RE: Mercedes-AMG E63 S vs Audi RS6 Performance

RE: Mercedes-AMG E63 S vs Audi RS6 Performance

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AlpinaB5s

159 posts

158 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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Twoshoe said:
DanS said:
You should test the new Alpina B5 touring against these. It’s the only v8 in the new 5 series, and the only performance touring. 608bhp. 0-62 in 3.5 205mph £89k before options.
Erm, I think you'll find the M5 is also a V8.
Picky.

Its the only V8 touring in the 5 series range.

Twoshoe

847 posts

183 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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AlpinaB5s said:
Picky.

Its the only V8 touring in the 5 series range.
Ah, ok, fair enough.

givablondabone

5,478 posts

154 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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nick-8e3se said:
Matt, you're at it again. If you're comparing 2 cars it's " which is better" not "best". If grammar isn't important you shouldn't be a journalist.
And if you'd really rather comment on the grammar rather than these two cars then perhaps you shouldn't be a car enthusiast?

rolleyes


pppppppppppppppp

169 posts

121 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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IanCress said:
Got to love PH. Read a story about 2 of the fastest estate cars available, and all people comment on is grammar and the fact it would be better as a 2L diesel. I'm sure half the people on here are on the wrong website.
You mean Diesel? It was a guy's name after all ;-)

I generally don't get bothered by grammar but I do when it comes from journalists. It's their job to get it right, and anything which slips through should be picked up by an editor. Fifth Gear annoyed me the most: "Here are two cars? But which is best?". Er, neither of them seeing as you're comparing more than two.
It's not difficult (to some) to get right but conversely there's nothing wrong with someone who knows a lot about cars to not have a first-class degree in English. That's the point of editors.

As for the cars, I've always loved these things. They're really for their home turf: Southern Germany. They can tank it down the autobahn and can do a good job of lugging a boot load of skiing equipment up into the Alps for a weekend. Where I live (half a mile from PH HQ) parking on the street is a necessity and most journeys involve traffic, traffic and more traffic.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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Both nice cars sure, but neither really stand out or seem anything special in a world today where there are so many capable new cars out there.

Why would anyone in their right mind part with the best part of £100k for one of these (or lease one at huge cost every month), where for £15-20k you could be driving round in one of the absolute finest examples of this motoring icon?

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

There was an immaculate 29,000 mile example of the C5 RS6 that went for around £20k recently on here. Far more special than either of these newer cars and even with a few £1,000 set aside for maintaining the thing, you'd still be quids in when you came to sell it.

Personally I don't get it I really don't, but then again I'm thankful for those willing to take the huge depreciation hit on something new like this so that the likes of me can enjoy the same thrill at a fraction of the cost.

popeyewhite

19,622 posts

119 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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Andy20vt said:
Far more special than either of these newer cars and even with a few £1,000 set aside for maintaining the thing...
You'd need a bit more than that to sharpen a C5 up so it was special. And even then it would be nowhere near as good as the C6 IMO.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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popeyewhite said:
You'd need a bit more than that to sharpen a C5 up so it was special. And even then it would be nowhere near as good as the C6 IMO.
Fine, well same applies - a good low mileage C6 can be had at around £20k with the absolute best of the best, serviced and pampered to within an inch of it's life being up at between £25-30K.

No need to spend £100 grand!

yellowstreak

613 posts

151 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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Andy20vt said:
Both nice cars sure, but neither really stand out or seem anything special in a world today where there are so many capable new cars out there.

Why would anyone in their right mind part with the best part of £100k for one of these (or lease one at huge cost every month), where for £15-20k you could be driving round in one of the absolute finest examples of this motoring icon?

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

There was an immaculate 29,000 mile example of the C5 RS6 that went for around £20k recently on here. Far more special than either of these newer cars and even with a few £1,000 set aside for maintaining the thing, you'd still be quids in when you came to sell it.

Personally I don't get it I really don't, but then again I'm thankful for those willing to take the huge depreciation hit on something new like this so that the likes of me can enjoy the same thrill at a fraction of the cost.
I think for a number of reasons - not least the risk that it will lunch its gearbox. I think a £1000 contingency fund might be a bit light. You could make the same argument about one of the v10 cars, however there are plenty of people who want a new car, need an estate and AWD and can soak up the depreciation and running costs of one of these cars without blinking. Its that simple.

Like you I'm hoping that enough of these are bought to be affordable in a few years time.

Charybdis

73 posts

283 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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Well Mercydes has never been particularly good at uberholt prestige. If such a thing is important to you, try a Lembo or a Furary. But if you hate uberholt prestige then always buy a Volkswagon.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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yellowstreak said:
I think for a number of reasons - not least the risk that it will lunch its gearbox. I think a £1000 contingency fund might be a bit light. You could make the same argument about one of the v10 cars, however there are plenty of people who want a new car, need an estate and AWD and can soak up the depreciation and running costs of one of these cars without blinking. Its that simple.

Like you I'm hoping that enough of these are bought to be affordable in a few years time.
Sorry, meant a few £1,000 contingency. Even with the odd £5-6k bill on an older car, you'd still be saving tens of thousands in the longer term.

I would be in a position to spend £100k on a new RS6, in cash, yet for reasons of sense - and because I prefer older cars, and don't feel the need to keep up with the Jones's (or anyone else for that matter) I would rather not spend my money in this way. I'm astounded that others would, but then again I am happy that they do, so that in a few years time I can enjoy depreciation free motoring in a semi-classic vehicle.

popeyewhite

19,622 posts

119 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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Andy20vt said:
popeyewhite said:
You'd need a bit more than that to sharpen a C5 up so it was special. And even then it would be nowhere near as good as the C6 IMO.
Fine, well same applies - a good low mileage C6 can be had at around £20k with the absolute best of the best, serviced and pampered to within an inch of it's life being up at between £25-30K.

