RE: Showpiece of the Week: Shelby Cobra 427

RE: Showpiece of the Week: Shelby Cobra 427

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Johnny5hoods

511 posts

119 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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Amazing cars in their day. 0-60 in 4.2 seconds, in the mid 60s, must have seemed like a rocket ship. In fact, in reality, a 427 S/C with all the factory engine options would pull almost as hard, perhaps even as hard, as the quickest supercars available today. It was slowed down by various factors: 60s tyres, just four gears with a very high first blunting acceleration but still not quite high enough to hit 60 in first?, a notoriously poor front/rear weight distribution making it very difficult to get all the power down in first (apparently unsuspecting people have spun them in a straight line), and no launch control. It's not until you experience Detroit iron that you realise how good it is. If you put that S/C 427 V8 engine in a modern supercar with mid engined layout, modern tyres, gearing and launch control, I would expect it to be a whole lot quicker than 4.2 secs.

sisu

2,580 posts

173 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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Johnny5hoods said:
Amazing cars in their day. 0-60 in 4.2 seconds, in the mid 60s, must have seemed like a rocket ship. ... you put that S/C 427 V8 engine in a modern supercar with mid engined layout, modern tyres, gearing and launch control, I would expect it to be a whole lot quicker than 4.2 secs.
Mid engined 427, yet bigger tires, less weight, clutchless gearbox that is basically what a mid 60s Lola T70b is.

As for the launch control button..if you need to ask



dinkel

26,939 posts

258 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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289 body style for me.

Which is BTW quick enough for me!

aeropilot

34,574 posts

227 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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ericmcn said:




Aah..........the legendary GTM 700F smile

One of the two 427's owned by the late John Woolfe in the late 1960's early 1970's, the other car being GTM 777F.

700F is one of the genuine full competition 427's, whereas 777F was a road car, but a very special one, with IIRC, a tunnel port 427 side-oiler installed, and for many years 777F held the record as the worlds fastest accelerating production car. Woolfe also had it converted to RHD.


vixen1700

22,899 posts

270 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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coppice said:
No, no and no; neither 289 nor 427 (nor much else in period ) sported turbos and , headline grabbing alleged BHP figure apart ,how does it make it better ? I'll stick with a quartet of Webers thanks- and exhausts exiting at the rear . I don't take calls from Mr Vulgarity ...
I was just saying COB1 was at Nostalgia. Not my taste at all.

A nice original right hand drive 289 for me.please. smile

bludger

112 posts

78 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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Interesting barn find vid from the US showing a Cobra and a Ferrari 275 GTB(?0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlRKSmHgzdE

coppice

8,605 posts

144 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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vixen1700 said:
I was just saying COB1 was at Nostalgia. Not my taste at all.

A nice original right hand drive 289 for me.please. smile
Good man - lovely one for sale in the C and SC which arrived yesterday

aeropilot

34,574 posts

227 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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vixen1700 said:
A nice original right hand drive 289 for me.please. smile
I'd have a LHD car everytime, operating the Toploader from the correct side is preferable to operating the steering from the 'correct' side laugh

grumpy52

5,579 posts

166 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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Ian Richardson reportedly had the next to last Cobra of the original production.
It held the class record at Silverstone for many years , he then went on to use an ex Can Am car and then put all the running gear in a Corvair .
If you ever get to drive a proper Cobra they don't go in a straight line as the torque twists everything, a race gearbox will quickly give you a big blister on the palm of your hand if not wearing gloves .
The most thrilling 5 laps of my life .
My bedroom wall as a teenager had several Cobras, the Countach and Dave Brodies Run baby Run .
It was a great time for cars but makes me feel old as all my youth is now in the classic category.

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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Can someone disect this for me

op said:
Many Anglo-American creations have achieved great fame. Fleetwood Mac. The Harrier Jump Jet. Winston Churchill. The atom bomb

aeropilot

34,574 posts

227 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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saaby93 said:
Can someone disect this for me

op said:
Many Anglo-American creations have achieved great fame. Fleetwood Mac. The Harrier Jump Jet. Winston Churchill. The atom bomb
Err.....sort of obvious really?

Not the most obvious examples of Anglo-American by definition, but correct none-the-less.

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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aeropilot said:
saaby93 said:
Can someone disect this for me

op said:
Many Anglo-American creations have achieved great fame. Fleetwood Mac. The Harrier Jump Jet. Winston Churchill. The atom bomb
Err.....sort of obvious really?

Not the most obvious examples of Anglo-American by definition, but correct none-the-less.
Thought the Harrier was a UK project purchased by Americans - what joint development was there?

aeropilot

34,574 posts

227 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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saaby93 said:
aeropilot said:
saaby93 said:
Can someone disect this for me

op said:
Many Anglo-American creations have achieved great fame. Fleetwood Mac. The Harrier Jump Jet. Winston Churchill. The atom bomb
Err.....sort of obvious really?

Not the most obvious examples of Anglo-American by definition, but correct none-the-less.
Thought the Harrier was a UK project purchased by Americans - what joint development was there?
The US had a big involvement in the original VSTOL programme when first done by Bristol Siddeley, in terms of funding, and some development work, and were part of the original Tripartite Evaulation squadron in the early 60's along with the West Germany, and this continued all the way through to the later generation GR7/9 AV8B programme. It was not the British only aircraft that most people think it is.

And172940

263 posts

148 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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"Carrol Shelby signed glove box lid decal'

Or a real one:


ChilliWhizz

11,992 posts

161 months

Wednesday 31st January 2018
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'The 427 will kill you in a second'

Brilliant, great piece of marketing hehe

Reminds me of the Death Star Canteen 'I could kill you with a thought'


aeropilot

34,574 posts

227 months

Wednesday 31st January 2018
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ChilliWhizz said:
'The 427 will kill you in a second'

Brilliant, great piece of marketing hehe
Certainly true of the person who bought CSX3303, which was the famous Super-Snake Cobra sold to Bill Cosby, who promptly handed it back to Shelby after scaring himself stless in it. Shelby-American sold it on again, with the new owner destroying himself and the car soon after when he lost control of it on the Pacific Coast highway, careering off the cliffside road and down into the ocean/rock below.