RE: BMW M3 to finish production early

RE: BMW M3 to finish production early

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TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

72 months

Monday 12th February 2018
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Ares said:
Gameface said:
Nothing trendy about it whatsoever. BMW dropped the ball with this version and have been striving to correct that from day one. Something they've achieved with the CP and CS versions.
They didn't drop the ball. They released a car that was perhaps a 95%-er. They've since upped it to a 99%-er (in it's sector).

Was it a mistake to not launch the 99%-er straight away.....or fantastic business sense to launch revised models every couple of years...?
How bad would an M-badged car have to be for you to admit that it's really not all that?

Ares

8,709 posts

66 months

Monday 12th February 2018
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TooMany2cvs said:
Ares said:
Gameface said:
Nothing trendy about it whatsoever. BMW dropped the ball with this version and have been striving to correct that from day one. Something they've achieved with the CP and CS versions.
They didn't drop the ball. They released a car that was perhaps a 95%-er. They've since upped it to a 99%-er (in it's sector).

Was it a mistake to not launch the 99%-er straight away.....or fantastic business sense to launch revised models every couple of years...?
How bad would an M-badged car have to be for you to admit that it's really not all that?
Yes, but an 'really not all that' M car is still a great car. Ditto a (proper) AMG, or RS. Jump out of whatever you think is the worse of that breed and into a Toyota Avensis, or a Kia Whatever, or a Sporty Vauxhall or Ford Saloon and see what I mean.


TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

72 months

Monday 12th February 2018
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Ares said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Ares said:
Gameface said:
Nothing trendy about it whatsoever. BMW dropped the ball with this version and have been striving to correct that from day one. Something they've achieved with the CP and CS versions.
They didn't drop the ball. They released a car that was perhaps a 95%-er. They've since upped it to a 99%-er (in it's sector).

Was it a mistake to not launch the 99%-er straight away.....or fantastic business sense to launch revised models every couple of years...?
How bad would an M-badged car have to be for you to admit that it's really not all that?
Yes, but an 'really not all that' M car is still a great car. Ditto a (proper) AMG, or RS. Jump out of whatever you think is the worse of that breed and into a Toyota Avensis, or a Kia Whatever, or a Sporty Vauxhall or Ford Saloon and see what I mean.
Oh, don't worry. I see exactly what you mean.

Tankrizzo

5,216 posts

139 months

Monday 12th February 2018
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A lot of OEMs aren't going to be ready for September anyway. The organisations doing the WLTP testing are backed-up with schedules, plus there's the added complication that vehicle options will also have CO2 values against them to allow for accurate calculation of figures (you might have specced a 4-series through a company scheme before with bigger wheels, and then been hit by an extra BIK bill once the DVLA logged the actual calculated CO2 value).

This is going to have quite a lot of impact on company car schemes which should be the real story for PH here. Tax bandings aren't changing for the moment and all schemes with CO2 limits will see changes.

Matt Bird

1,112 posts

151 months

PH Reportery Lad

Tuesday 20th February 2018
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I-Mac said:
I do not often post on here.....but I feel I must. The quality of PH and PH articles has been going south for some time, but the slack journalism employed here seems to be the norm....The link to the "Manual" M3 turns out to be yet another DCT equipped car..... Come on PH...you need to pull your socks up. There is no excuse for this, and whilst the dealer may have listed the car incorrectly, a quick look at the pictures would have revealed all.....
Apologies for the error, honest mistake and nothing more suspicious! It's sorted now, apologies for the delay.


Matt

Wills2

16,067 posts

121 months

Wednesday 21st February 2018
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Gavia said:
Several years ago I bought a new V8 model coupe. At the time I bought it, everyone was bhing and moaning about it not being a true M model as it was a V8. Nowadays, everyone raves on about it

I’ve now got an M4 Comp Pack, which many people seem to be dismissing as not a true M car, as it’s got a turbo, or some other reason.

In a few years there’ll be another M3/4 in production and many will say it’s not a true M car, because of x, y or z. They’ll all then rave on about this current model being amazing.

These comments also tend to come from people, who’ve never driven one and base their whole opinion on magazine reviews. See the Ferrari California thread for similar I’ll informed comments.
Spot on, it's a case of rinse and repeat and as you said generally from people who haven't got a clue.



bcadou

208 posts

126 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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Hello

do you think this news means BMW wont be able to legally sell those uncompliant m3s after a certain date? And therefore there might be a chance to grab a nice discount, approaching that date, as BMW will have to get rid of the last remaining m3s while they can sell them?

I am probably dreaming here, and I expect to be told so smile

thx

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

72 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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bcadou said:
do you think this news means BMW wont be able to legally sell those uncompliant m3s after a certain date? And therefore there might be a chance to grab a nice discount, approaching that date, as BMW will have to get rid of the last remaining m3s while they can sell them?
I wonder how many they keep in stock... Probably not many at all.

Chestrockwell

1,949 posts

103 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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bcadou said:
Hello

do you think this news means BMW wont be able to legally sell those uncompliant m3s after a certain date? And therefore there might be a chance to grab a nice discount, approaching that date, as BMW will have to get rid of the last remaining m3s while they can sell them?

I am probably dreaming here, and I expect to be told so smile

thx
Well according to lease deals M3’s are pretty pricey compared to M4’s, saw a 9+23 deal on 465 a month on a DCT M4.

Not sure how it will work but I will be checking a lot now that you’ve mentioned it.


legless

915 posts

86 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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bcadou said:
Hello

do you think this news means BMW wont be able to legally sell those uncompliant m3s after a certain date? And therefore there might be a chance to grab a nice discount, approaching that date, as BMW will have to get rid of the last remaining m3s while they can sell them?

I am probably dreaming here, and I expect to be told so smile

thx
It all depends what derogation terms the government come up with, which in typical public sector style have not yet been confirmed.

This determines what is effectively an amnesty period during which the manufacturers will be able to sell remaining NEDC-homologated stock after the official cutover to WLTP.

Similar things happen when there's a switchover to new emissions standards (EU5->EU6 etc).

daemon

23,799 posts

143 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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bcadou said:
Hello

do you think this news means BMW wont be able to legally sell those uncompliant m3s after a certain date? And therefore there might be a chance to grab a nice discount, approaching that date, as BMW will have to get rid of the last remaining m3s while they can sell them?

I am probably dreaming here, and I expect to be told so smile

thx
Is it that they can no longer sell them new or can no longer build them?

If they cant sell them new after that date, they'll most likely pre-reg any in advance.

Gavia

7,627 posts

37 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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It’s fairly straightforward and what definitely will not happen is a multi-billion pound business getting caught with a load of stock they have to scrap / giveaway.

Firstly, they’ll get a grace period to sell off stock new, this can be a long time, with motorbikes it’s up to two years when Euro emissions level regs change, so expect a long lead time.

If that timescale passes, or if they just want to, they’ll simply pre-register them and sell them on after 3 months with less than 100 miles on the clock, or let the Dealer Principals drive round in them for a bit and sell them a bit cheaper with 3000+ miles on them. Used stock can be sold indefinitely, as proven by every used car dealer out there.

bcadou

208 posts

126 months

Monday 23rd April 2018
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thank you