No need to spend £100 grand!
Reckon you could get one for £80k, a pampered low-mileage 09 would be c.£32K, difference of £48k. How much is it worth to someone with enough money? Who knows? Mercedes still has an aura and Audi none, so I could understand forking out for the Merc, but a big Audi? Mmmm. Maybe you're right, it's an awful lot of cash.

Blue62

8,749 posts

151 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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Andy20vt said:
Sorry, meant a few £1,000 contingency. Even with the odd £5-6k bill on an older car, you'd still be saving tens of thousands in the longer term.

I would be in a position to spend £100k on a new RS6, in cash, yet for reasons of sense - and because I prefer older cars, and don't feel the need to keep up with the Jones's (or anyone else for that matter) I would rather not spend my money in this way. I'm astounded that others would, but then again I am happy that they do, so that in a few years time I can enjoy depreciation free motoring in a semi-classic vehicle.
Your posts are quite bizarre, if you are benefitting from profligate souls like me why bother to stick your head above the parapet? Just carry on milking us sad "keep up with the Jones's'' types and laugh all the way to the bank. Maybe that chip is weighing too heavily on your shoulder, but for me, the RS is a daily, I've done well out of life and apart from leaving a bit for the kids I intend to blow the rest on what I want to do with my money, hope that's ok with you.

James_B

12,642 posts

256 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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culpz said:
It's all the typical supercar comments that you'd usually get, that are now even being applied to quick estate cars:.
I thought about an RS6 instead of my M3, but decided that the extra power, while nice, would just be used far too infrequently to be used as part of the decision.

I do think it’s a valid point, to ask if there’s much point in pushing power further.

At this point I’d prefer that the next generations of fast Audi’s drop the power a tiny bit and instead see if they can drop the weight and put back a bit of the feel that the B7 RS4 had.

Interestingly (to me), I don’t yet feel the same about sportier cars. My R8 has 550bhp, and I wouldn’t mind even more in that.

ruhall

506 posts

145 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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culpz said:
It's all the typical supercar comments that you'd usually get, that are now even being applied to quick estate cars:

"what's the point in having all that power?", "where are you supposed to use it all?", "why didn't you just get a diesel?", "i don't really see the point?", etc.

It's either the wrong site or the correct site, depending on how you view of the place. I expect nothing less now;' It's no longer a site for enthusiasts anymore.
I'm not sure that's true. You can still be an enthusiast and be irritated by poor grammar. I've noted that many journalists use the term
'bested', as in 'the Audi was bested by the AMG'. Where did that come from? The problem is that it puts you off reading the report, hardly what a journalist should be aiming for.

However, the changes to education policy since the late 70s are probably to blame, rather than the individuals.

The comments 'what's the point in all that power', 'where are you supposed to use it' etc. are actually quite valid. I find some of the older classic cars more enjoyable or fun to drive than some of my modern cars. Yes, the new ones are fantastic pieces of engineering, very competent and reasonably quick but it's true, there are limited places on the roads where you can enjoy anything like their full performance.

Years ago I had an old 2CV. Not exactly quick but it was great fun trying to maintain the momentum; you really felt as if you were 'driving' it, even if it felt as if the door handles would touch the road surface when cornering.

W124

1,497 posts

137 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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A while ago picked up an RS6 from near Southampton. An RS6+ I think. Something like that. I drove down in a Seat Mii. The absolutely basic one. Honestly, and without hyperbole, I had more fun in the Seat.

When you pick up and move cars for a living, you see them differently. To enjoy yourself in the Audi, you’re just going way, way, way too fast.

Just driving about normally - it’s a great big pudding with a silly exhaust.

Each to their own of course.

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

169 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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Spoken like a true Merc owner.

Deep

2,064 posts

242 months

Monday 27th November 2017
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Absolutely bizarre.

People banging on about buying a diesel instead, how there are speed cameras everywhere and grammar mistakes.

This is pistonheads. If you don't like fast expensive cars go elsewhere.


W124

1,497 posts

137 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Fair point. Wouldn’t have the Merc either though.

W124

1,497 posts

137 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Deep said:
Absolutely bizarre.

People banging on about buying a diesel instead, how there are speed cameras everywhere and grammar mistakes.

This is pistonheads. If you don't like fast expensive cars go elsewhere.
Oh come on. Fast expensive cars are great. Just not these ones. Also, Pistonheads is a broad church. Nobody gets to choose some gold standard of cool or interesting cars. It’s just cars in general.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Blue62 said:
Your posts are quite bizarre, if you are benefitting from profligate souls like me why bother to stick your head above the parapet? Just carry on milking us sad "keep up with the Jones's'' types and laugh all the way to the bank. Maybe that chip is weighing too heavily on your shoulder, but for me, the RS is a daily, I've done well out of life and apart from leaving a bit for the kids I intend to blow the rest on what I want to do with my money, hope that's ok with you.
Sorry, not meant in that way so apologies if you've assumed that me or others are trying to get one over on you - we're really not.

I was simply pointing out the financial fallacy of buying a new RS6 v's a well cared for example that's a few years old. What you (or anyone else) does with their money is your own choice and only you can know whether that 'new car smell' is worth an extra £60k or so. For me it isn't, but please don't take it as a personal insult - it wasn't meant like that. Simply my opinion, that's all.