply things and don't look for drama.
They launched as a ride sharing platform, where in fact they have very little to do with ride sharing (except that thing you just pointed out). They are technically a minicab service run utilising gaps in legislation without having to jump through all the regulatory hoops. This helps them undercut those who have to offer services in line with established requirements. They deploy surge pricing wherever they feel like, which no legally operating cab service running with public in mind can since most are capped at the max rate which was designed to stop cowboys from taking advantage of public. Not to mention that their long term commitment is to eliminate all cabs and run their own cars without drivers.
Not sure about that. Legitimise is to make Legitimate. Legitimate being to comply with the law and rules. No drama, just tread carefully!They launched as a ride sharing platform, where in fact they have very little to do with ride sharing (except that thing you just pointed out). They are technically a minicab service run utilising gaps in legislation without having to jump through all the regulatory hoops. This helps them undercut those who have to offer services in line with established requirements. They deploy surge pricing wherever they feel like, which no legally operating cab service running with public in mind can since most are capped at the max rate which was designed to stop cowboys from taking advantage of public. Not to mention that their long term commitment is to eliminate all cabs and run their own cars without drivers.
Anyway, your summation is more so the UK model. In every other country it works differently and WAY better. Try using Uber in the US, crushingly effective because they are NOT cab drivers, they are usual people, verified, that fill gaps of demand using their own cars. It's so effective, the yellow cabs drivers have now joined the platform.
On top of that, there is Uber car sharing where you can, well, share a ride.
Bloomberg analysis - In the last 12 months Tesla have been burning through its cash pile at a rate of $8,000 a minute or $480,000 an hour. Without rising new funds they will be out of cash in 9 months - early August if they continue at this rate (a big if).
They expect Tesla will need to raise $2 billion by mid 2018 though, last set of bonds they sold are currently worth less than issued so may need to sell more shares.
Lets hope Model 3 starts shipping without any further issues.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-21...
They expect Tesla will need to raise $2 billion by mid 2018 though, last set of bonds they sold are currently worth less than issued so may need to sell more shares.
Lets hope Model 3 starts shipping without any further issues.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-21...
Ares said:
traxx said:
I guess the key difference is that Ferrari show you a car with a real spec (which they stick to) and delivery of customer cars dont start 4 years into the future
I dont actually doubt the 0-60 figures but when other manufactures talk about speeds of 250mph they give long explanations of the aerodynamic issues - tbh the Tesla doesn't look that aerodynamic
But the main thing is when you go to buy are Ferrari they aren't interested in telling you how fast the car will go in a straight line its how fast you can round a corner that matters
If this car were anything other than a publicity effort then Tesla would have put up some track videos - because thats what someone buying a 250,000 sports car wants to see
I have much more time for the NIO EP9 - looks better, they took it to Nurburgring and it worked
This Tesla isn't really a Ferrari competitor. But when Ferrari first announce a new car, they show you a picture and a bunch of 'PR'. At least Tesla had a working car when it was first announced.I dont actually doubt the 0-60 figures but when other manufactures talk about speeds of 250mph they give long explanations of the aerodynamic issues - tbh the Tesla doesn't look that aerodynamic
But the main thing is when you go to buy are Ferrari they aren't interested in telling you how fast the car will go in a straight line its how fast you can round a corner that matters
If this car were anything other than a publicity effort then Tesla would have put up some track videos - because thats what someone buying a 250,000 sports car wants to see
I have much more time for the NIO EP9 - looks better, they took it to Nurburgring and it worked
wst said:
AW111 said:
That's a shame, as Musk had one or two genuine rocket scientists on his payroll...
Obviously. That's how he's got rockets that land on barges, get refuelled and sent into space a week later.
If you can land a rocket on a barge in the sea, sooner or later you'll figure out a car assembly line and supply chain management! RumbleOfThunder said:
955matt said:
t really depends on the tyre used. All I'm saying is that given there are numerous tests of Cup2 tyres (as used on the demo car) braking at only 1.2-1.3g. You're not going to have a car magically accelerating at 1.4+ just because it's a Tesla and no matter how much extra battery or power it has as 0-60 has been largely tyre limited for a good long while. I accept by 2020 a tyre might well exist that can do that though.
Have you not been drag racing ??????????????
As stated earlier in the thread a 1.4g peak has already been recorded in a Model S, so the tyre can do it. I don't think it unreasonable to suggest it can be sustained over a long period with more power and less weight of the Roadster.Have you not been drag racing ??????????????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uca_jNh2M4
'cup 2's are the grippiest tyres you'll find' + other things. Similar to those on the dodge (nito drag radials..) which peaked 1.8gs or something
traxx said:
Thats not true at every recent Ferrari launch they have working cars there and they love talking to you about every aspect of the car - for example nothing has changed between the launch cars they showed us in Italy for the 812/Portofino and the production versions
But the launch is seldom the first you hear about the car Otispunkmeyer said:
As an aside to all this
https://www.standard.co.uk/business/tesla-is-set-t...
Bloomberg reckons they'll be out of dosh in 9 months if they don't bring in some more coin.
I have to say, asking for $250k up front for what is essentially a prototype (the new Roadster) that won't be seen rolling off the line for at least 2 years is pretty brazen given the faff they're having over under-delivering on the 3.
