RE: Porsche 718 Boxster Spyder breaks cover
Discussion
Ares said:
if it's not good enough quality, find another paid-for source.
Ridiculous comment - who are you to tell someone to do one (my words, not yours) because they are calling out poor quality content?Everyone's entitled to offer their opinion and it will only help keep standards high.
ReverendCounter said:
Ares said:
if it's not good enough quality, find another paid-for source.
Ridiculous comment - who are you to tell someone to do one (my words, not yours) because they are calling out poor quality content?Everyone's entitled to offer their opinion and it will only help keep standards high.
ReverendCounter said:
Ares said:
I've not said 'do one'?
Which is why I said, '(my words, not yours)'. Are you not effectively telling someone to get their automotive content elsewhere?...but only if they are not happy with free content?
I'm perhaps defensive over sensitive about criticism of those that provide free content, I am sometimes on the receiving end of it. But when I see a lot of needless criticism on here, I find it unfair and far more destructive that the flaws in the writing. Perhaps those quick to criticise, should proffer articles for publication?
Edited by Ares on Thursday 1st February 19:25
Ares said:
Perhaps those quick to criticise, should proffer articles for publication?
Well, that is certainly one approach - but I can't see myself offering amateur dentistry after seeing people leave a surgery in pain, for instance. Becoming a brickie after paying out for dodgy work; trying to persuade others to invest their cash after receiving poor advice from a financial advisor - where do you stop?Personally I think it's OK to call out bad work without there being an expectation to produce better but regardless, I can see we have differences re: writing styles and PH content etc, and I'm happy to agree to disagree.
Agdavie said:
I was told i couldn't get a certain Lamborghini for "someone" even though i had got the letter of intent through plus a deposit down in plenty of time. Lamborghini told me that we wouldn't get a car so I decided as its so common and the person who wanted this car would do anything to have one it would be worth seeing if i could do anything to change this. Funnily enough after meeting with the person in charge and an under the table offer was made i got one.
I was with you until you owned up to bunging someone to jump the queue (at the expense of someone else) And if the recipient was daft enough to get involved with this sort of behaviour for £5K he is quite frankly a pillock.
Hope your mate had a good win out of the Lambo when he flipped it 😉
Agdavie said:
The dealers don't lie to when they say to you that you were close to getting a car because that is the truth. Where it becomes more interesting is that you had a car till "some" guy walked into the dealership, had a word in the managers ear and said "ill give you 5k cash under the table if i get a car", guess what happens next? You get bumped from a list and the guy who offered the manager 5k (under the table) gets a car he will keep for 3 possibly 6 months then sell for a large profit.
It was the same with GT3's, GT4's, Spiders & RS's, its the same with Lamborghini's and its the same as most manufacturers and these limited edition cars that the enthusiasts/collectors miss out on.
I was told i couldn't get a certain Lamborghini for "someone" even though i had got the letter of intent through plus a deposit down in plenty of time. Lamborghini told me that we wouldn't get a car so I decided as its so common and the person who wanted this car would do anything to have one it would be worth seeing if i could do anything to change this. Funnily enough after meeting with the person in charge and an under the table offer was made i got one.
If the Manufacturers knew how rife this was in the trade and actually acted on it then these cars would be available but its now down to who has the deepest pockets rather than, who, in theory is the better customer. After the pockets have been lined accordingly the rest of the cars goes to the VIP customers who the Manufacturers want in there cars then if there are any left, they go down the list of everyone else.
In fact the only large manufacturer who probably has a grip on this is Ferrari as they have very strict rules they if you break them or the dealer does on your behalf then you'll be black listed from getting a new one for a period of time decided by Ferrari themselves.
As for the new Spyder it will be cracking car just like the 2 before it and if it does end up with the 4.0l from the GT3 then great stuff. The downside comes from the price that they will be when the allocation is gone and the "Flippers" start putting them on the market for a 20% premium.
Also the GT4 was probably the best car Porsche had made for a very long time. The GT3 was fast and very capable but being only PDK at the time it wasn't a purists car. Now the new GT3 can be bought in manual it will bring back those purists the they alienated and annoy all of those people who bought the 911R after being told it will be the last manual offering of that nature.
Wouldn't know where to start with this one.It was the same with GT3's, GT4's, Spiders & RS's, its the same with Lamborghini's and its the same as most manufacturers and these limited edition cars that the enthusiasts/collectors miss out on.
I was told i couldn't get a certain Lamborghini for "someone" even though i had got the letter of intent through plus a deposit down in plenty of time. Lamborghini told me that we wouldn't get a car so I decided as its so common and the person who wanted this car would do anything to have one it would be worth seeing if i could do anything to change this. Funnily enough after meeting with the person in charge and an under the table offer was made i got one.
