RE: Ares previews the future of coachbuilding

RE: Ares previews the future of coachbuilding

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jonm01

817 posts

237 months

Friday 2nd February 2018
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Andyt25 said:
I must be one of the few that thought the Lotus models Bahar was showing at motor shows looked amazing.
They looked like the cars you have in video games when you don't have the licence for real ones..

Paracetamol

4,225 posts

244 months

Friday 2nd February 2018
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Danny was right...Lotus were wrong..he got caught out when the company was sold to new ultra conservative investors who simply did not like his flamboyancy and wanted him out. The same fate could have hit Jaguar and Range Rover when Tata took over but Tata knew what to back and when.

Lotus has not really gone anywhere and I fully expect that its new Chinese owner will dust off a lot of the Bahar plans or at least his desire for change which will lead to the resurrection of a a super strong brand. Thank god no nore special edition Evoras and Elises ..what a relief.

Martin 480 Turbo

602 posts

187 months

Friday 2nd February 2018
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I am the first to admit that I was wrong on this one. Would never have thought, that they can deliver on the sketches.

Perhaps he's just doing better somewhere out where the sun sun shines.

oldtimer2

728 posts

133 months

Friday 2nd February 2018
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Traditional coach building flourished in the era of body on frame cars - long since replaced by unibody construction. That leaves much less scope for innovation especially as he is altering a donor car provided by the customer. Nevertheless it is clear that such a market exists for those ready to pay a lot more for something a bit different.

defonsecca

113 posts

85 months

Friday 2nd February 2018
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Someone as charismatic & flamboyant as Mr Bahar is far more suited to this role than that of MD at a "pukka" car company like Lotus. He can really let-loose here. I actually really admire the fella - what he did at the Paris Salon in 2010 launching FIVE new Lotus's, all of them absolutely stunning, was breathtaking. Total madness as it turns out ..... but petrolheads like us desperately need moments like that & people like him to do it. Franco Sbarro, Peter Monteverdi, Luigi Collani ...... he's in the same mould showing us amazing cars.

And whilst I hate all those ridiculous Defender, Mulsanne, Rolls etc conversions they make for tasteless millionaires, it bank-rolls Ares so they can (hopefully) launch stunning cars like the new Pantera & gorgeous-looking Ferrari 412 / GTC4 conversion. Bring 'em on!

Yipper

5,964 posts

90 months

Friday 2nd February 2018
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As Grand Tour mentioned a couple weeks ago, there are just way too many supercar brands out there and way too many niche customisers / wrappers / coachbuilders. It's getting to the point where there is a new £200k bit of slightly tweaked chintz launched every few days. Massive oversupply. Something's gotta give soon, even accounting for the rise of China and India.

ZX10R NIN

27,594 posts

125 months

Friday 2nd February 2018
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I wish them well I think they'll do fine some of their stuff looks stunning.

Wills2

22,802 posts

175 months

Friday 2nd February 2018
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ZX10R NIN said:
I wish them well I think they'll do fine some of their stuff looks stunning.
So do I, I think some of it looks great, good luck to him.



carlpea

381 posts

139 months

Friday 2nd February 2018
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lindrup119 said:
The Crack Fox said:
Can someone photoshop the picture of the factory with ARES on the sign, to say ARSE, please?

This one..



Ta.
Botch job for ya:


Half a botch job


BVB

1,102 posts

153 months

Friday 2nd February 2018
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That 412 remake looks gorgeous. Almost a complete copy of the original.

ads_green

838 posts

232 months

Saturday 3rd February 2018
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Paracetamol said:
Danny was right...Lotus were wrong..he got caught out when the company was sold to new ultra conservative investors who simply did not like his flamboyancy and wanted him out. The same fate could have hit Jaguar and Range Rover when Tata took over but Tata knew what to back and when.

Lotus has not really gone anywhere and I fully expect that its new Chinese owner will dust off a lot of the Bahar plans or at least his desire for change which will lead to the resurrection of a a super strong brand. Thank god no nore special edition Evoras and Elises ..what a relief.
The cars he promised worked on fairy dust. 300 hp 1.6 4 cylinder with 90g/km?
The issue was he ran the place as if he had a bottomless pit of cash. Private jets everywhere, massive estates rented (and expensed).
He burnt through what? In excess of 100 million and delivered nothing. Doesn’t take a genius to do that.

However in a role where money is no object then he probably will do well. He was just totally the wrong person for lotus

PBDirector

1,049 posts

130 months

Saturday 3rd February 2018
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great! now the spartan helmet in that logo needs to be replaced with the angry helmet in this picture:


AW111

9,674 posts

133 months

Sunday 4th February 2018
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PBDirector said:
great! now the spartan helmet in that logo needs to be replaced with the angry helmet in this picture:

carlpea

381 posts

139 months

Sunday 4th February 2018
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AW111 said:
PBDirector said:
great! now the spartan helmet in that logo needs to be replaced with the angry helmet in this picture: