RE: A birthday wish for Lancia
Discussion
I know I keep reposting this Chris Harris vid, but it is one of my favourites; and also my favourite cars.
Lancia Stratos, 037 and Delta S4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXgWWNJVdYA&t=...
Always lots of praise for the Audi Quattros of the early Group B years, but lest we forget it was the rear wheel drive 037 which took the manufacturers world championship in 1983; piloted by Walter Rohrl.
Lancia also 'took' some great names in rally history - Attilio Bettega (037), Henri Toivonen and Sergio Cresto (Delta S4). RIP.
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Love this - Paolo Andreucci in the 037 :
“It’s very, er, easy in the faster; because we have the weight is a very low".
Lancia Stratos, 037 and Delta S4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXgWWNJVdYA&t=...
Always lots of praise for the Audi Quattros of the early Group B years, but lest we forget it was the rear wheel drive 037 which took the manufacturers world championship in 1983; piloted by Walter Rohrl.
Lancia also 'took' some great names in rally history - Attilio Bettega (037), Henri Toivonen and Sergio Cresto (Delta S4). RIP.
S
Love this - Paolo Andreucci in the 037 :
“It’s very, er, easy in the faster; because we have the weight is a very low".
ess said:
I know I keep reposting this Chris Harris vid, but it is one of my favourites; and also my favourite cars.
Lancia Stratos, 037 and Delta S4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXgWWNJVdYA&t=...
Always lots of praise for the Audi Quattros of the early Group B years, but lest we forget it was the rear wheel drive 037 which took the manufacturers world championship in 1983; piloted by Walter Rohrl.
Lancia also 'took' some great names in rally history - Attilio Bettega (037), Henri Toivonen and Sergio Cresto (Delta S4). RIP.
S
Love this - Paolo Andreucci in the 037 :
“It’s very, er, easy in the faster; because we have the weight is a very low".
Keep posting it - I watch it every time! Truly magic.Lancia Stratos, 037 and Delta S4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXgWWNJVdYA&t=...
Always lots of praise for the Audi Quattros of the early Group B years, but lest we forget it was the rear wheel drive 037 which took the manufacturers world championship in 1983; piloted by Walter Rohrl.
Lancia also 'took' some great names in rally history - Attilio Bettega (037), Henri Toivonen and Sergio Cresto (Delta S4). RIP.
S
Love this - Paolo Andreucci in the 037 :
“It’s very, er, easy in the faster; because we have the weight is a very low".
One of my old man's vehicles of note (he had an incredibly eclectic taste, R080, Fiat 124 sport coupe, x2, Pagoda SL, Peugeot 504, and 404 'family' thing which seated all of us, just, Humber Hawk - you get the drift) was a 2000 inezione - what a tool! Flat four engine and growled like it was enjoying a seriously good spanking!
Green velour, gearstick like a throbbing man-thing sticking out of a velour-faced Formica box, everything square-ish and curtains in the back too.
All that bonkersness and yet, a really cool presence.
To prosper you need to be relevant. Lancia once were, no longer are. I think of them as a British Jag. Jag once were, and churned out crap for years, masquerading on previous glories. It didn't wash. No one believed an X or S-Type was a fitting tribute, they were thinking backward not forwards. They needed to be great again, then they were bought out by the Indians. They understood, they bought out an F-Type, worthy of the series if not E levels of gorgeous, bought out the F-Pace, crap name gorgeous car, and seem to continue to greater strengths.
Lancia need to evolve, sell to the Indians or VW, reinvent. It sounds sacrilege, but a German owned company namely Rolls is doing pretty well at the mo. BMW seemingly understand 'British' better than us Brits, couldn't a foreign owner understand Italian better than the Italians?
Lancia need to evolve, sell to the Indians or VW, reinvent. It sounds sacrilege, but a German owned company namely Rolls is doing pretty well at the mo. BMW seemingly understand 'British' better than us Brits, couldn't a foreign owner understand Italian better than the Italians?
Edited by Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah on Wednesday 29th November 22:18
Nice to see a once great manufacturer being remembered.
They made some fantastic cars, very much over engineered and maybe too much attention to detail to make any money - until they became a watered down sub brand of Fiat - but even then the cars still had their own style/charm.
I never got to own any of the older cars but have driven them / tried to buy them before the prices went up eg Fulvia and Flaminia.
My Lancia's were 1976-1990 things like Beta coupe and Hpe in 1.3/1.6/2.0ie/2.0vx Prisma 1.6ie and Delta Gt's and Y10 Gt, they really had their own style about them something that's rare to find in modern cars where they are all good but also all very Similar.
They made some fantastic cars, very much over engineered and maybe too much attention to detail to make any money - until they became a watered down sub brand of Fiat - but even then the cars still had their own style/charm.
I never got to own any of the older cars but have driven them / tried to buy them before the prices went up eg Fulvia and Flaminia.