If the Manufacturers knew how rife this was in the trade and actually acted on it then these cars would be available but its now down to who has the deepest pockets rather than, who, in theory is the better customer. After the pockets have been lined accordingly the rest of the cars goes to the VIP customers who the Manufacturers want in there cars then if there are any left, they go down the list of everyone else.
In fact the only large manufacturer who probably has a grip on this is Ferrari as they have very strict rules they if you break them or the dealer does on your behalf then you'll be black listed from getting a new one for a period of time decided by Ferrari themselves.
As for the new Spyder it will be cracking car just like the 2 before it and if it does end up with the 4.0l from the GT3 then great stuff. The downside comes from the price that they will be when the allocation is gone and the "Flippers" start putting them on the market for a 20% premium.
Also the GT4 was probably the best car Porsche had made for a very long time. The GT3 was fast and very capable but being only PDK at the time it wasn't a purists car. Now the new GT3 can be bought in manual it will bring back those purists the they alienated and annoy all of those people who bought the 911R after being told it will be the last manual offering of that nature.
davidc1 said:
Mintbird said:
pure speculation - no official word on a GT3 engine. my guess is a 390-410 reworked 2.5 4.
I agree with this. Lets see...By default, the 4.0 engine would make the Spyder a fully-fledged GT model and I can’t see that happening. I’m not sure either Porsche or it’s demographic want it?
I hope it’s NA, but it won’t have a GT engine (even in a detuned state) imho.
Spyder is effectively marketed now as a soft-top GT car. It will have a 6-cylinder unit and most likely the detuned 4.0 litre lump. This is one of the worse kept secrets in the Porsche world currently, you don't think all these 'spy' photographers have not heard it running whilst snapping away? Will be a very special car and initial allocation has long been spoken for.
av185 said:
Wouldn't know where to start with this one.
The guy is just opening the lid on how the whole limited models game is being played and the winners are the speculators and the corrupt dealers.He is not the first one and there are probably even more outrageous business practices.I cant afford even a lowly Cayman,but this is unacceptable.If i was Porsche i would set up a team with a full control over the allocation and the sale of the limited models.The dealerships would provide only the delivery of the cars.Then ban the OPC sale of any "used" 911 or mid-engined car in warranty with a pricetag,higher than the original price.Ban the servicing of any 911 or mid-engined car in warranty if the owner is not the first one AND the car is not sold via the OPC channels.The owners would have to sign this waiver.This would ensure that these cars are not sold to flippers.The owners can still sell the cars at the OPC courts anytime as long as the prices are not higher than those they bought the cars for.They can still sell the cars outside the OPC system,but the next owner would not be allowed to service his car at an OPC before the manifacturer warranty expires.
Naive,but effective solution,methinks.
cayman-black said:
Thank God they have put a proper engine in this and not some downsized unit, i mean come on a four cylinder engine , how the hell did they sell those?
I assume they cost less to tax in countries where engine capacity is a criterion for tax and the smaller engine probably means company/business tax isn’t as harsh. PhantomPH said:
FN2TypeR said:
Yipper said:
By putting your name down for an overpriced Beetle you know they won't sell you, you're just feeding the Porsche vampire squid that allows them to sneer at their customers like dirt. You're part of the problem...
You can dry your eyes, though. Rumours on several forums that the Boxster or Cayman may get canned for the next iteration, due to dropping sales in the US and elsewhere.
What?You can dry your eyes, though. Rumours on several forums that the Boxster or Cayman may get canned for the next iteration, due to dropping sales in the US and elsewhere.
ks".Future Of The Porsche 718 Boxster And Cayman Isn’t Looking Too Good
http://zazac.info/future-of-the-porsche-718-boxste...
mainaman said:
The guy is just opening the lid on how the whole limited models game is being played and the winners are the speculators and the corrupt dealers.He is not the first one and there are probably even more outrageous business practices.
I cant afford even a lowly Cayman,but this is unacceptable.If i was Porsche i would set up a team with a full control over the allocation and the sale of the limited models.The dealerships would provide only the delivery of the cars.Then ban the OPC sale of any "used" 911 or mid-engined car in warranty with a pricetag,higher than the original price.Ban the servicing of any 911 or mid-engined car in warranty if the owner is not the first one AND the car is not sold via the OPC channels.The owners would have to sign this waiver.This would ensure that these cars are not sold to flippers.The owners can still sell the cars at the OPC courts anytime as long as the prices are not higher than those they bought the cars for.They can still sell the cars outside the OPC system,but the next owner would not be allowed to service his car at an OPC before the manifacturer warranty expires.
