Hyundai i30N - 3 and a half
Discussion
Rob_R said:
It seems like you want to hate on the i130N and won't hear any opinions to the contrary. Would that be correct?
Did you actually read what I said in any of my posts? I’m simply saying (and I don’t know how times I need to repeat this) it’s a good car but not the holy grail/2nd coming/best hot hatch ever in existence
A good first attempt
Seems to be if you don’t agree with that false analogy that the i30N is best hot hatch in the history of time [trademark] then you are a hater
D200 seems very sure of his opinion on the car, so sure it seems he must have driven it himself.
I dont think anyone has called it the messiah of hot hatches or the class leader, comparing to things like the Focus RS, Golf R etc is also silly, these 300bhp plus cars now sit in Hyper Hatch territory,
This is aimed squarely at Focus ST, Golf GTi territory and if its being mentoned as a competitor to the current Golf GTi then frankly that's an achievement because although not a stellar car in any area the golf does everything very well.
This effort from Hyundai appears to be a very good one and hopefully paves the way for more interesting cars giving more chouices to us consumers and hopefully the extra competition means we get a bit better value for money.
I dont think anyone has called it the messiah of hot hatches or the class leader, comparing to things like the Focus RS, Golf R etc is also silly, these 300bhp plus cars now sit in Hyper Hatch territory,
This is aimed squarely at Focus ST, Golf GTi territory and if its being mentoned as a competitor to the current Golf GTi then frankly that's an achievement because although not a stellar car in any area the golf does everything very well.
This effort from Hyundai appears to be a very good one and hopefully paves the way for more interesting cars giving more chouices to us consumers and hopefully the extra competition means we get a bit better value for money.
D200 said:
Also, in Autocar’s performance car of the year [AND evo mag's, Top Gear's - basically every single publication] it was beaten by all other hot hatches tested - including the Civic Type R and even the Golf GTI [which has been out years and due to be replaced in not too distant future]
Autocar are in the same stable as the German publication Auto Bild, which has been in the pocket of VAG for decades....
Car-Matt said:
D200 seems very sure of his opinion on the car, so sure it seems he must have driven it himself.
I dont think anyone has called it the messiah of hot hatches or the class leader, comparing to things like the Focus RS, Golf R etc is also silly, these 300bhp plus cars now sit in Hyper Hatch territory,
This is aimed squarely at Focus ST, Golf GTi territory and if its being mentoned as a competitor to the current Golf GTi then frankly that's an achievement because although not a stellar car in any area the golf does everything very well.
This effort from Hyundai appears to be a very good one and hopefully paves the way for more interesting cars giving more chouices to us consumers and hopefully the extra competition means we get a bit better value for money.
Correct I haven’t driven it nor have I claimed to. I dont think anyone has called it the messiah of hot hatches or the class leader, comparing to things like the Focus RS, Golf R etc is also silly, these 300bhp plus cars now sit in Hyper Hatch territory,
This is aimed squarely at Focus ST, Golf GTi territory and if its being mentoned as a competitor to the current Golf GTi then frankly that's an achievement because although not a stellar car in any area the golf does everything very well.
This effort from Hyundai appears to be a very good one and hopefully paves the way for more interesting cars giving more chouices to us consumers and hopefully the extra competition means we get a bit better value for money.
Have you?
And has everyone else here who is claiming it to be a superlative hot hatch? There are lots of people here claiming even before any UK test this is the best hatch even based solely on Sutcliff launch review I guess.
I am basing my opinion of it on the full UK road tests I read and a few ‘car of the year’ comparison tests – i.e. excluding the ones were the manufacture flies the journalist out to somewhere nice and warm, puts them up a nice star hotels, wines and dines them etc. – as is standard.
Same with any test of any car – much better to wait for the UK tests of UK cars people in the UK will actually be buying.
Even the journalists themselves say this – if few out so somewhere nice, get the natural high of sunshine, nice hotel, nice food etc they generally in a good mood so best to wait to UK tests of UK car in the dreary UK to get a more comprehensive appraisal of any car
I fully understand what most publications don’t give it higher rating – as someone else said here the engine is the issue. I think the engine is the equal most important aspect of a hot hatch
Even the people who give this the higher ratings say the engine is so so at best. Doesn’t sound that good, makes all power low down etc., doesn’t rev out, a bit diesel-like. That alone would put me off it but each to their own.
As I said 576 times - it’s good, a good first effort
The more the merrier etc
But show me any UK full comparison test with ALL its rivals where this car wins?
BTW - this car is in the circa 30k hot hatch - it’s a couple of k less than 30k, as is the Golf GTI. Some others are 30k, some a couple of K more – but all around 30k. Plus in PCP terms it would be compared to all the ‘big hitters’ as some seem to call them. I would just call them competitors
And I actually think the Focus ST is below this car pricewise – it has been out a long time and you can get one brand new from a broker for not much more than 20k, 8k less than the i30N. Then you can get a manufacture approves mountune kit for a few hundred quid to make it much faster than the i30 if you want to roll out the ‘Hyundai has more power’ excuse
D200 said:
Correct I haven’t driven it nor have I claimed to.
