The government have won. Selling my diesel for a petrol.....

[liner33]

Ninja59 said:

Particulates from DI petrols are much higher than a modern DPF equipped diesel.

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I dont believe that is true at least not according to sources I have read. I have read that diesel particulates whilst similar to petrol are still higher, the limits on PM for petrol and diesel engines are set the same for EU6 at 0.005g/km

Nano particulate emissions rise dramatically during DPF regneration cycles according to some studies and can exceed these set limits

[williamp]

Thank you all for saving the planet. Lily allen will be along in a minute to apologise to you all on our behalf

[havoc]

Once again I find myself ahead of the curve.

I've been doing 18k a year for the past two years and have entrusted it all to my (admittedly now leggy) FD2 Civic Type R, rather than get something economical like a diesel. 32mpg is about as good as she gets, less if I take the country roads home.

Oh well...

[Ares]

havoc said:

Once again I find myself ahead of the curve.

I've been doing 18k a year for the past two years and have entrusted it all to my (admittedly now leggy) FD2 Civic Type R, rather than get something economical like a diesel. 32mpg is about as good as she gets, less if I take the country roads home.

Oh well...

Acceptable collateral damage

[anonymous-user]

Government - buy diesel
Government - buy petrol
Government - but electric
Think i’ll stick with the Superb diesel for another 5 years or so & see what’s about then
50+ mpg and the car tax is £30 a year. They haven’t tried very hard to get me to change !

[Ares]

Jimboka said:

Government - buy diesel
Government - buy petrol
Government - but electric
Think i’ll stick with the Superb diesel for another 5 years or so & see what’s about then
50+ mpg and the car tax is £30 a year. They haven’t tried very hard to get me to change !

Yes, but you're facing another 5 yrs in a Diesel Skoda barge

[daemon]

2016 Passat 1.6TDI SE Business replaced with 2018 MINI Cooper S.

Other car is an AMG A45 so thats two two litre turbo petrols now.

Cant see us going back to a diesel.

More to do with not needing a dull but worthy big saloon than it being a diesel. Although a Cooper SD was never on the cards.

[liner33]

Diesel Superb replaced with a Prius, big improvement

Not out to save the planet as I drive a Jag V8 but having a chronic lung disease means my hypocrisy only goes so far

[PK0001]

Yep

Changed my 520d to a Subaru WRX STi.

No more diesel cars for me,,,,,,,ever.

[anonymous-user]

Not really been following the argument of petrol vs diesel. Why are people switching, other than city taxes?

[Fox-]

LG9k said:

If you've switched from a diesel to a petrol, then you have won.

You've won a bigger fuel bill. We've just picked up a new Mini - I went for petrol as the annual mileage is average really and it's a better performing engine - but it's a good 15-20mpg down on the Cooper D we rented for a weekend a while back on similar sort of driving. I'm fine with it but lets not pretend there are not sizeable disadvantages to petrol cars - after all, everyone bought diesel for a reason and that reason hasn't gone away - we have some of the worlds most expensive fuel.

Presumably once we all swap back to the wonder fuel we'll suddenly realise we're spending a load more money on fuel and emitting a load more CO2.

[xjay1337]

Trevor555 said:

Yup.

Goodbye Tiguan Tdi 177bhp that we wanted to keep at least 10 years.

Hello Fabia 1.2 Tsi estate.

And our company diesel van this week needs new injectors at £1000

Good riddance diesel.

Cos only diesels have injectors... :-)

[Dav72D]

My 2015 Diesel Ford Kuga is sitting on the drive rotting away! Swapped for an economical Lexus LS 430!

[Mr Taxpayer]

Atomic12C said:

Diseasal engines have always been for the farm yard haven't they?
The over-sell of diseasals by the previous labour government and its tax incentives were purely because they couldn't stand up to tree hugger lobby groups who didn't know what diseasal's produce in their exhaust.

And canal boats.

[S2r]

Diesel Alfa Guilietta (170) replaced with a 1.8 Polo GTi...

No loving the new mpg (or the small tank) so I seem to be constantly filling up and I don't think that the front tyres will last as long either !!

[8V085]

"The government" innit

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-98-734_en....

[jjr1]

mat205125 said:

V88Dicky said:

To the OP; the Government have won twice, no?

Government then: Buy a diesel

OP: Ok


Government now: Buy a petrol

OP: Ok

....... and collect the duty and VAT from the higher sales of the petrol

They won bugger all. In the last year I have bought 2 diesels but am only selling the BMW430d as I need the ML for the dog. I have also bought 2 x 6cylinder petrols that both have a lot of power and poor mpg. I don't really care two hoots about the government and what they incentivise us to buy but I do like the irony of selling a diesel for a petrol that burns fuel at twice the rate.

[ericmcn]

Wacky Racer said:

What a ridiculous thread.

I bet none of you ever go over 50 on the motorway to conserve the environment.....

We were told several years ago that diesels were better than nasty petrol cars......

Roll on 2040

i tend to keep my cruise @ 80 to be on the safe side, but my 6 pot lump can easily go faster should i wish to.

The government told us diesels were better - what do politicians actually know? I tell you what - F U N K ALL.......

I ignored them in Ireland and bought a petrol back in the day this all kicked off and still ignore them in the UK, Diesel is an agricultural fuel, say no more.
The angry clatter from them in car parks and city centres will soon be a thing of the past thankfully, and the nasty crap they pollute.

[gizlaroc]

Fox- said:

You've won a bigger fuel bill. We've just picked up a new Mini - I went for petrol as the annual mileage is average really and it's a better performing engine - but it's a good 15-20mpg down on the Cooper D we rented for a weekend a while back on similar sort of driving. I'm fine with it but lets not pretend there are not sizeable disadvantages to petrol cars - after all, everyone bought diesel for a reason and that reason hasn't gone away - we have some of the worlds most expensive fuel.

Presumably once we all swap back to the wonder fuel we'll suddenly realise we're spending a load more money on fuel and emitting a load more CO2.

What is the real difference to ownership cost though?

Say the car is depreciating at £350 a month. (probably more?)
You then have say £50 a month for upkeep, tyres, servicing etc.
£40 a month for insurance and any road tax.

That is £440 a month.

12k miles at 45mpg derv is £100 a month.
12k miles at 30mpg petrol is £150 a month.

So £540 a month vs £590 a month or around £9 a week.

I would argue that there are not many cars that are like for like which use 50% more fuel when going petrol.

By like for like I mean 2.0tdi vs 1.4tfsi, 30d vs 30i, 350cdi vs 350, etc. etc.??

I reckon it is more like 20%, will it is on all the ones I have owned. Obviously when swapping from a 300hp 6 cyl to a 180hp 4cyl derv you see more, but even then it has never been 50%.
Actually I guess the smaller cars will see more difference, my 120d vs 130i was probably close to that, 28mpg vs 39mpg, I suppose that is a big jump.





Anyway, yeah, I have jumped ship, E350 cdi to E350 and RR TDV8 to ML 3.7 petrol.

[nickchallis92]

As others have said, the Straight 6 3.0l diesel engines in Beemers are great. Shed loads of power and 35mpg.

I too plan on doing my bit for the environment and plan on getting a 5.0 V8 Mustang next. I've got to do it before they're banned.