RE: Audi RS6 Avant: Spotted
Discussion
DanielSan said:
Don’t forget to factor in the inevitable gearbox replacement/recondition 
That's what the £150/mth allows for some of, but even if you increased this to £250/mth as a contingency then you'd still be quids in over 3 years. Or if you buy a car that's had the work done recently and is generally well sorted then you wont need to worry.Sorry probably Golf R wasn't the best car to compare against as it's a different tyre of car. Comparing like for like (estate car with estate car), £350/mth on a lease deal would get you some fairly bland and low powered derivative of a new A4 Avant.
Andy20vt said:
Man maths would say rather than shell out the best part of £350 a month for the lease of a new hot hatch (Golf R or similar), why not buy one of these instead for £10k? Even ran the costs below for a comparison (excluding tax/insurance which should be fairly similar for both cars - (Audi RS avants have surprisingly cheap insurance).
GOLF R
Leasing Costs (10k miles per year) (with deposit spread across payments) = £350/mth
Servicing Allowance = £50/mth
Fuel (10k miles per year) = £130/mth
TOTAL costs over 3 years = £19,080
C5 RS6
Loan Costs to purchase (assume £10k loan taken out over 36 mths) = £290/mth
Servicing Allowance = £150/mth
Fuel (10k miles per year) = £230/mth
TOTAL costs over 3 years = £24,120
However at the end of 10 years you will still have an RS6 which you will own outright worth a minimum of £10,000 (possibly much more as the cars could well appreciate like the RS2 & B5 RS4's). This brings the total costs of the RS6 over 3 years to £14,120
So what would you rather have for three years - a modern Euro Box with a 4cyl engine and a farty fake exhaust sound that every man an his dog seem to be driving these days? Or perhaps save yourself £5,000 over three years and drive round in a monster 450hp, Cosworth fettled, twin turbo V8 estate with an epic reputation, that also happens to be as rare as hens teeth?
For me its a no brainer. RS6 is the sensible and the money saving option.
Let me guess did you used to own a Fiat Coupe 20v turbo?GOLF R
Leasing Costs (10k miles per year) (with deposit spread across payments) = £350/mth
Servicing Allowance = £50/mth
Fuel (10k miles per year) = £130/mth
TOTAL costs over 3 years = £19,080
C5 RS6
Loan Costs to purchase (assume £10k loan taken out over 36 mths) = £290/mth
Servicing Allowance = £150/mth
Fuel (10k miles per year) = £230/mth
TOTAL costs over 3 years = £24,120
However at the end of 10 years you will still have an RS6 which you will own outright worth a minimum of £10,000 (possibly much more as the cars could well appreciate like the RS2 & B5 RS4's). This brings the total costs of the RS6 over 3 years to £14,120
So what would you rather have for three years - a modern Euro Box with a 4cyl engine and a farty fake exhaust sound that every man an his dog seem to be driving these days? Or perhaps save yourself £5,000 over three years and drive round in a monster 450hp, Cosworth fettled, twin turbo V8 estate with an epic reputation, that also happens to be as rare as hens teeth?
For me its a no brainer. RS6 is the sensible and the money saving option.
Welshbeef said:
Andy20vt said:
Man maths would say rather than shell out the best part of £350 a month for the lease of a new hot hatch (Golf R or similar), why not buy one of these instead for £10k? Even ran the costs below for a comparison (excluding tax/insurance which should be fairly similar for both cars - (Audi RS avants have surprisingly cheap insurance).
GOLF R
Leasing Costs (10k miles per year) (with deposit spread across payments) = £350/mth
Servicing Allowance = £50/mth
Fuel (10k miles per year) = £130/mth
TOTAL costs over 3 years = £19,080
C5 RS6
Loan Costs to purchase (assume £10k loan taken out over 36 mths) = £290/mth
Servicing Allowance = £150/mth
Fuel (10k miles per year) = £230/mth
TOTAL costs over 3 years = £24,120
However at the end of 10 years you will still have an RS6 which you will own outright worth a minimum of £10,000 (possibly much more as the cars could well appreciate like the RS2 & B5 RS4's). This brings the total costs of the RS6 over 3 years to £14,120
So what would you rather have for three years - a modern Euro Box with a 4cyl engine and a farty fake exhaust sound that every man an his dog seem to be driving these days? Or perhaps save yourself £5,000 over three years and drive round in a monster 450hp, Cosworth fettled, twin turbo V8 estate with an epic reputation, that also happens to be as rare as hens teeth?