Have you?
And has everyone else here who is claiming it to be a superlative hot hatch? There are lots of people here claiming even before any UK test this is the best hatch even based solely on Sutcliff launch review I guess.
I am basing my opinion of it on the full UK road tests I read and a few ‘car of the year’ comparison tests – i.e. excluding the ones were the manufacture flies the journalist out to somewhere nice and warm, puts them up a nice star hotels, wines and dines them etc. – as is standard.
Same with any test of any car – much better to wait for the UK tests of UK cars people in the UK will actually be buying.
Even the journalists themselves say this – if few out so somewhere nice, get the natural high of sunshine, nice hotel, nice food etc they generally in a good mood so best to wait to UK tests of UK car in the dreary UK to get a more comprehensive appraisal of any car
I fully understand what most publications don’t give it higher rating – as someone else said here the engine is the issue. I think the engine is the equal most important aspect of a hot hatch
Even the people who give this the higher ratings say the engine is so so at best. Doesn’t sound that good, makes all power low down etc., doesn’t rev out, a bit diesel-like. That alone would put me off it but each to their own.
As I said 576 times - it’s good, a good first effort
The more the merrier etc
But show me any UK full comparison test with ALL its rivals where this car wins?
BTW - this car is in the circa 30k hot hatch - it’s a couple of k less than 30k, as is the Golf GTI. Some others are 30k, some a couple of K more – but all around 30k. Plus in PCP terms it would be compared to all the ‘big hitters’ as some seem to call them. I would just call them competitors
And I actually think the Focus ST is below this car pricewise – it has been out a long time and you can get one brand new from a broker for not much more than 20k, 8k less than the i30N. Then you can get a manufacture approves mountune kit for a few hundred quid to make it much faster than the i30 if you want to roll out the ‘Hyundai has more power’ excuse
Ignoring most of the nonsense above, why compare broker prices of the ST to the full list of the Hyundai?Have you?
And has everyone else here who is claiming it to be a superlative hot hatch? There are lots of people here claiming even before any UK test this is the best hatch even based solely on Sutcliff launch review I guess.
I am basing my opinion of it on the full UK road tests I read and a few ‘car of the year’ comparison tests – i.e. excluding the ones were the manufacture flies the journalist out to somewhere nice and warm, puts them up a nice star hotels, wines and dines them etc. – as is standard.
Same with any test of any car – much better to wait for the UK tests of UK cars people in the UK will actually be buying.
Even the journalists themselves say this – if few out so somewhere nice, get the natural high of sunshine, nice hotel, nice food etc they generally in a good mood so best to wait to UK tests of UK car in the dreary UK to get a more comprehensive appraisal of any car
I fully understand what most publications don’t give it higher rating – as someone else said here the engine is the issue. I think the engine is the equal most important aspect of a hot hatch
Even the people who give this the higher ratings say the engine is so so at best. Doesn’t sound that good, makes all power low down etc., doesn’t rev out, a bit diesel-like. That alone would put me off it but each to their own.
As I said 576 times - it’s good, a good first effort
The more the merrier etc
But show me any UK full comparison test with ALL its rivals where this car wins?
BTW - this car is in the circa 30k hot hatch - it’s a couple of k less than 30k, as is the Golf GTI. Some others are 30k, some a couple of K more – but all around 30k. Plus in PCP terms it would be compared to all the ‘big hitters’ as some seem to call them. I would just call them competitors
And I actually think the Focus ST is below this car pricewise – it has been out a long time and you can get one brand new from a broker for not much more than 20k, 8k less than the i30N. Then you can get a manufacture approves mountune kit for a few hundred quid to make it much faster than the i30 if you want to roll out the ‘Hyundai has more power’ excuse
Also can you quote actual PCP prices if you are going to use them to justify points, if you can’t get PCP prices your points are inadmissible
What price is a Golf GTI with the equivalent spec of the Hyundai?
996TT02 said:
Snails said:
I have no opinion on the car, but I think it is worth noting that you used the lowest rated review I could find in order to bolster your argument.
AutoExpress
5/5
Driving.co.uk
4/5
EVO
4/5
What Car
4/5
CAR Magazine
4/5
Telegraph
4/5
Car Buyer
4.4/5
Express
9/10
The Car Expert
8.6/10
Car Throttle
"The world beater that came out of nowhere"
TopGear
"make no mistake, this is a great hot hatch."
Haha, that is called being very selective - in several dodgy industries, picking and quoting only the studies that give results that back up your product. Or inversely, as the OP has done AutoExpress
5/5
Driving.co.uk
4/5
EVO
4/5
What Car
4/5
CAR Magazine
4/5
Telegraph
4/5
Car Buyer
4.4/5
Express
9/10
The Car Expert
8.6/10
Car Throttle
"The world beater that came out of nowhere"
TopGear
"make no mistake, this is a great hot hatch."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8Jm8okC4Ck
D200 said:
Car-Matt said:
D200 seems very sure of his opinion on the car, so sure it seems he must have driven it himself.