I do think it'll all come out rosy in the end, but they're essentially operating on promises at the moment.
I think Apple should spend some of that gigantic cash pile they have. Apple and Tesla surely a match made in heaven. Still, roasting through $480k a day is no joke!
People have been claiming Tesla are going bust for the last 10 years. People used to claim Apple and Amazon were going bust too.https://www.standard.co.uk/business/tesla-is-set-t...
Bloomberg reckons they'll be out of dosh in 9 months if they don't bring in some more coin.
I have to say, asking for $250k up front for what is essentially a prototype (the new Roadster) that won't be seen rolling off the line for at least 2 years is pretty brazen given the faff they're having over under-delivering on the 3.
I do think it'll all come out rosy in the end, but they're essentially operating on promises at the moment.
I think Apple should spend some of that gigantic cash pile they have. Apple and Tesla surely a match made in heaven. Still, roasting through $480k a day is no joke!
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Wednesday 22 November 17:20
With the model3 now shipping to actual customers and not Tesla staff I think they are out of the nightmare situation finally. 6 months late but out of it.
Building a car is far more capital intensive and complex than building an online retail middleman business. It would be foolish to think of them as the same.
Even if they manage to get a hold of their production problems, the numbers don't add up. It's faith based investing in a market with major players already established. Despite all the bluster they are doing nothing new, they are making a car. That's all it is to 99.9% of the world.
If someone can show me how this company will ever generate a profit, i'm all ears.
Even if they manage to get a hold of their production problems, the numbers don't add up. It's faith based investing in a market with major players already established. Despite all the bluster they are doing nothing new, they are making a car. That's all it is to 99.9% of the world.
If someone can show me how this company will ever generate a profit, i'm all ears.
jjwilde said:
People used to claim Apple and Amazon were going bust too.
Apple only survived the mid 90's because they were rescued by Microsoft. No one should doubt TSLA will survive, it's how much they need to dilute shareholders along the way to do so. Model 3 doesn't need to ship, it needs to ship in BIG numbers, soon, to avoid another capital raise. I really hope it makes it over the hump but to dismiss the danger is not rational.fblm said:
jjwilde said:
People used to claim Apple and Amazon were going bust too.
Apple only survived the mid 90's because they were rescued by Microsoft. No one should doubt TSLA will survive, it's how much they need to dilute shareholders along the way to do so. Model 3 doesn't need to ship, it needs to ship in BIG numbers, soon, to avoid another capital raise. I really hope it makes it over the hump but to dismiss the danger is not rational.fblm said:
Apple only survived the mid 90's because they were rescued by Microsoft. No one should doubt TSLA will survive, it's how much they need to dilute shareholders along the way to do so. Model 3 doesn't need to ship, it needs to ship in BIG numbers, soon, to avoid another capital raise. I really hope it makes it over the hump but to dismiss the danger is not rational.
I hadn't really appreciated the numbers involved. A quick google reveals that Tesla have taken around 500,000 deposits for the Model 3 and have so far delivered 220 cars.That's frankly unbelievable incompetence on their part.
fblm said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
Just call them Tesla. It is their name after all and it's only one additional letter.
Well I was talking about their shares and it is the name of their shares after all and it is only one less letter so, no.boxerTen said:
fblm said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
Just call them Tesla. It is their name after all and it's only one additional letter.
Well I was talking about their shares and it is the name of their shares after all and it is only one less letter so, no.
RumbleOfThunder said:
boxerTen said:
fblm said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
Just call them Tesla. It is their name after all and it's only one additional letter.
Well I was talking about their shares and it is the name of their shares after all and it is only one less letter so, no.myself said:
DonkeyApple said:
When talking about a company it's perfectly common practice to refer to the ticker. It would make sense to use the ticker when talking about the product. It's in fact a useful differentiator.
All above is true only if you're one of these guys.
Outside of these situations calling Tesla TSLA is unnecessary. It's like calling water H2O e.g. I had some Perrier H2O for dinner yesterday. Or shall I say I had some LPE:EN H2O for dinner yesterday.
8V085 said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
boxerTen said:
fblm said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
Just call them Tesla. It is their name after all and it's only one additional letter.
Well I was talking about their shares and it is the name of their shares after all and it is only one less letter so, no.myself said:
DonkeyApple said:
When talking about a company it's perfectly common practice to refer to the ticker. It would make sense to use the ticker when talking about the product. It's in fact a useful differentiator.
All above is true only if you're one of these guys.Outside of these situations calling Tesla TSLA is unnecessary. It's like calling water H2O e.g. I had some Perrier H2O for dinner yesterday. Or shall I say I had some LPE:EN H2O for dinner yesterday.
Nanook said:
suffolk009 said:
I hadn't really appreciated the numbers involved. A quick google reveals that Tesla have taken around 500,000 deposits for the Model 3 and have so far delivered 220 cars.
That's frankly unbelievable incompetence on their part.
Is there a cap on how many orders they can take, before they have to have delivered a certain amount?That's frankly unbelievable incompetence on their part.
Airbus have taken 169 orders for the new A350-1000, and they haven't delivered a single one! Ridiculous incompetence! Or, alternatively, a useless figure than means absolutely nothing?
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