Can't stand all these buzzy little engines these days
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Yipper said:
It is a tradeoff.
The old engines sound nicer.
But the new engines are significantly faster.
Just a couple of cheap tweaks on a 2L Golf R today will make it faster than a Pagani Zonda.
Modern engines and turbos are incredible pieces of electrical machinery.
You're brilliant Yipper, brilliant. What a cumt.The old engines sound nicer.
But the new engines are significantly faster.
Just a couple of cheap tweaks on a 2L Golf R today will make it faster than a Pagani Zonda.
Modern engines and turbos are incredible pieces of electrical machinery.
I couldn't agree with you less. The latest generation of small turbocharged engines are far more potent, interesting and frugal than the old-hat naturally aspirated lumps of yesteryear. They've made smaller cars so much better.
People always mention the durability concerns but some of these engines have been used and abused for 7 years+ already.
I can understand why people aren't as excited by decreasing cylinder counts in large saloons and muscle cars but honestly imo... it's progress.
People always mention the durability concerns but some of these engines have been used and abused for 7 years+ already.
I can understand why people aren't as excited by decreasing cylinder counts in large saloons and muscle cars but honestly imo... it's progress.
volvos60s60 said:
I just wanted to articulate some irritation I have that most cars these days seem to have these buzzy little sub 1600cc engines, often turbocharged to cover their size deficiencies
It seems only 5, or maybe 10, years ago that a least someone down your street or in the car park at work had an old V8 engined Rover, or a 10 year old 7 Series BMW, or maybe a tatty old V12 Jag. Even a Mondeo was considered to be a half reasonable everyday choice as it often had a 2 litre lump, & there was always a hotter version available to make it more interesting.
These days when I drive round the M25 on my way to work, I hardly ever see anything remotely interesting with respect to a car with a decent size engine, barring maybe the odd M3 or M5, or maybe an F-Type or older XK. Even those occasions seem very much an exception though - it was not that long ago when you would see something interesting like that most days but not anymore
I know all of the environmental & resultant taxation reasons that have caused these vehicles to disappear, but I just feel it is such a shame that nearly everyone is forced into some small engined insipid shopping trolley.
Only yesterday, I was looking at 3 year old Fiesta ST to introduce some interest into my commute but I just can't get motivated by it at all. The fact is I would like the prospect more if it was 2 litre normally aspirated
I know there are exceptions like V8 full fat Range Rovers, the occasional 911 & so on, & you can all no doubt come up with all manner of further exceptions to my rant, but I for one lament the days when some old 'geezer' in the house opposite was tinkering with his Triumph Stag or XJ6 on a Sunday afternoon so he could get to work on Monday.
Just wanted to get that off my chest, but what a shame 99% of people have boring little motors
Why are they boring. Really, why??It seems only 5, or maybe 10, years ago that a least someone down your street or in the car park at work had an old V8 engined Rover, or a 10 year old 7 Series BMW, or maybe a tatty old V12 Jag. Even a Mondeo was considered to be a half reasonable everyday choice as it often had a 2 litre lump, & there was always a hotter version available to make it more interesting.
These days when I drive round the M25 on my way to work, I hardly ever see anything remotely interesting with respect to a car with a decent size engine, barring maybe the odd M3 or M5, or maybe an F-Type or older XK. Even those occasions seem very much an exception though - it was not that long ago when you would see something interesting like that most days but not anymore
I know all of the environmental & resultant taxation reasons that have caused these vehicles to disappear, but I just feel it is such a shame that nearly everyone is forced into some small engined insipid shopping trolley.
Only yesterday, I was looking at 3 year old Fiesta ST to introduce some interest into my commute but I just can't get motivated by it at all. The fact is I would like the prospect more if it was 2 litre normally aspirated
I know there are exceptions like V8 full fat Range Rovers, the occasional 911 & so on, & you can all no doubt come up with all manner of further exceptions to my rant, but I for one lament the days when some old 'geezer' in the house opposite was tinkering with his Triumph Stag or XJ6 on a Sunday afternoon so he could get to work on Monday.
Just wanted to get that off my chest, but what a shame 99% of people have boring little motors
Edited by volvos60s60 on Saturday 20th January 14:39
Personally I love the ideal of little 1.0 and 0.9 turbo cars - great allrounders and light to boot!