I dont think anyone has called it the messiah of hot hatches or the class leader, comparing to things like the Focus RS, Golf R etc is also silly, these 300bhp plus cars now sit in Hyper Hatch territory,
This is aimed squarely at Focus ST, Golf GTi territory and if its being mentoned as a competitor to the current Golf GTi then frankly that's an achievement because although not a stellar car in any area the golf does everything very well.
This effort from Hyundai appears to be a very good one and hopefully paves the way for more interesting cars giving more chouices to us consumers and hopefully the extra competition means we get a bit better value for money.
Correct I haven’t driven it nor have I claimed to. I dont think anyone has called it the messiah of hot hatches or the class leader, comparing to things like the Focus RS, Golf R etc is also silly, these 300bhp plus cars now sit in Hyper Hatch territory,
This is aimed squarely at Focus ST, Golf GTi territory and if its being mentoned as a competitor to the current Golf GTi then frankly that's an achievement because although not a stellar car in any area the golf does everything very well.
This effort from Hyundai appears to be a very good one and hopefully paves the way for more interesting cars giving more chouices to us consumers and hopefully the extra competition means we get a bit better value for money.
Have you?
And has everyone else here who is claiming it to be a superlative hot hatch? There are lots of people here claiming even before any UK test this is the best hatch even based solely on Sutcliff launch review I guess.
I am basing my opinion of it on the full UK road tests I read and a few ‘car of the year’ comparison tests – i.e. excluding the ones were the manufacture flies the journalist out to somewhere nice and warm, puts them up a nice star hotels, wines and dines them etc. – as is standard.
Same with any test of any car – much better to wait for the UK tests of UK cars people in the UK will actually be buying.
Even the journalists themselves say this – if few out so somewhere nice, get the natural high of sunshine, nice hotel, nice food etc they generally in a good mood so best to wait to UK tests of UK car in the dreary UK to get a more comprehensive appraisal of any car
I fully understand what most publications don’t give it higher rating – as someone else said here the engine is the issue. I think the engine is the equal most important aspect of a hot hatch
Even the people who give this the higher ratings say the engine is so so at best. Doesn’t sound that good, makes all power low down etc., doesn’t rev out, a bit diesel-like. That alone would put me off it but each to their own.
As I said 576 times - it’s good, a good first effort
The more the merrier etc
But show me any UK full comparison test with ALL its rivals where this car wins?
BTW - this car is in the circa 30k hot hatch - it’s a couple of k less than 30k, as is the Golf GTI. Some others are 30k, some a couple of K more – but all around 30k. Plus in PCP terms it would be compared to all the ‘big hitters’ as some seem to call them. I would just call them competitors
And I actually think the Focus ST is below this car pricewise – it has been out a long time and you can get one brand new from a broker for not much more than 20k, 8k less than the i30N. Then you can get a manufacture approves mountune kit for a few hundred quid to make it much faster than the i30 if you want to roll out the ‘Hyundai has more power’ excuse
What a wally.
I remember the RS Megane was always labelled as the best drivers hatch but lost out to others because they were better all rounders in some tests.
So if the I30n turns out to be a very good drivers hatch will it be a success or failure?
At the end of the day whether it or the ST/GTI/Cupra etc are the car you end up buying will be down to each individual, it's the reason I picked the 2.5 ST over the better RS250 Megane as a track toy.
Personally I'm waiting to see what (for the I30n & Megane) the general consensus from a few tests are as my friends & I are considering one as a track (the warranty is also a nice bonus) toy.
So if the I30n turns out to be a very good drivers hatch will it be a success or failure?
At the end of the day whether it or the ST/GTI/Cupra etc are the car you end up buying will be down to each individual, it's the reason I picked the 2.5 ST over the better RS250 Megane as a track toy.
Personally I'm waiting to see what (for the I30n & Megane) the general consensus from a few tests are as my friends & I are considering one as a track (the warranty is also a nice bonus) toy.
ZX10R NIN said:
So if the I30n turns out to be a very good drivers hatch will it be a success or failure?
I think that depends on what you consider its purpose to be. It's not going to upset the established players in terms of sales - the market is far too brand driven for that. What it might do, however, is provide a much needed boost to Hyundai's brand image so future cars have more chance of success. Even just being class competitive will do that to an extent, since Hyundai have no real presence in the UK's performance car market at the moment.
Rob_R said:
It seems like you want to hate on the i130N and won't hear any opinions to the contrary. Would that be correct?
You don't know the half of it. Anything made by KIA or Hyundai gets slated furiously, yet he claims that it is, in fact, everyone else that is talking rubbish.Loves his Korean cars, does Mr D200
I've read a little and seen a couple of vids. my takeaway was that it's a fun car in the old school way (a good thing!) but lacks the finesse and roundedness of a Golf (i.e., the boring comfort stuff). That message was quite clear. so if you want fun it's on the shortlist. If you're focusing on the soft fascia it had some fails. Sutcliffe was giggling, I'm interested.
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