300mph by year end?

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Gameface

16,565 posts

77 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Wow, you're boring.

GroundEffect

13,836 posts

156 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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TooMany2cvs said:
So they've already done 285mph, and that was limited by hitting the rev limiter...?

Koenigsegg said:
“For the car we would need more RPM and a longer gear ratio, but we could hit 300 right now.
If you watch the onboard, you can hear it hit the rev-limiter (or very close to) at Vmax.

M666 EVO

1,124 posts

162 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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TooMany2cvs said:
Rawwr said:
It's an interesting subject because it's a big milestone. There doesn't need to be any value in that milestone but for a road car to be able to break the 300mph barrier, it's going to be important and memorable.
It's going to be "important and memorable" in precisely two countries in the world. 310mph is going to be far more "important and memorable" in every other country.

How "important and memorable"? Well, which was the first "production road car" to 200mph? 250mph? 300kph? 400kph?<shrug>
200mph Ferrari F40, 250mph Maclaren F1, 400kph Veyron (please be a good poindexter and confirm the actual cars etc, I'm surely incorrect)

ghost83

5,477 posts

190 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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The mclaren was 241/242 I believe

There’s a lot of boring farts in here!

300mph plus in a general road car that can be bought with a warranty etc etc is massive all those that did it 80yrs ago were no doubt purpose built 1 off specials before long you will have Bugatti Ferrari and possibly mclaren and Porsche no doubt vying for the 300mpph mark

Edited by ghost83 on Tuesday 23 January 10:33

Vaud

50,465 posts

155 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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TooMany2cvs said:
M666 EVO said:
This is a move forward for technology.
Umm, how is gaining 15mph by changing the gearing slightly and remapping the rev limiter "a move forward for technology"?
300 used to be an issue because of the tyres, IIRC.

Gameface

16,565 posts

77 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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200mph - F40
250mph - Veyron

300kph - 288 GTO
400kph - Veyron

250mph and 400kph are much the same thing.

Only one I had to Google was the 288 GTO. Pretty much every car enthusiast would know the others off the top of their head.

viggyp

1,917 posts

135 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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ghost83 said:
The mclaren was 241/242 I believe

There’s a lot of boring farts in here!

300mph plus in a general road car that can be bought with a warranty etc etc is massive need all those that did it 80yrs ago were no doubt purpose built 2 off specials before long you will have Bugatti Ferrari and possibly mclaren and Porsche no doubt vying for the 300mpph mark
Mclaren road car maxed at 231/232mph, it was one tested on a banking (can't remember where) with a raised rev limiter and the cats removed which hit 240.1 or the speeds you stated............I think smile

Equus

16,881 posts

101 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Vaud said:
300 used to be an issue because of the tyres, IIRC.
That's the point, really.

300mph is no problem - and hasn't been for some time - apart from the tyres.

So the only 'technical advance' is being able to make a tyre safely do something that in practice, in the real world nobody will ever ask it to do.


Debaser

5,837 posts

261 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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RDMcG said:
HorneyMX5 said:
I’m sure this place used to have a strap line of “Speed Matters”.
Its now "speed mattered"
Whatever happened to 'Speed Matters'?

Equus

16,881 posts

101 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Debaser said:
Whatever happened to 'Speed Matters'?
Most of the original members grew up.

Cold

15,246 posts

90 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Debaser said:
RDMcG said:
HorneyMX5 said:
I’m sure this place used to have a strap line of “Speed Matters”.
Its now "speed mattered"
Whatever happened to 'Speed Matters'?
Something about pies.

Anyway, I always thought the F40 was only tested at 199mph by the various mags of the time?

viggyp

1,917 posts

135 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Cold said:
Anyway, I always thought the F40 was only tested at 199mph by the various mags of the time?
I thought it was tested to 201 or 202, then the Diablo came along and matched it or was 1mph higher?! My memory is getting fuzzy admittedly!

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Gameface said:
Berkshire bred said:
Money would be better spent making an obtainable sports car. 40k or less straight or v6 2 seats between 250 and 400 hp.
fking hell. That old chestnut! rofl
I have one of those.

Admittedly it's a one off kit car and has a v8 not a v6 but ...


Vaud

50,465 posts

155 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Debaser said:
Whatever happened to 'Speed Matters'?
Haymarket brand police.

Gameface

16,565 posts

77 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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keirik said:
Gameface said:
Berkshire bred said:
Money would be better spent making an obtainable sports car. 40k or less straight or v6 2 seats between 250 and 400 hp.
fking hell. That old chestnut! rofl
I have one of those.

Admittedly it's a one off kit car and has a v8 not a v6 but ...
Hardly Koenigseggs market though is it, yet apparently it's what they should focussing on!

ghost83

5,477 posts

190 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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viggyp said:
Mclaren road car maxed at 231/232mph, it was one tested on a banking (can't remember where) with a raised rev limiter and the cats removed which hit 240.1 or the speeds you stated............I think smile
I watched a program on it, it was the gtr lm that was governed to 231 but it was a road car that did 241 or something like that

Will go check my facts

Vaud

50,465 posts

155 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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ghost83 said:
viggyp said:
Mclaren road car maxed at 231/232mph, it was one tested on a banking (can't remember where) with a raised rev limiter and the cats removed which hit 240.1 or the speeds you stated............I think smile
I watched a program on it, it was the gtr lm that was governed to 231 but it was a road car that did 241 or something like that

Will go check my facts
On 31 March 1998 Andy Wallace drove the five-year-old XP5 prototype at Volkswagen's test track in Ehra-Lessien, setting a new production car world record of independently measured 240.1 mph (386.4 km/h) two-way average (peak speed 243 mph(391 km/h) measured by McLaren)[56] with the rev-limiter raised to 8300 rpm. [wiki]

There is a great podcast (Motorsport) with Andy Wallace who is a very, very funny guy (IMHO)

Apparently the McLaren was very, very "loose" on these runs.

ghost83

5,477 posts

190 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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The mclaren F1 recorded the top speed run with its limited removed

But xp3 was the car with the limiter and only had it for durability testing and the 231 wasn’t ever the official top speed xp5 was the final version that hen had no limited and that’s the car they used to go for the top speed run

So both kinda right

viggyp

1,917 posts

135 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Very interesting. Will have to check the podcasts out. Cheers guys smile

Vaud

50,465 posts

155 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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viggyp said:
Very interesting. Will have to check the podcasts out. Cheers guys smile
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/sports-...

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/hall-of-fame/ha...

It's one of these two I think. Either way, they are well worth a listen. The Le Mans story in the first one is hilarious.