RE: BMW M3 to finish production early
Discussion
RoverP6B said:
Wills2 said:
Proven where in a dream you had? My F80 M3 is 30% more fuel efficient than my old e92 M3.
Ask any number of Porsche 718 Boxster & 991 small-t turbo owners, for a start - actually significantly thirstier than the old N/A flat sixes. Golf R 2.0T also not more fuel efficient than the old N/A VR6. AMG 5.5 and 4.0 turbo V8s just as bad on fuel in the real world (if not worse) as the M156.You however have zero personal experience of the subject but you just carry on with your usual drivel.....
Wills2 said:
RoverP6B said:
Wills2 said:
Proven where in a dream you had? My F80 M3 is 30% more fuel efficient than my old e92 M3.
Ask any number of Porsche 718 Boxster & 991 small-t turbo owners, for a start - actually significantly thirstier than the old N/A flat sixes. Golf R 2.0T also not more fuel efficient than the old N/A VR6. AMG 5.5 and 4.0 turbo V8s just as bad on fuel in the real world (if not worse) as the M156.You however have zero personal experience of the subject but you just carry on with your usual drivel.....
Ares said:
Wills2 said:
RoverP6B said:
Wills2 said:
Proven where in a dream you had? My F80 M3 is 30% more fuel efficient than my old e92 M3.
Ask any number of Porsche 718 Boxster & 991 small-t turbo owners, for a start - actually significantly thirstier than the old N/A flat sixes. Golf R 2.0T also not more fuel efficient than the old N/A VR6. AMG 5.5 and 4.0 turbo V8s just as bad on fuel in the real world (if not worse) as the M156.You however have zero personal experience of the subject but you just carry on with your usual drivel.....
Ares said:
Gameface said:
Ares said:
Another great car killed off prematurely to appease tree-huggers.
Great car? Will these not be the least fondly remembered M3(4) version ever?RoverP6B said:
Ares said:
Gameface said:
Ares said:
Another great car killed off prematurely to appease tree-huggers.
Great car? Will these not be the least fondly remembered M3(4) version ever?If his E46 M3 is quicker BTG than an M4, then it's his lack of familiarity with the M4, not the car.
I had an E46 M3. Loved it, fabulous car. When I had the current M3 for a 4 days weekend with the view to buying it, I was staggered how much it had moved the game on.
Gameface said:
Which version had worse reviews than this one?
You will never please everyone, when the E92 M3 launched with a V8 most moaned it wasn't a straight six...they go back to a straight six and make it quicker/more usable as a daily/more fuel efficient...everyone still moans. RoverP6B said:
One single anecdotal piece of evidence from one owner/driver doesn't disprove the weight of evidence...
RoverP6B said:
I was talking to a guy who lives near the Nürburgring, he said he found the M3/4s he'd driven (several of them) dull, inert, too tall, and prone to snap oversteer...
RoverP6B said:
One single anecdotal piece of evidence from one owner/driver doesn't disprove the weight of evidence...
What weight of evidence? From a bloke that has zero experience or from someone who has driven 170,000 miles across 4.0V8, 3.8 F6 and 3.0 6 turbo. No I'd go for the guy talking out of his arse every time...
55,000 miles 997.2 911 C2S average mpg 23
52,000 miles E92 M3 x 2 average mpg 23
64,000 miles F80 m3 average mpg 30
Same driving profile.
Edited by Wills2 on Friday 9th February 21:07
I don't think they're bad cars at all (current M3). When first launched, the combination of very on the nose handling and an engine with a whole heap of shove early in the rev range moving to a oh-ffs-where-did-that-come-from later on, meant it gained a reputation as lacking finesse and even being a bit nutty.
Add to that the perennial "oh it's big", "oh it's heavy", "oh it hasn't got the same steering feel as an E30" that gets trotted out every single time BMW foolishly launch a new M3, and you have a persona driven by irrelevant hyperbole rather than reality.
Ongoing tinkering by BMW with the chassis, diff and power delivery, culminating in the Competition Pack, has ironed out most of the psychotic element.
The reality is that it's a circa 450bhp saloon (ie. 911 S power) with the space to carry 4 people very quickly in decent comfort and all the latest trickery, at less than £70k. If you potter it will do 30mpg. On track it's more interesting than a 3 Series has any right to be.
I'm not sure what to replace mine with when the time comes, the truth being it'll almost have to be another small sports saloon, or split into 911 for jollies and RR for pottering.
Add to that the perennial "oh it's big", "oh it's heavy", "oh it hasn't got the same steering feel as an E30" that gets trotted out every single time BMW foolishly launch a new M3, and you have a persona driven by irrelevant hyperbole rather than reality.