Naive,but effective solution,methinks.
Great news for JZM et al.I cant afford even a lowly Cayman,but this is unacceptable.If i was Porsche i would set up a team with a full control over the allocation and the sale of the limited models.The dealerships would provide only the delivery of the cars.Then ban the OPC sale of any "used" 911 or mid-engined car in warranty with a pricetag,higher than the original price.Ban the servicing of any 911 or mid-engined car in warranty if the owner is not the first one AND the car is not sold via the OPC channels.The owners would have to sign this waiver.This would ensure that these cars are not sold to flippers.The owners can still sell the cars at the OPC courts anytime as long as the prices are not higher than those they bought the cars for.They can still sell the cars outside the OPC system,but the next owner would not be allowed to service his car at an OPC before the manifacturer warranty expires.
Naive,but effective solution,methinks.
Agdavie said:
The dealers don't lie to when they say to you that you were close to getting a car because that is the truth. Where it becomes more interesting is that you had a car till "some" guy walked into the dealership, had a word in the managers ear and said "ill give you 5k cash under the table if i get a car", guess what happens next? You get bumped from a list and the guy who offered the manager 5k (under the table) gets a car he will keep for 3 possibly 6 months then sell for a large profit.
It was the same with GT3's, GT4's, Spiders & RS's, its the same with Lamborghini's and its the same as most manufacturers and these limited edition cars that the enthusiasts/collectors miss out on.
I was told i couldn't get a certain Lamborghini for "someone" even though i had got the letter of intent through plus a deposit down in plenty of time. Lamborghini told me that we wouldn't get a car so I decided as its so common and the person who wanted this car would do anything to have one it would be worth seeing if i could do anything to change this. Funnily enough after meeting with the person in charge and an under the table offer was made i got one.
If the Manufacturers knew how rife this was in the trade and actually acted on it then these cars would be available but its now down to who has the deepest pockets rather than, who, in theory is the better customer. After the pockets have been lined accordingly the rest of the cars goes to the VIP customers who the Manufacturers want in there cars then if there are any left, they go down the list of everyone else.
In fact the only large manufacturer who probably has a grip on this is Ferrari as they have very strict rules they if you break them or the dealer does on your behalf then you'll be black listed from getting a new one for a period of time decided by Ferrari themselves.
As for the new Spyder it will be cracking car just like the 2 before it and if it does end up with the 4.0l from the GT3 then great stuff. The downside comes from the price that they will be when the allocation is gone and the "Flippers" start putting them on the market for a 20% premium.
Also the GT4 was probably the best car Porsche had made for a very long time. The GT3 was fast and very capable but being only PDK at the time it wasn't a purists car. Now the new GT3 can be bought in manual it will bring back those purists the they alienated and annoy all of those people who bought the 911R after being told it will be the last manual offering of that nature.
Shouldn’t take Lamborghini very long to work out who this guy is and where he bought his car from .It was the same with GT3's, GT4's, Spiders & RS's, its the same with Lamborghini's and its the same as most manufacturers and these limited edition cars that the enthusiasts/collectors miss out on.
I was told i couldn't get a certain Lamborghini for "someone" even though i had got the letter of intent through plus a deposit down in plenty of time. Lamborghini told me that we wouldn't get a car so I decided as its so common and the person who wanted this car would do anything to have one it would be worth seeing if i could do anything to change this. Funnily enough after meeting with the person in charge and an under the table offer was made i got one.
If the Manufacturers knew how rife this was in the trade and actually acted on it then these cars would be available but its now down to who has the deepest pockets rather than, who, in theory is the better customer. After the pockets have been lined accordingly the rest of the cars goes to the VIP customers who the Manufacturers want in there cars then if there are any left, they go down the list of everyone else.
In fact the only large manufacturer who probably has a grip on this is Ferrari as they have very strict rules they if you break them or the dealer does on your behalf then you'll be black listed from getting a new one for a period of time decided by Ferrari themselves.
As for the new Spyder it will be cracking car just like the 2 before it and if it does end up with the 4.0l from the GT3 then great stuff. The downside comes from the price that they will be when the allocation is gone and the "Flippers" start putting them on the market for a 20% premium.
Also the GT4 was probably the best car Porsche had made for a very long time. The GT3 was fast and very capable but being only PDK at the time it wasn't a purists car. Now the new GT3 can be bought in manual it will bring back those purists the they alienated and annoy all of those people who bought the 911R after being told it will be the last manual offering of that nature.
They could confirm it’s either b ollocks or true , if and it’s a very big if , it’s true , I’d be having the boys in blue involved as well as HMRC if I was them.
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