Car stolen and my experience
Discussion
Dog Star said:
You reckon they cooperate? I'm right on the Lancs/GMP border - as in my back garden fence is the border, can't get closer than that - when I had my bikes stolen back in 2014 I got the very distinct impression that there was bugger all cooperation and because I was in GMP it wasn't on the radar of Lancashire at all, which is annoying as I have a lot more visibility of Lancs police. I think it put me at a big disadvantage. Obviously experiences can differ.
(GMP were good though, had someone out withing half an hour, had a couple of PCSOs walking around the garden looking for anything, fingerprints lady same morning. They reckoned the bikes were being had away by east europeans - they were going through the area like a dose of salts stealing motocrossers. I was talking to one of the chaps who had had several stolen at the same time and he is a really good enduro rider, and rides all over the world; he was saying that when you're doing rounds in Poland that there are loads and loads of bikes there with all UK dealer graphics and so on - stolen.
Agree that the cooperation isn’t great most of the time and there is a “dead zone” for the villages either side of the border. However, this theft epidemic was pretty high profile and led to them having to coordinate stuff. (GMP were good though, had someone out withing half an hour, had a couple of PCSOs walking around the garden looking for anything, fingerprints lady same morning. They reckoned the bikes were being had away by east europeans - they were going through the area like a dose of salts stealing motocrossers. I was talking to one of the chaps who had had several stolen at the same time and he is a really good enduro rider, and rides all over the world; he was saying that when you're doing rounds in Poland that there are loads and loads of bikes there with all UK dealer graphics and so on - stolen.
I had SOCO out the next day and they took some decent stuff away. Had several calls from both forces looking for more info and working together, so I won’t knock them.
What was funny was that they flooded the area with cars, especially pursuit ones. Walking home from the pub the following Friday and me and a mate got pulled over and asked what we were doing etc. I don’t think they expected such a positive reaction from us about the pull.
Dog Star said:
You reckon they cooperate? I'm right on the Lancs/GMP border - as in my back garden fence is the border, can't get closer than that - when I had my bikes stolen back in 2014 I got the very distinct impression that there was bugger all cooperation and because I was in GMP it wasn't on the radar of Lancashire at all, which is annoying as I have a lot more visibility of Lancs police. I think it put me at a big disadvantage. Obviously experiences can differ.
Where we used to live, the road down the middle of the "village" used to be the county border. Different forces... If kids were being a PITA on one side, they'd be chased to the other side. And back again. And back again. And back again...TooMany2cvs said:
Where we used to live, the road down the middle of the "village" used to be the county border. Different forces... If kids were being a PITA on one side, they'd be chased to the other side. And back again. And back again. And back again...
It’s not The Dukes of Hazzard where’s you make a break for the county line and can’t be caught after you cross it. PositronicRay said:
BobSaunders said:
As i was told the other week by a policeman sat on my sofa re. something on CCTV we captured.
Unless the burglar is on the property still, they will not bother coming out or investigating. They are under resourced and must deal with serious crime or crime occuring where they have a 100% opportunity to grab them.
They are stuck dealing with paperwork, mental health, arguments (which they must treat seriously), and criminals from the night before.
That's sad but not my experience. Unless the burglar is on the property still, they will not bother coming out or investigating. They are under resourced and must deal with serious crime or crime occuring where they have a 100% opportunity to grab them.
They are stuck dealing with paperwork, mental health, arguments (which they must treat seriously), and criminals from the night before.
2 x police cars, + dog and handler. Door to door on the night, following morning forensics and another door to door.
We are central manchester - due to population size and vast inequality between neighbourhoods, burglaries and theft is SOP. You simply accept it occurs and seek to minimise the risk through compensating measures like cctv, locks, doors, blinds, lights, etc. and hope they move on.
Officer said there were 8 police per shift usually, 2 dealing with mental health issues, two on paper work, two on processing crims from night before, and two on patrol in seperate cars. They on occasion drop what they are doing and rush to help. It's all based on keywords from 999 operator. If they are long gone, they won't bother. Just repeating what he said.
Edited by BobSaunders on Friday 19th January 10:10
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Some (smaller) forces currently share HR between them.Some procurement is shared.
Lancs and Cumbria were going to be joined years ago - the idea got binned at the final stages.
It would (currently) cost more to amalgamate all forces into a national force.
I very much doubt that bureaucracy/ senior ranks would be reduced (little empires get protected).
Intel is shared between forces - especially if there is cross border activity/ high levels of a specific type of crime.
Some forces have combined specialist departments.
They will (probably) know who is responsible for the thefts of the cars on the Lancs/ GMP border.
Knowing and proving/ catching are different things though.
Gavia said:
julian64 said:
I missed this, what's your additional security now that
I’d rather not go through everything on here, just in case, even though that sounds very paranoid. Suffice to say there’s internal car security, external physical security, significantly upgraded home security. julian64 said:
Yep that's very paranoid
To give you an idea of the boxing in of my driveway, I’ve fitted 8 x 18 inch diameter wood bollards. These have c2 foot above ground and 4 foot below, concreted in along the length of the drive tomorevent them driving over mine or my neighbour’s garden. There’s two telescopic, commercial grade anti ram raid poles gone up too. I’ll take a photo tomorrow when it’s daylight.