Ongoing tinkering by BMW with the chassis, diff and power delivery, culminating in the Competition Pack, has ironed out most of the psychotic element.
The reality is that it's a circa 450bhp saloon (ie. 911 S power) with the space to carry 4 people very quickly in decent comfort and all the latest trickery, at less than £70k. If you potter it will do 30mpg. On track it's more interesting than a 3 Series has any right to be.
I'm not sure what to replace mine with when the time comes, the truth being it'll almost have to be another small sports saloon, or split into 911 for jollies and RR for pottering.
janesmith1950 said:
I don't think they're bad cars at all (current M3). When first launched, the combination of very on the nose handling and an engine with a whole heap of shove early in the rev range moving to a oh-ffs-where-did-that-come-from later on, meant it gained a reputation as lacking finesse and even being a bit nutty.
Add to that the perennial "oh it's big", "oh it's heavy", "oh it hasn't got the same steering feel as an E30" that gets trotted out every single time BMW foolishly launch a new M3, and you have a persona driven by irrelevant hyperbole rather than reality.
Ongoing tinkering by BMW with the chassis, diff and power delivery, culminating in the Competition Pack, has ironed out most of the psychotic element.
The reality is that it's a circa 450bhp saloon (ie. 911 S power) with the space to carry 4 people very quickly in decent comfort and all the latest trickery, at less than £70k. If you potter it will do 30mpg. On track it's more interesting than a 3 Series has any right to be.
I'm not sure what to replace mine with when the time comes, the truth being it'll almost have to be another small sports saloon, or split into 911 for jollies and RR for pottering.
That is spot on. The M3 has always been 911 pace/performance but with 4 doors/4seats. It's trendy the slag off a BMW, and even trendier to slag off any M3 after the E30 (usually from a position of utter ignorance), but the current M3 (in CP guise) is a fantastic car and possesses the capability way beyond where any saloon car should in the modern world.Add to that the perennial "oh it's big", "oh it's heavy", "oh it hasn't got the same steering feel as an E30" that gets trotted out every single time BMW foolishly launch a new M3, and you have a persona driven by irrelevant hyperbole rather than reality.
Ongoing tinkering by BMW with the chassis, diff and power delivery, culminating in the Competition Pack, has ironed out most of the psychotic element.
The reality is that it's a circa 450bhp saloon (ie. 911 S power) with the space to carry 4 people very quickly in decent comfort and all the latest trickery, at less than £70k. If you potter it will do 30mpg. On track it's more interesting than a 3 Series has any right to be.
I'm not sure what to replace mine with when the time comes, the truth being it'll almost have to be another small sports saloon, or split into 911 for jollies and RR for pottering.
Gameface said:
Nothing trendy about it whatsoever. BMW dropped the ball with this version and have been striving to correct that from day one. Something they've achieved with the CP and CS versions.
Several years ago I bought a new V8 model coupe. At the time I bought it, everyone was b
hing and moaning about it not being a true M model as it was a V8. Nowadays, everyone raves on about itI’ve now got an M4 Comp Pack, which many people seem to be dismissing as not a true M car, as it’s got a turbo, or some other reason.
In a few years there’ll be another M3/4 in production and many will say it’s not a true M car, because of x, y or z. They’ll all then rave on about this current model being amazing.
These comments also tend to come from people, who’ve never driven one and base their whole opinion on magazine reviews. See the Ferrari California thread for similar I’ll informed comments.
Gameface said:
Nothing trendy about it whatsoever. BMW dropped the ball with this version and have been striving to correct that from day one. Something they've achieved with the CP and CS versions.
They didn't drop the ball. They released a car that was perhaps a 95%-er. They've since upped it to a 99%-er (in it's sector).Was it a mistake to not launch the 99%-er straight away.....or fantastic business sense to launch revised models every couple of years...?
Gavia said:
Gameface said:
Nothing trendy about it whatsoever. BMW dropped the ball with this version and have been striving to correct that from day one. Something they've achieved with the CP and CS versions.
Several years ago I bought a new V8 model coupe. At the time I bought it, everyone was bhing and moaning about it not being a true M model as it was a V8. Nowadays, everyone raves on about itI’ve now got an M4 Comp Pack, which many people seem to be dismissing as not a true M car, as it’s got a turbo, or some other reason.
In a few years there’ll be another M3/4 in production and many will say it’s not a true M car, because of x, y or z. They’ll all then rave on about this current model being amazing.
These comments also tend to come from people, who’ve never driven one and base their whole opinion on magazine reviews. See the Ferrari California thread for similar I’ll informed comments.
Those that actually buy them (or look to buy them) love it.
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