RE: Tesla Roadster: 'Quickest car in the world'
Discussion
Max_Torque said:
jsf said:
If they have made a fundamental error in the design of their production line
Exactly the sort of thing that GM or FORD would have sorted out in the first morning they took over!
isaldiri said:
otolith said:
Relatively low volume expensive sports car is a piece of piss compared to succeeding with the model 3. That’s what will determine their fate, the roadster is largely irrelevant.
I was more talking about what the roaster might be to drive, not it's impact on Tesla's financials.boxerTen said:
Re: the "Tesla will fail" / "No they won't" discussion.
I don't think it's going to fail. They've done the hard part and they should be able crack mass production relatively easily given that it's been done a hundred times before. Wouldn't be plonking down a non escrowed 250k deposit just yet though!WestyCarl said:
Saab crashed because no one wanted one.
Tesla have problems at the moment, some are of their own making and some are due to the model 3 success. However they have a potential order bank of maybe $15bn.
What happened to Saab (and many others) is they make a huge investment, don't get close to sales projections and run out of money. Tesla is in a completely different position.
Making cars is a much easier problem to solve than getting the market to accept the car and orders.
The only bit that matters there is; "run out of money".Tesla have problems at the moment, some are of their own making and some are due to the model 3 success. However they have a potential order bank of maybe $15bn.
What happened to Saab (and many others) is they make a huge investment, don't get close to sales projections and run out of money. Tesla is in a completely different position.
Making cars is a much easier problem to solve than getting the market to accept the car and orders.
I once had an unpleasant meeting with a liquidator who explained to me the only reason any company ever goes bust is that they run out of cash.
jsf said:
Max_Torque said:
So. Tesla go bust tomorrow.
And on Monday, they will either:
1) be bailed out by the US government (as per GM etc)
or
2) Be snapped up by GM or Ford for cents in the dollar
And on Tuesday, they will be back in business. The only difference might be the sign above the front door......
That will depend on what value is in the business.And on Monday, they will either:
1) be bailed out by the US government (as per GM etc)
or
2) Be snapped up by GM or Ford for cents in the dollar
And on Tuesday, they will be back in business. The only difference might be the sign above the front door......
If they have made a fundamental error in the design of their production line which means even with the debt written off they will still lose money making a car, they may just bin the whole thing and just buy the IP, if that has any value to the big players.
Creating a profitable business on the scale of Tesla takes time. There is no rule that says a business must fail because in any given period it didn't turn a profit.
Some of the most profitable businesses in the world spent a long time making losses before reaching the scale required.
Some of the most profitable businesses in the world spent a long time making losses before reaching the scale required.
RobDickinson said:
SidewaysSi said:
All a bit one trick pony. And it's hardly a sports car for those who like driving....
Such a shame, by the way when did you drive it?RobDickinson said:
Top gear with some reasoned thoughts on the roadster and truck.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/heres-wh...
That article is almost entirely fanboyish guesswork. It's hardly into the second paragraph before he reveals his logic as the good old 'it's possible because undisclosed future battery tech' argument. The low-hanging fruit from Li-ion batteries have already been taken. It'll be a revolution in battery tech that will change the game next, and what's to say, one year after release, suddenly the new Roadster will be utterly superseded by new battery tech that'll make it an instant, heavy, slow-charging dinosaur itself? https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/heres-wh...
98elise said:
jsf said:
Max_Torque said:
So. Tesla go bust tomorrow.
And on Monday, they will either:
1) be bailed out by the US government (as per GM etc)
or
2) Be snapped up by GM or Ford for cents in the dollar
And on Tuesday, they will be back in business. The only difference might be the sign above the front door......
That will depend on what value is in the business.And on Monday, they will either:
1) be bailed out by the US government (as per GM etc)
or
2) Be snapped up by GM or Ford for cents in the dollar
And on Tuesday, they will be back in business. The only difference might be the sign above the front door......
If they have made a fundamental error in the design of their production line which means even with the debt written off they will still lose money making a car, they may just bin the whole thing and just buy the IP, if that has any value to the big players.
Churning out cars even if they manage to get the numbers up is no indication they are doing it for a profit, some of the most popular cars sold lost money on every sale for years, the original BMC mini being one of the most well known.
