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Willy Nilly said:
electric cars don't work for everyone
And yet from 2040 the government wants everyone to be in electric cars, what infrastructure are they going to roll out, to allow the hundreds of thousands in the same situation as myself to charge our cars.22 years is not very long.
cjs racing. said:
And yet from 2040 the government wants everyone to be in electric cars, what infrastructure are they going to roll out, to allow the hundreds of thousands in the same situation as myself to charge our cars.
22 years is not very long.
Shell (etc.) are starting to install 350kw chargers at their garages, so you can just go to the garage and charge. Those chargers should take about 10mins.22 years is not very long.
I would dearly love an EV, I’ve driven a handful of Tesla’s and love them, the range is doable mostly for me at the moment, my single issue is charging at home no house on my estate has allocated parking, drives or garages - it’s all communal bays and therefore no one can have a charging point - totally sucks and the closest I can park to the front of my house means I would need to trail a 15metre cable out of a window
The other option would be to leave it at the local
Morrison’s overnight on charge, 10min walk, but I wouldn’t fancy leaving it on charge overnight somewhere so open and accessible etc...
Hence on our new home shopping list is a 3+ car standage plus double garage minimum so we can both have EVs as the Mrs only does 1500-1800miles per year
The other option would be to leave it at the local
Morrison’s overnight on charge, 10min walk, but I wouldn’t fancy leaving it on charge overnight somewhere so open and accessible etc...
Hence on our new home shopping list is a 3+ car standage plus double garage minimum so we can both have EVs as the Mrs only does 1500-1800miles per year
cjs racing. said:
And yet from 2040 the government wants everyone to be in electric cars, what infrastructure are they going to roll out, to allow the hundreds of thousands in the same situation as myself to charge our cars.
22 years is not very long.
It's quite a long time! We are already at 300 mile range, and the costs will inevitably fall quickly. 22 years is not very long.
The infrastructure is already in, you just need to connect chargers into it. My home charger took about 2 hrs to be installed.
There won't be a ban because by then most people will have changed to electric because they are better than ice. I'm talking white goods cars when I say that.
jjwilde said:
Shell (etc.) are starting to install 350kw chargers at their garages, so you can just go to the garage and charge. Those chargers should take about 10mins.
Isn't the speed of charging also dependent on the on board charger the manufacturer has chosen? 50kW for the rapid on the new Leaf. Something like the Fiat 500e doesn't even have a rapid charger built in and takes a min of 4 hours to fill up from low and the e-up only 3.7kW.In my opinion there needs to be a set standard developed for both connection and minimum charger standard built in for all EV's.
Tesla also have their own rapid charging network which is exclusive to them.
alorotom said:
The other option would be to leave it at the local
Morrison’s overnight on charge, 10min walk, but I wouldn’t fancy leaving it on charge overnight somewhere so open and accessible etc...
Not viable, maybe initially with low takeup of EV's but once they become more common it just won't be possible to hog a public charger overnight.Morrison’s overnight on charge, 10min walk, but I wouldn’t fancy leaving it on charge overnight somewhere so open and accessible etc...
Blaster72 said:
alorotom said:
The other option would be to leave it at the local
Morrison’s overnight on charge, 10min walk, but I wouldn’t fancy leaving it on charge overnight somewhere so open and accessible etc...
Not viable, maybe initially with low takeup of EV's but once they become more common it just won't be possible to hog a public charger overnight.Morrison’s overnight on charge, 10min walk, but I wouldn’t fancy leaving it on charge overnight somewhere so open and accessible etc...
Got one. Bought for financial reasons/ running costs/ ease of use. It’s a white good. End of the day you (well 95% of population) never do more than 150 miles in normal day to day driving, so it’s perfect as a second school/work/shopping/kids stuff car. Then it’s on charge at home. Piece of cake. No more wasting time at petrol stations.
They’re rammed with toys, pretty quick. In fact they’ll take any 2.0d generic lump off the lights. They actually reckon the motor is detuned to 50% ofvwhat s capable of ! They’re not especially pretty but who cares. You see blokes in nice motors that are pig ugly or with fat wives. Who am I to judge ?
But financially is where they win. We were spending £200 in diesel each month on two cars. It’s now £60 diesel. £20 electric. Plus yr running costs are pence. Sod All to service. No one us reporting issues with them.
Won’t suit everyone but you can see it’s the future. Personally I can see no point in burning money pouring fuel in a tank just to sit in traffic to take the kids to school
I had one for a week as a loan car before I bought it. I’m sure dealers will accommodate. Very different approach to driving. Would I have one as a sole car? Not sure yet, but the new ones and it’s range, yes.
Whether I get a new leaf again, who knows. Competition is increasing and cars are looking interesting.
They’re rammed with toys, pretty quick. In fact they’ll take any 2.0d generic lump off the lights. They actually reckon the motor is detuned to 50% ofvwhat s capable of ! They’re not especially pretty but who cares. You see blokes in nice motors that are pig ugly or with fat wives. Who am I to judge ?
