RE: Rover 75 V8: Spotted

RE: Rover 75 V8: Spotted

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anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 16th December 2017
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AppleJuice said:
Barchettaman said:
I don't think SAAB used the M51 BMW engine. Vauxhall/Opel did in the Omega.

SAAB (and Opel and Renault) used an Isuzu V6 CDTi engine, in the 9-5, Vectra/Signum, Espace/Vel Satis.
Correct.

MG Rover considered using the 3.0 DMAX V6 in the 75 post-BMW break-up:

Former MG Rover homolgation engineer Nic Fasci said:
MGR toyed with the idea of a 3.0L Isuzu diesel into R75. I went to many package meetings to discuss this – not really sure why it died – maybe the proposed tie up with Fiat killed it
Yes why would you have developed your diesel options in the early 00s when you could have invested your very limited time and resources into re-engineering your entire car from FWD to RWD so you can put an absolute boat anchor of a V8 in it instead. Or, and here is a really crazy idea, fix the issue with sky high rates of HGF on your volume selling engine:

"Speaking in confidence to AROnline before the company went into administration, one production engineer said: “we knew exactly what we needed to do to put the K-Series right, but management simply wouldn’t allow us to do it… it was frustrating to see such a fine engine dragged through the gutter by mean spirited management.”"

banghead


Edited by dme123 on Saturday 16th December 17:21

AppleJuice

2,154 posts

84 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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dme123 said:
Yes why would you have developed your diesel options in the early 00s
MGR management temporarily stopped development in early '00s of the 2.0-litre 8v/16v G-Series common-rail diesel which would have been leading in power/torque (163 PS/380 Nm) when it would have been launched in 2005/2006:



Engineering budget of...50p? Bloody good work from the MGR engineers (new internals and Siemens common-rail system - L-Series block, sump and some minor components were the only items carried over)

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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It seems I owe the 75's interior colour schemes an apology. They are not (quite) the least tasteful interiors ever inflicted on drivers.


(from https://www.pistonheads.com/features/ph-features/p...)

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

254 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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AppleJuice said:
Engineering budget of...50p? Bloody good work from the MGR engineers (new internals and Siemens common-rail system - L-Series block, sump and some minor components were the only items carried over)
The MGR engineers performed many small miracles over the years given the pathetic budget they had.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Mr2Mike said:
AppleJuice said:
Engineering budget of...50p? Bloody good work from the MGR engineers (new internals and Siemens common-rail system - L-Series block, sump and some minor components were the only items carried over)
The MGR engineers performed many small miracles over the years given the pathetic budget they had.
Agreed, proper "five loaves and two fish" engineering from Rover Group and latterly MGR, although my sympathy for their plight does not extend to turning a blind eye to the shortcomings of the products.

Can't say the same about the BMC/Leyland/BL guys who burned through a fortune to produce mostly st hehe

carinaman

21,224 posts

171 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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Roush supercharged one on eBay for £17K


anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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carinaman said:
Roush supercharged one on eBay for £17K

You’d think for seventeen grand they’d sort out the faded bonnet badge.

Is there a longship fondler quite mad enough to spend £17k on an aftermarket tuner molested version of what was essentially an aftermarket tuner molested car to start with?

craigjm

17,909 posts

199 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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dme123 said:
carinaman said:
Roush supercharged one on eBay for £17K

You’d think for seventeen grand they’d sort out the faded bonnet badge.

Is there a longship fondler quite mad enough to spend £17k on an aftermarket tuner molested version of what was essentially an aftermarket tuner molested car to start with?
Hardly molested. It’s a mustang engine and Roush are well respected

tobinen

9,184 posts

144 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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dme123 said:
longship fondler
I have no idea what this means but I like it

craigjm

17,909 posts

199 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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tobinen said:
dme123 said:
longship fondler
I have no idea what this means but I like it
Rover badge is a Viking longship

skyrover

12,668 posts

203 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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Amanitin said:
Mr2Mike said:
1.4 litres for an extra 40bhp
peak horsepower is almost meaningless in public traffic when you are already close to 300 to begin with.
500 Nm of torque at disposal from 1500 RPM on the other hand, that's as far from meaningless as you can get.
It was a taxi engine...



Low strung, simple, mass produced. Diesel-like torque for half the cost.

it was not a performance engine, despite being shoe-horned into the mustang. GM's small block had far more potential.

WarrenL

3 posts

22 months

Friday 13th May 2022
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166 Rover 75 V8s were made, or 167 if you include the Geneva show car, which started life as a ZT 260. I own chassis number 771 (out of 883), a 75 V8. It's a anachronistic bucket of bolts, but surprisingly more than the sum of its parts. The engine, transmission, and car are well matched, and it's a lovely wafting cruiser. Beautifully balanced, with nicely weighted steering, steady handling, and a Bentley-like ride, it's a testament to the MG Rover engineers who were able to do so much with so little. Of course it was going to fail! The ZT 260 was a stupid enough idea, but the silly soft Rover version was suicide. That's why so few were made! But often those quirky failures have the kind of character that endears them long after the hoopla has subsided. The Rover 75 V8 is that kind of car. It is charismatic, characterful, and beloved by its enthusiast owners. Sounds great too. In 2022 the prices are rising and more often than not examples are ending up in the hands of collectors when they come up for sale.

biggbn

22,818 posts

219 months

Friday 13th May 2022
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WarrenL said:
166 Rover 75 V8s were made, or 167 if you include the Geneva show car, which started life as a ZT 260. I own chassis number 771 (out of 883), a 75 V8. It's a anachronistic bucket of bolts, but surprisingly more than the sum of its parts. The engine, transmission, and car are well matched, and it's a lovely wafting cruiser. Beautifully balanced, with nicely weighted steering, steady handling, and a Bentley-like ride, it's a testament to the MG Rover engineers who were able to do so much with so little. Of course it was going to fail! The ZT 260 was a stupid enough idea, but the silly soft Rover version was suicide. That's why so few were made! But often those quirky failures have the kind of character that endears them long after the hoopla has subsided. The Rover 75 V8 is that kind of car. It is charismatic, characterful, and beloved by its enthusiast owners. Sounds great too. In 2022 the prices are rising and more often than not examples are ending up in the hands of collectors when they come up for sale.
Much prefer the 75 v8 ethos to the ZT260, a modern day P5B if you like..

aaron_2000

5,407 posts

82 months

Friday 13th May 2022
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biggbn said:
WarrenL said:
166 Rover 75 V8s were made, or 167 if you include the Geneva show car, which started life as a ZT 260. I own chassis number 771 (out of 883), a 75 V8. It's a anachronistic bucket of bolts, but surprisingly more than the sum of its parts. The engine, transmission, and car are well matched, and it's a lovely wafting cruiser. Beautifully balanced, with nicely weighted steering, steady handling, and a Bentley-like ride, it's a testament to the MG Rover engineers who were able to do so much with so little. Of course it was going to fail! The ZT 260 was a stupid enough idea, but the silly soft Rover version was suicide. That's why so few were made! But often those quirky failures have the kind of character that endears them long after the hoopla has subsided. The Rover 75 V8 is that kind of car. It is charismatic, characterful, and beloved by its enthusiast owners. Sounds great too. In 2022 the prices are rising and more often than not examples are ending up in the hands of collectors when they come up for sale.
Much prefer the 75 v8 ethos to the ZT260, a modern day P5B if you like..
Same, a proper old school Rover vibe to it