I had my car stolen in my office car park at 2pm in 2016.
2017 was attempted car jacked
2012 also attempted car jacked with weapons involved
I now keep my car keys in the microwave at home. Have my wife's car block my car in. Have steering lock/obd port disabled and hidden
Plus keep doors locked at all times and dont SPK to strangers
2017 was attempted car jacked
2012 also attempted car jacked with weapons involved
I now keep my car keys in the microwave at home. Have my wife's car block my car in. Have steering lock/obd port disabled and hidden
Plus keep doors locked at all times and dont SPK to strangers
andymac said:
I don't get this pure key less tech. I have 2 cars with it . I still prefer keys . Why cant we have key less entry but still have to start it with a key..
Is this not extra protection !
Mine requires a button to be clicked on the key to open the doors, there’s no keyless entry. They broke in to my house to nick the keys. Is this not extra protection !
New one will be boxed in as below. The wood bollards are 18 inch diameter, 2 feet above ground, 4 feet under ground and concreted in, the driveway bollards are telescopic, commercial grade anti ram raid poles
BobSaunders said:
Guy came at me with a screwdriver threatening to burn my family. I had a six week old son at that point upstairs. Makes you seriously think.
Missus was in bits for weeks at any type of noise.
Myself and missus have even discussed what would happen in a situation - she would grab my son and lock herself and him in the ensuite, open the window and scream whilst calling the police, and i would lock the bedroom door and stand between them and my son in the locked ensuite. And hope the police turn up before either party loses. It was agreed she only unlocks/opens the door until the police turn up - no matter if i ask her to.
Nice car now sits on the road around the corner, and shed lives on the driveway. Bikes are all in the garage under lock and key. All keys are kept in a pot downstairs in the hall and are nice and easy to grab, so no need to come upstairs.
Bloody hell. Reading this makes me sad. We are living in what should be a safe country. No one should have to feel like this.Missus was in bits for weeks at any type of noise.
Myself and missus have even discussed what would happen in a situation - she would grab my son and lock herself and him in the ensuite, open the window and scream whilst calling the police, and i would lock the bedroom door and stand between them and my son in the locked ensuite. And hope the police turn up before either party loses. It was agreed she only unlocks/opens the door until the police turn up - no matter if i ask her to.
Nice car now sits on the road around the corner, and shed lives on the driveway. Bikes are all in the garage under lock and key. All keys are kept in a pot downstairs in the hall and are nice and easy to grab, so no need to come upstairs.
Something needs to change. And quickly.....
For all the petty disagreements on NP+E, it's awful to hear your story Gavia, glad to see you showing some serious rocks on this and it's making me feel rather sad that you're willingness to stand up for "pride" or whatever un-nameable thing is the exception and not the norm. Something is seriously wrong when normal people are held prisoner by scrotes and not normal people holding scrotes prisoner.
As a bit of an odd side ways question, what is the likelihood of 2 seater/3or2 door/exotic or rare cars to suffer these kind of thefts? I'm not talking performance saloons/hatch like Gavia's BMW or the Audis and hot 4x4/suvs that seem to be the big trend right now, what is the likelihood of a Evora/Alpina Roadster/XK-R being stolen as it's something i'm looking to buy and these threads are quite disheartening.
As a bit of an odd side ways question, what is the likelihood of 2 seater/3or2 door/exotic or rare cars to suffer these kind of thefts? I'm not talking performance saloons/hatch like Gavia's BMW or the Audis and hot 4x4/suvs that seem to be the big trend right now, what is the likelihood of a Evora/Alpina Roadster/XK-R being stolen as it's something i'm looking to buy and these threads are quite disheartening.
MrBrightSi said:
As a bit of an odd side ways question, what is the likelihood of 2 seater/3or2 door/exotic or rare cars to suffer these kind of thefts? I'm not talking performance saloons/hatch like Gavia's BMW or the Audis and hot 4x4/suvs that seem to be the big trend right now, what is the likelihood of a Evora/Alpina Roadster/XK-R being stolen as it's something i'm looking to buy and these threads are quite disheartening.
I mentioned this earlier I this thread - and was in exactly your position six months ago. I really wanted a C63 AMG. But a big spate of thefts of Audi RS, AMG and BMW M locally (mostly on a break in for keys basis) meant I couldn't as the worry would drive me bonkers. I'm sure there was a thread a whole ago where the bloke had a fast Audi and an Aston. Both parked on drive. Scroats broke in and took keys for Audi but left Aston keys which were next to Audi ones. Not interested.
So yes, I think there are great cars that are not do much on the radar of these init bruv a
holes. I bought a lovely 5.0 litre XK. I don't have fears of it being stolen. I hope I'm right !