My Lancia's were 1976-1990 things like Beta coupe and Hpe in 1.3/1.6/2.0ie/2.0vx Prisma 1.6ie and Delta Gt's and Y10 Gt, they really had their own style about them something that's rare to find in modern cars where they are all good but also all very Similar.
Twoshoe said:
HotPepperpots said:
Happy birthday Lancia!
Ooh, looks like my old one - not H304NRF by any chance?
Well not so many around now but no not the same car.Ooh, looks like my old one - not H304NRF by any chance?
How long ago did you have yours?
Going to have to wait till spring to get mine back on the road, it suffers from winter allergies!🤧
HotPepperpots said:
Well not so many around now but no not the same car.
How long ago did you have yours?
Going to have to wait till spring to get mine back on the road, it suffers from winter allergies!??
I had mine from 96 until 2006. Until very recently I thought it had long since been scrapped, as the penultimate MOT expired in 2009, but then out of the blue it got a new MOT in September this year - quite heartwarming in a soppy kind of way!How long ago did you have yours?
Going to have to wait till spring to get mine back on the road, it suffers from winter allergies!??
Top Gear's Lancia tribute from S14.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1RKpdFjE4I
...and...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBKBrC9Zv44
As others have said, if Skoda can be revived, so can Lancia. I am old enough to remember Skoda in the pre-VW era, the rubbish they built and how they were the butt of all jokes, even more so than Lada. It just needs the will and money to do it.
As for concepts... one of these please.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/lancia/strato...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1RKpdFjE4I
...and...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBKBrC9Zv44
As others have said, if Skoda can be revived, so can Lancia. I am old enough to remember Skoda in the pre-VW era, the rubbish they built and how they were the butt of all jokes, even more so than Lada. It just needs the will and money to do it.
As for concepts... one of these please.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/lancia/strato...
rastapasta said:
Simca, Talbot, SAAB. wa wa wa. Lancia are dead . If they are to develop a new (for example) Delta Integrale, how many of us would actually buy it??? The people who reminisce about the 'glory days' of the WRC would not be the aimed demographic for such a car anymore as they are probably pushing 60 years old now. People move on and the 30-40 year old age group demographic would sooner have a Golf GTI or an M3 or a Focus on steriods!! why?? because Lancia means very little to people nowadays. Subaru have learned this with the last few itinerations of the Impreza STI. The people are not there anymore to buy these cars. It would take a massive marketing campaign and a shedload of money to put such a car on the buying publics radar. Maybe re entering rallying would work ala subaru and McCrae. But the cash isnt there. And wont be.
Marchionnes job is to please the shareholders and make FCA as profitable as possible. A new Lancia Delta wont do that for sure, the last one didnt. And an Integrale sure as hell wont. We need to get over Lancia.
They were f
king rustbuckets anyway.
You sound more like a market analyst than somebody with an interest in car marques and their history .If you did even a little research about cars like the Fulvia , Aurelia , Lambda as well as the more obvious greats like the Stratos and Integrale you might not be quite so dismissive. Yup- Betas rusted - as did most things of the same era ....Marchionnes job is to please the shareholders and make FCA as profitable as possible. A new Lancia Delta wont do that for sure, the last one didnt. And an Integrale sure as hell wont. We need to get over Lancia.
They were f
king rustbuckets anyway. I wan't be getting over Lancia , as you put it , but I at least agree with you that the chance of a resurgence is not high
Thurbs said:
Top Gear's Lancia tribute from S14.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1RKpdFjE4I
...and...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBKBrC9Zv44
As others have said, if Skoda can be revived, so can Lancia. I am old enough to remember Skoda in the pre-VW era, the rubbish they built and how they were the butt of all jokes, even more so than Lada. It just needs the will and money to do it.
As for concepts... one of these please.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/lancia/strato...
I rarely like retro, but love these. Weren't they a Ferrari F430 underpinning, and made in small numbers - for stupid £, like £500k?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1RKpdFjE4I
...and...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBKBrC9Zv44
As others have said, if Skoda can be revived, so can Lancia. I am old enough to remember Skoda in the pre-VW era, the rubbish they built and how they were the butt of all jokes, even more so than Lada. It just needs the will and money to do it.
As for concepts... one of these please.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/lancia/strato...
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
I rarely like retro, but love these. Weren't they a Ferrari F430 underpinning, and made in small numbers - for stupid £, like £500k?
On a totally unrelated note Mr Krog, hope you got your flat tyre sorted this morning?I was the guy in the white Caddy that let you know, only reason I realised it was you was noticed the sign writing on your van and both in the furniture business.
Edited by selnic on Thursday 30th November 19:52
Im a Lancia boy. Unashamedly.
I was brought up on the family runnings Betas, Gammas, HPEs.
When the time came I had my own Integrale...EVO 1 Verde Yorke. Anyone who has needed a new rear valance in the last 8yrs Im proud to say has come from a mould taken from mine by Tanc Barratt when we found the only one available!
So, something I noted immediately upon my initial test drive 3 months ago and then picked up again when I got my new car and made mention of elsewhere but it is my contention that the Alfa 4C is not an Alfa - it is in fact a Lancia.