I had a rented focus earlier this year with the 1.0T and it was a great car to drive, plenty nippy, zero issues holding its own around London, the boroughs or the M25 and M1
So f
k you and your pomme frites my friend 
I am past the point of wanting speed, I mainly look for refinement now, both in terms of it being free from any vibration and noise when cruising and making sure the power delivery is nice and linear and not like an on/off switch.
That unfortunately means diesel is out for me, I am yet to own a diesel that I truly love, sure I have appreciated them, but always known it is a complete compromise and often saves bugger all in overall running costs anyway when I do the proper maths.
Plus I am not a fan of the smaller 4cyl petrol turbos either, they feel more like a diesel in the way they give the power.
Makes looking for a new car pretty much impossible.
I keep waiting for the Mercedes to release their new straight six petrols, 2.2 litre, 2.7 litre and 3.0 litre was announced, to be available as NA and the power figures looked very impressive. But that was 2 years ago and all seems to have gone quiet?
That unfortunately means diesel is out for me, I am yet to own a diesel that I truly love, sure I have appreciated them, but always known it is a complete compromise and often saves bugger all in overall running costs anyway when I do the proper maths.
Plus I am not a fan of the smaller 4cyl petrol turbos either, they feel more like a diesel in the way they give the power.
Makes looking for a new car pretty much impossible.
I keep waiting for the Mercedes to release their new straight six petrols, 2.2 litre, 2.7 litre and 3.0 litre was announced, to be available as NA and the power figures looked very impressive. But that was 2 years ago and all seems to have gone quiet?
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
You also have a small diesel engined boring convertible????
You also have a small diesel engined boring convertible????
Berkshire bred said:
Yipper said:
It is a tradeoff.
The old engines sound nicer.
But the new engines are significantly faster.
Just a couple of cheap tweaks on a Golf R today will make it faster than a Pagani Zonda.
Modern engines are incredible pieces of electrical machinery.
Another classicThe old engines sound nicer.
But the new engines are significantly faster.
Just a couple of cheap tweaks on a Golf R today will make it faster than a Pagani Zonda.
Modern engines are incredible pieces of electrical machinery.
A C12 is not "that" impressive in the performance stakes and (giving him the benefit of the doubt) assuming he meant quicker, as opposed to faster, a simple remap would enable a Golf R to match the acceleration of a C12 (up to 100 mph).
InductionRoar said:
Berkshire bred said:
Yipper said:
It is a tradeoff.
The old engines sound nicer.
But the new engines are significantly faster.
Just a couple of cheap tweaks on a Golf R today will make it faster than a Pagani Zonda.
Modern engines are incredible pieces of electrical machinery.
Another classicThe old engines sound nicer.
But the new engines are significantly faster.
Just a couple of cheap tweaks on a Golf R today will make it faster than a Pagani Zonda.
Modern engines are incredible pieces of electrical machinery.
A C12 is not "that" impressive in the performance stakes and (giving him the benefit of the doubt) assuming he meant quicker, as opposed to faster, a simple remap would enable a Golf R to match the acceleration of a C12 (up to 100 mph).
Original C12 was 390bhp! 60 in 4.2 seconds.
volvos60s60 said:
I just wanted to articulate some irritation I have that most cars these days seem to have these buzzy little sub 1600cc engines, often turbocharged to cover their size deficiencies
It seems only 5, or maybe 10, years ago that a least someone down your street or in the car park at work had an old V8 engined Rover, or a 10 year old 7 Series BMW, or maybe a tatty old V12 Jag. Even a Mondeo was considered to be a half reasonable everyday choice as it often had a 2 litre lump, & there was always a hotter version available to make it more interesting.
These days when I drive round the M25 on my way to work, I hardly ever see anything remotely interesting with respect to a car with a decent size engine, barring maybe the odd M3 or M5, or maybe an F-Type or older XK. Even those occasions seem very much an exception though - it was not that long ago when you would see something interesting like that most days but not anymore
I know all of the environmental & resultant taxation reasons that have caused these vehicles to disappear, but I just feel it is such a shame that nearly everyone is forced into some small engined insipid shopping trolley.
Only yesterday, I was looking at 3 year old Fiesta ST to introduce some interest into my commute but I just can't get motivated by it at all. The fact is I would like the prospect more if it was 2 litre normally aspirated
I know there are exceptions like V8 full fat Range Rovers, the occasional 911 & so on, & you can all no doubt come up with all manner of further exceptions to my rant, but I for one lament the days when some old 'geezer' in the house opposite was tinkering with his Triumph Stag or XJ6 on a Sunday afternoon so he could get to work on Monday.