I suspect the list of recent interesting cars less attractive to thieving scrotes includes XK/ XKR, F-Type, any Lotus, any Aston, any Maserati, new Ford Mustang, Alfa Quadro(whatever), Vauxhall VXR8.
You'd class a 4 door vxr off radar? I always thought anything 4 door and performance was on the list? It's added it back to my list now if you feel confident in that to be fair, as i haven't really heard of them being robbed but the same worries about 4 doors put me off an IS-F as well as the VXR8.
MrBrightSi said:
You'd class a 4 door vxr off radar? I always thought anything 4 door and performance was on the list? It's added it back to my list now if you feel confident in that to be fair, as i haven't really heard of them being robbed but the same worries about 4 doors put me off an IS-F as well as the VXR8.
Yes I'd class VXR8 as much safer re professional theft. Too few made. No point the scroats learning the tech when they only need to learn Audi, BMW, Merc, Ford (RS). And VXR8 stands out on the road (unlike a black RS3 for instance). Little interest in VXR8 being broken for parts (unlike the German stuff where their are lesser versions of the same models where the 'inits' want the bits to upgrade their cr@p versions). IS-F another good shout. Not too many IS owners lookin to upgrade with IS-F bits.
This is why the pros don't steal Astons. Even the 4 door Rapide. Too visible. Too hard to blend in.
Just my anecdotal view though. I'm sure someone on here will have the theft data for VXR8, XK, IS-F, Aston etc....
Edited by OddCat on Sunday 21st January 16:59
Dog Star said:
You reckon they cooperate? I'm right on the Lancs/GMP border - as in my back garden fence is the border, can't get closer than that - when I had my bikes stolen back in 2014 I got the very distinct impression that there was bugger all cooperation and because I was in GMP it wasn't on the radar of Lancashire at all, which is annoying as I have a lot more visibility of Lancs police. I think it put me at a big disadvantage. Obviously experiences can differ.
(GMP were good though, had someone out withing half an hour, had a couple of PCSOs walking around the garden looking for anything, fingerprints lady same morning. They reckoned the bikes were being had away by east europeans - they were going through the area like a dose of salts stealing motocrossers. I was talking to one of the chaps who had had several stolen at the same time and he is a really good enduro rider, and rides all over the world; he was saying that when you're doing rounds in Poland that there are loads and loads of bikes there with all UK dealer graphics and so on - stolen.
I live right on the lancs/GMP border too - Had my car stolen with keys after they broke in 18 months ago, just before Xmas I was "visited" again. This time I had CCTV and anti snap locks. After 7 minutes of trying to get in, Something disturbed the twonk and he legged it. I was left with a destroyed (but secure) door lock and some CCTV footage (It caught a man putting a balaclava on after he got out of a Vuaxhall Insignia, which was stolen from an adjoining Village the day before). Car crime is rampant round here at the moment. Our Police office was closed a few years ago and we rely on units coming from Bury to assist. I do have a marker on my house now (according to the Officer that came round 2 or 3 times the following week) that if I ring 999 and say i've been Burgled they will know its likely for my car. Our local Facebook group has 2 or 3 thefts from or thefts of vehicles a week.(GMP were good though, had someone out withing half an hour, had a couple of PCSOs walking around the garden looking for anything, fingerprints lady same morning. They reckoned the bikes were being had away by east europeans - they were going through the area like a dose of salts stealing motocrossers. I was talking to one of the chaps who had had several stolen at the same time and he is a really good enduro rider, and rides all over the world; he was saying that when you're doing rounds in Poland that there are loads and loads of bikes there with all UK dealer graphics and so on - stolen.
Im sorry this has happened to you Gavia, I know just how much of a kick in the nuts it is.
Trixxz said:
I live right on the lancs/GMP border too - Had my car stolen with keys after they broke in 18 months ago, just before Xmas I was "visited" again. This time I had CCTV and anti snap locks. After 7 minutes of trying to get in, Something disturbed the twonk and he legged it. I was left with a destroyed (but secure) door lock and some CCTV footage (It caught a man putting a balaclava on after he got out of a Vuaxhall Insignia, which was stolen from an adjoining Village the day before). Car crime is rampant round here at the moment. Our Police office was closed a few years ago and we rely on units coming from Bury to assist. I do have a marker on my house now (according to the Officer that came round 2 or 3 times the following week) that if I ring 999 and say i've been Burgled they will know its likely for my car. Our local Facebook group has 2 or 3 thefts from or thefts of vehicles a week.
Im sorry this has happened to you Gavia, I know just how much of a kick in the nuts it is.
Reading your post, I honestly thought we lived in the same village until you mentioned Bury, as everything you’ve described fits perfectly here too. Im sorry this has happened to you Gavia, I know just how much of a kick in the nuts it is.
I’ve just had a mate turn up and make my heart skip a beat. Pitch black and car pulls up outside my house, twompeople get out and one goes straight to the car and looking in it. Dogs abuse verbally to him and I’d already grabbed a baseball bat and the phone. Bloody idiot.
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