Methods of a car thief - unmasked

[Mr2Mike]

jkh112 said:

Conventional keys have security vulnerabilities.

Yes, involving physical access to the key and/or lock barrel. You can't stand outside someone's home (minimising risk, and hence maximising appeal to the theives) and perform a man in the middle attack with a physical key.

If/when it goes wrong it will also be an expensive nightmare.

[av185]

Ayahuasca said:

What about the method where they fly a helicopter above the car and lower a large electromagnet to whisk the car away? I think I saw a documentary on this once.

Yep, Wacky Races.

[oobster]

talksthetorque said:

I think the most important thing to be taken from this is to be aware of your keys.

The first one I heard about - I think it locks your gearstick - I think it's called a Shift Key.

The second is to stop people stealing your tyre valve covers.

That's called a Caps Lock Key

Very good!

[Ashtray83]

[quote=rallycross]

If you've never had the pleasure/misfortune of visiting Bradford this video tells you all you need to know about Bradford.

Also a good case for the inclusion of a new word to the OED - 'ramping'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU-WSF4aMyE

Is this what happens when negotiations on buying a new Bentley turn sour? (only in Bradford)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptQe_MYnSqY

Bradford, England (no idea what caused this)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukk-lWQ8sBk

Christ what a dump hole.... no offence

[70proof]

Blanchimont said:

I drive a car with Keyless entry and go, and I've not heard of one having keys cloned and taken. They don't seem to be on thieves radar (thankfully) It's not like I live in a leafy area where a newspaper not being delivered makes local news.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/94918/tests-uncover-major-security-risk-to-keyless-cars

[Pommy]

70proof said:

Blanchimont said:

I drive a car with Keyless entry and go, and I've not heard of one having keys cloned and taken. They don't seem to be on thieves radar (thankfully) It's not like I live in a leafy area where a newspaper not being delivered makes local news.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/94918/tests-uncover-major-security-risk-to-keyless-cars

That’s a test dude - very different from a real example where it happened.

[MuscleSaloon]

Pommy said:

70proof said:

Blanchimont said:

I drive a car with Keyless entry and go, and I've not heard of one having keys cloned and taken. They don't seem to be on thieves radar (thankfully) It's not like I live in a leafy area where a newspaper not being delivered makes local news.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/94918/tests-uncover-major-security-risk-to-keyless-cars

That’s a test dude - very different from a real example where it happened.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/866987/car-theft-hack-keyless-entry-video-BMW-stolen

[Pommy]

MuscleSaloon said:

Pommy said:

70proof said:

Blanchimont said:

I drive a car with Keyless entry and go, and I've not heard of one having keys cloned and taken. They don't seem to be on thieves radar (thankfully) It's not like I live in a leafy area where a newspaper not being delivered makes local news.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/94918/tests-uncover-major-security-risk-to-keyless-cars

That’s a test dude - very different from a real example where it happened.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/866987/car-theft-hack-keyless-entry-video-BMW-stolen

That’s more like it

[70proof]

Pommy said:

That’s more like it

I linked to the same story on page 1 of this thread fwiw

Do car manufacturers really care... Don't think so, they overproduce so if one gets nicked they get to sell another....

Do insurers take the hit, no, they pass the costs on to us, and hike premiums...

Edited by 70proof on Monday 20th November 05:02

[lord trumpton]

Stants said:

Friend has thier mk2 focus Rs taken from the drive the other week, obviously stolen to order as there was a new RS & sti parked on the same drive

Not necessarily...have you seen the reviews of the MK3 RS? Not even a car thief wants one as the block will likely be cracked. Not that fast either

[anonymous-user]

lord trumpton said:

Stants said:

Friend has thier mk2 focus Rs taken from the drive the other week, obviously stolen to order as there was a new RS & sti parked on the same drive

Not necessarily...have you seen the reviews of the MK3 RS? Not even a car thief wants one as the block will likely be cracked. Not that fast either

[captain_cynic]

WJNB said:

'Culturally miss-matched & poor' you mean.

Also, areas with high populations have higher incidents of crime. In other news, we cover the colour of the sky and is the Pope really catholic.

But yes, areas with more poverty tend to have more crime... who'd a thunk.

[Pommy]

70proof said:

Pommy said:

That’s more like it

I linked to the same story on page 1 of this thread fwiw

Do car manufacturers really care... Don't think so, they overproduce so if one gets nicked they get to sell another....

Do insurers take the hit, no, they pass the costs on to us, and hike premiums...

Edited by 70proof on Monday 20th November 05:02

The problem is you think you’ve come up with all this information that no one knows already - people do but ultimately if thieves want your car they’ll get it.

No one on here is thinking ‘oh I never knew that’ - we’re not daily mail readers.

Car thieves have been stealing cars since cars were invented.

Deadlocks, immobilisers, Clifford systems. on cossies, steering locks - keep going - always penetratable.

[Europa1]

70proof said:

thieves use an ariel receiver

Edited by 70proof on Sunday 19th November 19:32

Where does that sit in their model range?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[The Mad Monk]

rallycross said:

The Mad Monk said:

What does that mean?

If you've never had the pleasure/misfortune of visiting Bradford this video tells you all you need to know about Bradford.