Just wanted to get that off my chest, but what a shame 99% of people have boring little motors
OP, sorry but you sound like a dinosaur, its time to move with the times.It seems only 5, or maybe 10, years ago that a least someone down your street or in the car park at work had an old V8 engined Rover, or a 10 year old 7 Series BMW, or maybe a tatty old V12 Jag. Even a Mondeo was considered to be a half reasonable everyday choice as it often had a 2 litre lump, & there was always a hotter version available to make it more interesting.
These days when I drive round the M25 on my way to work, I hardly ever see anything remotely interesting with respect to a car with a decent size engine, barring maybe the odd M3 or M5, or maybe an F-Type or older XK. Even those occasions seem very much an exception though - it was not that long ago when you would see something interesting like that most days but not anymore
I know all of the environmental & resultant taxation reasons that have caused these vehicles to disappear, but I just feel it is such a shame that nearly everyone is forced into some small engined insipid shopping trolley.
Only yesterday, I was looking at 3 year old Fiesta ST to introduce some interest into my commute but I just can't get motivated by it at all. The fact is I would like the prospect more if it was 2 litre normally aspirated
I know there are exceptions like V8 full fat Range Rovers, the occasional 911 & so on, & you can all no doubt come up with all manner of further exceptions to my rant, but I for one lament the days when some old 'geezer' in the house opposite was tinkering with his Triumph Stag or XJ6 on a Sunday afternoon so he could get to work on Monday.
Just wanted to get that off my chest, but what a shame 99% of people have boring little motors
Edited by volvos60s60 on Saturday 20th January 14:39
To give you an example (one of your exceptions to your rant!), in my driving career I've had two 1.6 petrol engines. The first, a 1989 car, produced about 75HP, my current car, which is more reliable and efficient, a 2016 car, produces 270HP making it a pretty quick small engined insipid shopping trolley!
nickfrog said:
Yipper said:
It is a tradeoff.
The old engines sound nicer.
But the new engines are significantly faster.
Just a couple of cheap tweaks on a 2L Golf R today will make it faster than a Pagani Zonda.
Modern engines and turbos are incredible pieces of electrical machinery.
You're brilliant Yipper, brilliant. What a cumt.The old engines sound nicer.
But the new engines are significantly faster.
Just a couple of cheap tweaks on a 2L Golf R today will make it faster than a Pagani Zonda.
Modern engines and turbos are incredible pieces of electrical machinery.
with two 'u's hence cuumt, lol.Perhaps so and it was miserable.
Then God came along and sent Moses down the mountain in his Triumph and the OP was blessed. It wouldn't be the same with a crappy 1000cc 3 cylinder thingy thing that could barely muster up a fart on full compression. Sadly that could be the future, washing machine motors in cases with wheels.
Then God came along and sent Moses down the mountain in his Triumph and the OP was blessed. It wouldn't be the same with a crappy 1000cc 3 cylinder thingy thing that could barely muster up a fart on full compression. Sadly that could be the future, washing machine motors in cases with wheels.
cholo said:
OP, have you been living in a cave for the last 10 years?
Maybe, but last time I left the cave cars were a hell of a lot more interesting. I look around with despair at the shopping trolleys......Edited by volvos60s60 on Saturday 20th January 21:23
Edited by volvos60s60 on Saturday 20th January 21:47
Boosted LS1 said:
Perhaps so and it was miserable.
Then God came along and sent Moses down the mountain in his Triumph and the OP was blessed. It wouldn't be the same with a crappy 1000cc 3 cylinder thingy thing that could barely muster up a fart on full compression. Sadly that could be the future, washing machine motors in cases with wheels.
Exactly!Then God came along and sent Moses down the mountain in his Triumph and the OP was blessed. It wouldn't be the same with a crappy 1000cc 3 cylinder thingy thing that could barely muster up a fart on full compression. Sadly that could be the future, washing machine motors in cases with wheels.
Yipper said:
It is a tradeoff.
The old engines sound nicer.
But the new engines are significantly faster.
Just a couple of cheap tweaks on a 2L Golf R today will make it faster than a Pagani Zonda.
Modern engines and turbos are incredible pieces of electrical machinery.
Making quite the name for yourself it seems?The old engines sound nicer.
But the new engines are significantly faster.
Just a couple of cheap tweaks on a 2L Golf R today will make it faster than a Pagani Zonda.
Modern engines and turbos are incredible pieces of electrical machinery.
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