Sit in it. Feel it. Start it. Drive it. I will go to my grave swearing blind that somebody in Alfa wheeled out a few Lancia boys to put on the 4C. If you are a Lancia boy, that car screams Stratos, 037 and integrale DNA in every underlying way except its final handling characteristics and thats only because it had to have "circuit" handling as its an Alfa. A pair of spacers from Jamie @ Alfaworks soon corrects that and reveals it as the devastating weapon it is.
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I was brought up on the family runnings Betas, Gammas, HPEs.
When the time came I had my own Integrale...EVO 1 Verde Yorke. Anyone who has needed a new rear valance in the last 8yrs Im proud to say has come from a mould taken from mine by Tanc Barratt when we found the only one available!
So, something I noted immediately upon my initial test drive 3 months ago and then picked up again when I got my new car and made mention of elsewhere but it is my contention that the Alfa 4C is not an Alfa - it is in fact a Lancia.
Sit in it. Feel it. Start it. Drive it. I will go to my grave swearing blind that somebody in Alfa wheeled out a few Lancia boys to put on the 4C. If you are a Lancia boy, that car screams Stratos, 037 and integrale DNA in every underlying way except its final handling characteristics and thats only because it had to have "circuit" handling as its an Alfa. A pair of spacers from Jamie @ Alfaworks soon corrects that and reveals it as the devastating weapon it is.
[url]|https://thumbsnap.com/lITzKg98[/url]selnic said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
I rarely like retro, but love these. Weren't they a Ferrari F430 underpinning, and made in small numbers - for stupid £, like £500k?
On a totally unrelated note Mr Krog, hope you got your flat tyre sorted this morning?I was the guy in the white Caddy that let you know, only reason I realised it was you was noticed the sign writing on your van and both in the furniture business.
Edited by selnic on Thursday 30th November 19:52
I know you cant be bulls
ting me as the only person I've told of it since was todays customer and my wife! I pulled off at the next roundabout, pulled in to a churches car park, jacked it up and swapped it over within 20 minutes. A nail remained in the tyre, obvs letting out air slowly. Thank you to you, your gf/wife/f
k buddy what ever the relation she is for telling me, and sorry for my first response being 'oh bks!'rastapasta said:
Simca, Talbot, SAAB. wa wa wa. Lancia are dead . If they are to develop a new (for example) Delta Integrale, how many of us would actually buy it??? The people who reminisce about the 'glory days' of the WRC would not be the aimed demographic for such a car anymore as they are probably pushing 60 years old now. People move on and the 30-40 year old age group demographic would sooner have a Golf GTI or an M3 or a Focus on steriods!! why?? because Lancia means very little to people nowadays. Subaru have learned this with the last few itinerations of the Impreza STI. The people are not there anymore to buy these cars. It would take a massive marketing campaign and a shedload of money to put such a car on the buying publics radar. Maybe re entering rallying would work ala subaru and McCrae. But the cash isnt there. And wont be.
Marchionnes job is to please the shareholders and make FCA as profitable as possible. A new Lancia Delta wont do that for sure, the last one didnt. And an Integrale sure as hell wont. We need to get over Lancia.
They were fking rustbuckets anyway.
One could have reasonably said the same about Alfa Romeo too, however, where there is vision and determination, as much as the likes of the Giulia can be produced to seriously question the wisdom of settling with the status quo (i.e. buying an M3), which I applaud, so can something special be produced with a Lancia badge.Marchionnes job is to please the shareholders and make FCA as profitable as possible. A new Lancia Delta wont do that for sure, the last one didnt. And an Integrale sure as hell wont. We need to get over Lancia.
They were f
king rustbuckets anyway. I am 37. I bought my first Lancia at the age of 34. Reason? I was old enough to appreciate the successes achieved by this legendary brand. Every time, I mean EVERY TIME, I take the EVO 2 out, it gets thumbs up and people come over to chat about the car, and interestingly, I find a lot of these individuals who approach me, are in their early to mid twenties.
Some do not know what it is, granted, however an overwhelming majority of this age bracket do know what the car represents. Perhaps this is to do a lot with the PS3/XBox Gaming mediums which more or less educate car enthusiasts of the glory days of the WRC. I am not sure, however I see a lot of you tube posts of the Group B and Group A era Lancias too, uploaded by (presumably) the younger generation. I may be wrong.
What I am confident about is that the brand still lives on in thew hearts of many enthusiasts, the world over and this to a degree explains why the value of these vehicles are appreciating.
Legends never die. This applies to legendary cars too, which is why I too, would want to see the FCA reintroduce the brand. If they could come up with an M3 beating Giulia within 18 months, they too, could engineer a very special Lancia (with the help of Ferrari of course).
It is shame that the WRC has lost its cachet among motorsport enthusiasts, but whilst Lancia was to WRC what the M3 was to Touring Cars, with some ingenuity, the brand can bounce back!
I say bring it on!
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