Also a good case for the inclusion of a new word to the OED - 'ramping'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU-WSF4aMyE

Is this what happens when negotiations on buying a new Bentley turn sour? (only in Bradford)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptQe_MYnSqY

Bradford, England (no idea what caused this)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukk-lWQ8sBk

Edited by rallycross on Sunday 19th November 17:51

Edited by rallycross on Sunday 19th November 17:53

The videos all show that mobile phones should be held in landscape mode when filming. Don't start me on that again, I got told off last time. Can't think why.

[Ninja59]

Pommy said:

The problem is you think you’ve come up with all this information that no one knows already - people do but ultimately if thieves want your car they’ll get it.

No one on here is thinking ‘oh I never knew that’ - we’re not daily mail readers.

Car thieves have been stealing cars since cars were invented.

Deadlocks, immobilisers, Clifford systems. on cossies, steering locks - keep going - always penetratable.

It is about layers of security though. The biggest issue here unfortunately is lack of actual police to prevent crime (and either way you like it or not the stretched forces will always prioritise life over a material item), in addition to some degree is also the failure of the justice system to discourage others from doing it.

Added to this is in higher poverty areas with larger gang (or even organised crime) issues is a disengaged and maligned section of society that see/have no real "future", and are more likely/willing to use extreme violence. More or less the perfect candidates for more organised crime groups to use them to do the lower grafting work...

Ignoring that for one moment you also have this section of society which have grown up with technology like all of the teens and 20 somethings. They get it and know (or at least know ways to get to know i.e. the internet) how to exploit weaknesses in said technology, combine that with some of our eastern nations that seem to be the leaders in supplying these tools...

From a car manufacturers (and suppliers) point of view it is a complete and utter failure to provide protection in the same way we would protect essential servers,cloud products or even our own tablets, laptops and phones at a more "personal" level. Our desire for tech as well has just made the situation worse as well.

At the moment from at least what I am seeing and reading breaking and entering just for the keys (with or without violence) and the relay attack seem the most common.

[Ayahuasca]

jkh112 said:

Ayahuasca said:

What about the method where they fly a helicopter above the car and lower a large electromagnet to whisk the car away? I think I saw a documentary on this once.

The best way to combat this is to make sure you buy a car with a carbon fibre roof. This is why BMW fit them to the most stolen cars in their range.

Best way is always to be aware of where the nearest tunnel or bridge is. Then, when you hear the helicopter, make a dash for it.

[Pommy]

Ninja59 said:

Pommy said:

The problem is you think you’ve come up with all this information that no one knows already - people do but ultimately if thieves want your car they’ll get it.

No one on here is thinking ‘oh I never knew that’ - we’re not daily mail readers.

Car thieves have been stealing cars since cars were invented.

Deadlocks, immobilisers, Clifford systems. on cossies, steering locks - keep going - always penetratable.

It is about layers of security though. The biggest issue here unfortunately is lack of actual police to prevent crime (and either way you like it or not the stretched forces will always prioritise life over a material item), in addition to some degree is also the failure of the justice system to discourage others from doing it.

Added to this is in higher poverty areas with larger gang (or even organised crime) issues is a disengaged and maligned section of society that see/have no real "future", and are more likely/willing to use extreme violence. More or less the perfect candidates for more organised crime groups to use them to do the lower grafting work...

Ignoring that for one moment you also have this section of society which have grown up with technology like all of the teens and 20 somethings. They get it and know (or at least know ways to get to know i.e. the internet) how to exploit weaknesses in said technology, combine that with some of our eastern nations that seem to be the leaders in supplying these tools...

From a car manufacturers (and suppliers) point of view it is a complete and utter failure to provide protection in the same way we would protect essential servers,cloud products or even our own tablets, laptops and phones at a more "personal" level. Our desire for tech as well has just made the situation worse as well.

At the moment from at least what I am seeing and reading breaking and entering just for the keys (with or without violence) and the relay attack seem the most common.

I think the manufacturers are doing more and more actually to prevent crime and thieves are mostly just resorting to good old fashioned ‘just take the key’ - nothing a manufacturer can do about that.

As for scanning the keyless system, well they live been doing that since the early 90’s and the keyfob plippers came out.

Before that they invented the immobiliser so people couldn’t jimmy the lock.

Basically the advancement of tech has effectively taken car thieving in the main back to basics with the occasional tech for tech thefts.

I think I roll my eyes when an op starts a thread including nuggets like ‘car jacking is on the rise so it’s wise to close your windows, lock your doors and have your wits about you’ - really?! Thanks Captain Obvious.

The people having Audi RS3’s nicked off their driveways of Manchester are no different to the people who had their Cossie nicked off their driveway in the early 90’s just now the thieves don’t have the ease of a stty ford lock, they have to break in as house security isn’t as good as car security.

One day they’ll have retina locks and there’ll be daily mail stories of eyes being plucked out or some other sensationalist headline. As wealth evolves so do those who want it

[xjay1337]

Ayahuasca said:

Best way is always to be aware of where the nearest tunnel or bridge is. Then, when you hear the helicopter, make a dash for it.

I've actually seen that happen near me. I would recommend covering the roof in felt to avoid.

[grumpy52]

The basics are they need access to your keys .
The latest cars have an electronic key , just a coded signal .
No key and they tend to move on to the next easy target .
As others have said it's a matter of layers of security ,slow them down and make them work for it .