But financially is where they win. We were spending £200 in diesel each month on two cars. It’s now £60 diesel. £20 electric. Plus yr running costs are pence. Sod All to service. No one us reporting issues with them.
Won’t suit everyone but you can see it’s the future. Personally I can see no point in burning money pouring fuel in a tank just to sit in traffic to take the kids to school
I had one for a week as a loan car before I bought it. I’m sure dealers will accommodate. Very different approach to driving. Would I have one as a sole car? Not sure yet, but the new ones and it’s range, yes.
Whether I get a new leaf again, who knows. Competition is increasing and cars are looking interesting.
Loyly said:
If you have absolutely lost all passion for driving then yes, go for it.
Blah, blah blah. Op said he is looking for a white goods family hatch. Should he just get a 316d or a 1.2 qashqaui like other people? Edited by covmutley on Saturday 20th January 20:37
Edited by covmutley on Saturday 20th January 20:38
The latest Renault Zoe has more range than the new Leaf but is much cheaper, it is a little smaller but it is big enough for most people. I have one on order, the only problem is that demand is so high that Renault can’t build them fast enough and the delivery time has increased from three to seven months since I ordered in July.
As for having no interest in driving, I am hoping that the money I save by doing 25k miles per year in the Zoe will allow me to have a fun car such as a 4C or Stratos replica.
As for having no interest in driving, I am hoping that the money I save by doing 25k miles per year in the Zoe will allow me to have a fun car such as a 4C or Stratos replica.
I like your man maths, buying a £30k min 4C with the savings from running an EV 
Back to the new Leaf, here's their site.
https://www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/lea...
Back to the new Leaf, here's their site.
https://www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/lea...
I had the previous version for two years. As a second car for short commutes/shopping etc. they are great, the range is perfectly fine for most people most of the time, and the "main" car will do the rest. I did it the other way around - I had a cheap petrol banger for the trips I could probably do in the Leaf but didn't want to bother with (waiting at chargers or running extension leads into friends houses).
The "vloggers" etc who use them as their main car and post about "epic" trips are really doing the cars a disservice by highlighting where it falls over.
The "vloggers" etc who use them as their main car and post about "epic" trips are really doing the cars a disservice by highlighting where it falls over.
Blaster72 said:
Isn't the speed of charging also dependent on the on board charger the manufacturer has chosen? 50kW for the rapid on the new Leaf. Something like the Fiat 500e doesn't even have a rapid charger built in and takes a min of 4 hours to fill up from low and the e-up only 3.7kW.
In my opinion there needs to be a set standard developed for both connection and minimum charger standard built in for all EV's.
Tesla also have their own rapid charging network which is exclusive to them.
For trickle charging, yes. In my opinion there needs to be a set standard developed for both connection and minimum charger standard built in for all EV's.
Tesla also have their own rapid charging network which is exclusive to them.
For fast charging (different socket on the car) it bypasses the internal charger and charges the battery directly.
Fast charging on a gen1 leaf is 30 mins to 80%. I don’t think it’ll go past that. Trickle only to 100%.
I have a leaf as a daily hack. It’s quiet, dull and very very cheap.
If you lived in London it’s possibly an only car.
It’s a 3rd car for us, and I suspect we’ll never do a long journey in it.
Mr E said:
For trickle charging, yes.
For fast charging (different socket on the car) it bypasses the internal charger and charges the battery directly.
Does it? Sounds dangerous, surely the car needs to control the rate of charge coming in?For fast charging (different socket on the car) it bypasses the internal charger and charges the battery directly.
I thought EV's had either a regular trickle charger, rapid charger or both actually built into the car and this was the limiting factor in charging them. Could quite easily be wrong though.
If that isn't the case why do Nissan, Renault , VW etc publish the kW rate of their rapid chargers?
The latest Renault Zoe has more range than the new Leaf but is much cheaper, it is a little smaller but it is big enough for most people. I have one on order, the only problem is that demand is so high that Renault can’t build them fast enough and the delivery time has increased from three to seven months since I ordered in July.
As for having no interest in driving, I am hoping that the money I save by doing 25k miles per year in the Zoe will allow me to have a fun car such as a 4C or Stratos replica.
As for having no interest in driving, I am hoping that the money I save by doing 25k miles per year in the Zoe will allow me to have a fun car such as a 4C or Stratos replica.
Loyly said:
If you have absolutely lost all passion for driving then yes, go for it.
Completely disagree, driving an i3 courtesy car for several days was great fun. Can't stand the styling of it but it was great fun to drive. Really nippy, the linear acceleration was addictive and eerily quiet.Can wait to own an electric car myself!
Just swapping my grand vitara for an outlander phev. All my town driving should be on ev and it has a 2.0 for long distance.
Fully expect to be in a bev in years or so.
As to the leaf the new 3rd gen looks pretty good much better / more conventional styled, 40kwh should do most trips.
There's a 60kwh coming soon too.
Fully expect to be in a bev in years or so.
As to the leaf the new 3rd gen looks pretty good much better / more conventional styled, 40kwh should do most trips.
There's a 60kwh coming soon too.
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