Getting the cars out the door is the easy bit too, what a brand lives and dies by is its after sales support and that's not looking world class is it? Once you ramp up volume if that's not right production hell is a minor issue.
8V085 said:
WestyCarl said:
Saab got no investment because Sales went from roughly 2000: 133k units 2008: 95k units, 2009: 21k units. It's not surprising nobody would prop them up.
You need to stop twisting the truth to fit your agenda. Read until it clicks: Saab had willing Chinese investors who were blocked by GM. Demand had nothing to do with it.So why do you think Saab needed investment in the first place? I'm guessing it because their income (vehicle demand) dropped by a factor of 4.
The scrappage scheme in 2009 was put in place to try and stimulate car demand to protect the European car Industry, without it alot of European car makers would have needed balling out (as per some USA car makers)
Edited by WestyCarl on Saturday 25th November 14:43
RobDickinson said:
SidewaysSi said:
All a bit one trick pony. And it's hardly a sports car for those who like driving....
Such a shame, by the way when did you drive it?I see the point of the Model S and X in that they are everyday tools for someone who has something decent for the weekend.
But a Tesla as a weekend fun car? Pull the other one..
SidewaysSi said:
Do I need to? I like the sound of an engine, unassisted steering, a proper gearbox and lightweight with sorted suspension. The Tesla will give none of these.
I see the point of the Model S and X in that they are everyday tools for someone who has something decent for the weekend.
But a Tesla as a weekend fun car? Pull the other one..
How about a car that is actually feasible as an everyday car.I see the point of the Model S and X in that they are everyday tools for someone who has something decent for the weekend.
But a Tesla as a weekend fun car? Pull the other one..
But with the stats to match million dollar hypercars?
I don't think they'd ever pretend it to be a lightweight track monster tbh, just like the veyron doesn't.
ZesPak said:
SidewaysSi said:
Do I need to? I like the sound of an engine, unassisted steering, a proper gearbox and lightweight with sorted suspension. The Tesla will give none of these.
I see the point of the Model S and X in that they are everyday tools for someone who has something decent for the weekend.
But a Tesla as a weekend fun car? Pull the other one..
How about a car that is actually feasible as an everyday car.I see the point of the Model S and X in that they are everyday tools for someone who has something decent for the weekend.
But a Tesla as a weekend fun car? Pull the other one..
But with the stats to match million dollar hypercars?
I don't think they'd ever pretend it to be a lightweight track monster tbh, just like the veyron doesn't.
I don't like a Veyron etc but even that will be a damn sight more exciting than the Musk mobile.
Model S/X makes sense. This does not IMO.
I've been a passenger in a Tesla S. The driver was keen to show of how the car handles (and the autonomous function). He gave it a quick squirt on the straights, no denying it is quick when launching, but then once that burst of the acceleration was over he was back to driving it like my mother in a Honda Jazz.
I may be wrong, but I suspect the Tesla roadster will will be a bloody quick dragster, and decidedly average in all the other areas that you might wish to enjoy a "sports" car.
I may be wrong, but I suspect the Tesla roadster will will be a bloody quick dragster, and decidedly average in all the other areas that you might wish to enjoy a "sports" car.
NDNDNDND said:
It's going to weigh more than two tonnes. It's going to be more 'Bentley continental' than 'Lotus Elise'... You hardly need to have driven it know that. The Model S weighs probably slightly less, and in that Chris Harris vid it struggled to contain its mass such that it made Harris and everyone else in the car feel ill.
Probably weight around 2 tons yes.You realise the 911 turbo S cab is 1750kgs and its 2017? No one is comparing this against a 1000kg elise...
RobDickinson said:
NDNDNDND said:
It's going to weigh more than two tonnes. It's going to be more 'Bentley continental' than 'Lotus Elise'... You hardly need to have driven it know that. The Model S weighs probably slightly less, and in that Chris Harris vid it struggled to contain its mass such that it made Harris and everyone else in the car feel ill.
Probably weight around 2 tons yes.You realise the 911 turbo S cab is 1750kgs and its 2017? No one is comparing this against a 1000kg elise...
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