For me its a no brainer. RS6 is the sensible and the money saving option.
Let me guess did you used to own a Fiat Coupe 20v turbo?GOLF R
Leasing Costs (10k miles per year) (with deposit spread across payments) = £350/mth
Servicing Allowance = £50/mth
Fuel (10k miles per year) = £130/mth
TOTAL costs over 3 years = £19,080
C5 RS6
Loan Costs to purchase (assume £10k loan taken out over 36 mths) = £290/mth
Servicing Allowance = £150/mth
Fuel (10k miles per year) = £230/mth
TOTAL costs over 3 years = £24,120
However at the end of 10 years you will still have an RS6 which you will own outright worth a minimum of £10,000 (possibly much more as the cars could well appreciate like the RS2 & B5 RS4's). This brings the total costs of the RS6 over 3 years to £14,120
So what would you rather have for three years - a modern Euro Box with a 4cyl engine and a farty fake exhaust sound that every man an his dog seem to be driving these days? Or perhaps save yourself £5,000 over three years and drive round in a monster 450hp, Cosworth fettled, twin turbo V8 estate with an epic reputation, that also happens to be as rare as hens teeth?
For me its a no brainer. RS6 is the sensible and the money saving option.
Welshbeef said:
popeyewhite said:
No doubt it was surprisingly frugal and sold for a profit, and though every t'charged Euro Box was more reliable, quicker, comfier, and sounded better the OP would still recommend the experience.
Very few road cars sound better than a C5 RS6 bi turbo. EarlOfHazard said:
Welshbeef said:
popeyewhite said:
No doubt it was surprisingly frugal and sold for a profit, and though every t'charged Euro Box was more reliable, quicker, comfier, and sounded better the OP would still recommend the experience.
Very few road cars sound better than a C5 RS6 bi turbo. Andy20vt said:
Man maths would say rather than shell out the best part of £350 a month for the lease of a new hot hatch (Golf R or similar), why not buy one of these instead for £10k? Even ran the costs below for a comparison (excluding tax/insurance which should be fairly similar for both cars - (Audi RS avants have surprisingly cheap insurance).
GOLF R
Leasing Costs (10k miles per year) (with deposit spread across payments) = £350/mth
Servicing Allowance = £50/mth
Fuel (10k miles per year) = £130/mth
TOTAL costs over 3 years = £19,080
C5 RS6
Loan Costs to purchase (assume £10k loan taken out over 36 mths) = £290/mth
Servicing Allowance = £150/mth
Fuel (10k miles per year) = £230/mth
TOTAL costs over 3 years = £24,120
However at the end of 10 years you will still have an RS6 which you will own outright worth a minimum of £10,000 (possibly much more as the cars could well appreciate like the RS2 & B5 RS4's). This brings the total costs of the RS6 over 3 years to £14,120
So what would you rather have for three years - a modern Euro Box with a 4cyl engine and a farty fake exhaust sound that every man an his dog seem to be driving these days? Or perhaps save yourself £5,000 over three years and drive round in a monster 450hp, Cosworth fettled, twin turbo V8 estate with an epic reputation, that also happens to be as rare as hens teeth?
For me its a no brainer. RS6 is the sensible and the money saving option.
But is it more fun to drive, the Golf is surely a more nimble and capable handler, near enough as quick as it is significantly lighter ? 0-100 in 11 ish is very similar, still a a fast car but things have moved on.GOLF R
Leasing Costs (10k miles per year) (with deposit spread across payments) = £350/mth
Servicing Allowance = £50/mth
Fuel (10k miles per year) = £130/mth
TOTAL costs over 3 years = £19,080
C5 RS6
Loan Costs to purchase (assume £10k loan taken out over 36 mths) = £290/mth
Servicing Allowance = £150/mth
Fuel (10k miles per year) = £230/mth
TOTAL costs over 3 years = £24,120
However at the end of 10 years you will still have an RS6 which you will own outright worth a minimum of £10,000 (possibly much more as the cars could well appreciate like the RS2 & B5 RS4's). This brings the total costs of the RS6 over 3 years to £14,120
So what would you rather have for three years - a modern Euro Box with a 4cyl engine and a farty fake exhaust sound that every man an his dog seem to be driving these days? Or perhaps save yourself £5,000 over three years and drive round in a monster 450hp, Cosworth fettled, twin turbo V8 estate with an epic reputation, that also happens to be as rare as hens teeth?
For me its a no brainer. RS6 is the sensible and the money saving option.
The Golf is a pretty fixed cost, the RS6 is potentially more cost effective but also potentially ruinous, I had a V8 Merc and got of fairly lightly costs wise but make no mistake, if one of these has engine bother, you are in for a world of pain.
Remember these are a minimum of 13 years old, I have been sorting out my old TT, £800 in a month (some of it was improvements to be fair) , and thats only half of one of these in terms of cylinders and power, thats me buying bits secondhand or at a discount then doing the work myself. Previous owner spent two grand on various bits and this is the same age as the oldest RS6's.
£150 a month should cover it, until it needs 8 grand on a gearbox and a turbo refurb.
Buy one that someone else has had the aggro with and fixed.
Wow!!
My favourite colour combo for a C5 RS6. (Similar to my Santorin Blue / Silver Leather B5 RS4)
That is a serious amount of well maintained lowish mileage RS6 for the money.
Don't fully understand why they are as cheap as that, a similar B5 RS4 in that nick / mileage would be at least twice that!!!!
If I had the cash, I'd snap that up in a heartbeat! Oldest but best looking RS6 imho, that one is stunning!
My favourite colour combo for a C5 RS6. (Similar to my Santorin Blue / Silver Leather B5 RS4)
That is a serious amount of well maintained lowish mileage RS6 for the money.
Don't fully understand why they are as cheap as that, a similar B5 RS4 in that nick / mileage would be at least twice that!!!!
If I had the cash, I'd snap that up in a heartbeat! Oldest but best looking RS6 imho, that one is stunning!
Some of the random numbers thrown about for gearbox repairs are hilarious!!
Gearbox refurb at Suffolk gearboxes - 2k ish - which also included a gearbox map.
Yeah, there are some expensive parts - (1500 for discs and pads) but an RS6 isn't a tarted up golf, which for some reason is the benchmark for fast cars, which on a forum of car enthusiasts i am surprised about.
0-60 in under 5 seconds all whilst being able to carry half your house in the back and the rumble of a V8 Bi turbo. For 10k. Bargain.
All IMO of course
Gearbox refurb at Suffolk gearboxes - 2k ish - which also included a gearbox map.
Yeah, there are some expensive parts - (1500 for discs and pads) but an RS6 isn't a tarted up golf, which for some reason is the benchmark for fast cars, which on a forum of car enthusiasts i am surprised about.
0-60 in under 5 seconds all whilst being able to carry half your house in the back and the rumble of a V8 Bi turbo. For 10k. Bargain.
All IMO of course
I would say have a slush fund when you have an old, fast, complex car, especially if you arent hands on.
Of course you can be lucky, can be very unlucky as well, that applies with any car but the stakes are higher with stuff like this, my Merc was big and complex but this adds two turbos, a dodgy gearbox, some expensive consumables and two more driven wheels.
To be fair, not heard of any engine issues, is that the case, fairly bombproof ? do the boost hoses and associated plumbing suffer over the years ?
Of course you can be lucky, can be very unlucky as well, that applies with any car but the stakes are higher with stuff like this, my Merc was big and complex but this adds two turbos, a dodgy gearbox, some expensive consumables and two more driven wheels.
To be fair, not heard of any engine issues, is that the case, fairly bombproof ? do the boost hoses and associated plumbing suffer over the years ?
J4CKO said:
I would say have a slush fund when you have an old, fast, complex car, especially if you arent hands on.
The slush fund is the money you'd save by not leasing something brand new, oh and the likelyhood that a C5 RS6 is likely to appreciate in your ownership going forward as these cars have now reached the bottom of their depreciation curve.Strange how many folk seem terrified of a bigish bill that may, or most likely may not crop up (if you do your research and buy with care) when owning an older car. Yet the same folk don't bat an eyelid at shelling out a guaranteed several 1,000 pounds on an annual basis for a leased car?
Golf R (or similar hot hatch these days) may look nearly as quick on paper, but having driven both the Golf R and the C5 RS6, the actual on-road experience and sound feels a million miles apart IMO.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 19th December 14:40
Welshbeef said:
popeyewhite said:
Welshbeef said:
A Euro box 4 banger (Golf R say) cannot remotely compete with the noise of a C5 RS6.
One farts one has a bellowing V8 roar.
One has an after-market exhaust, so you'd hope it sounded pretty good.One farts one has a bellowing V8 roar.
I’m talking stock v stock.
Ecurie Ecosse said:
Think back to the opening scene in Layer Cake, when Daniel Craig gets into the RS6 with his henchmen and it pulls away down the cobbled mews lane and is then seen blatting down the drive of the Stoke Park golf club (as seen in Goldfinger), where Craig and his henchmen then make their entrance into the club.
Was he in that line of work to pay the upkeep 
Andy20vt said:
J4CKO said:
I would say have a slush fund when you have an old, fast, complex car, especially if you arent hands on.
The slush fund is the money you'd save by not leasing something brand new, oh and the likelyhood that a C5 RS6 is likely to appreciate in your ownership going forward as these cars have now reached the bottom of their depreciation curve.Strange how many folk seem terrified of a bigish bill that may, or most likely may not crop up (if you do your research and buy with care) when owning an older car. Yet the same folk don't bat an eyelid at shelling out a guaranteed several 1,000 pounds on an annual basis for a leased car?
Golf R (or similar hot hatch these days) may look nearly as quick on paper, but having driven both the Golf R and the C5 RS6, the actual on-road experience and sound feels a million miles apart IMO.
Edited by Andy20vt on Tuesday 19th December 14:40
If you have a ten grand budget and that is what you can afford but dont have much spare each month, these kinds of cars arent perhaps a good idea, any car can generate expense but I wouldn't get blase about older V8 twin turbo Audis with some known issues.The Mercedes cost me around £200 a month to keep it on the road, the RS6 I would expect a bit more with it being more complex, nothing major went wrong.
I would imagine a few for sale are available because they need some money spending as they have slipped into a cheaper price range and cant be kept well on a shoestring.
A lease is an upfront known cost, £1500 down and £300 a month, if it breaks its under warranty so isnt your problem, not the case with a 14 year old car, by and large, unless you buy a warranty and that will add cost.
I think it can be done fairly cost effectively, not cheaply as fuel, VED, insurance and consumables mount up on bigger cars, it is that Russian roulette thing, it doesn't have to be a massive failure but a set of tyres, brakes and a few suspension bits can add up to 3 grand very easily, for me that would leave me short for a while with kids at uni etc.
As for it appreciating, they probably are at the bottom of the curve but I dont think there are that many takers, loads would love one but the reality of it rules so many out, so they can be a hard sell, and buyers are pretty canny, you can still end up taking a loss.
Not saying dont buy one, they are a fantastic machine but there is still potential to get your fingers burnt, man maths doesnt always pan out in reality as it does on paper.
That said, sometimes you have to say f
k it and just go for it..
Leins said:
One thing that may potentially cause issues from a daily driving point of view is parts availability, something that Audi is pretty shonky with for cars over 10 years old
Not sure where you got that info from...my S8 is now 15 years old and never had any issues getting parts for it so far 
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