RE: Vauxhall Corsa VXR Clubsport: Spotted
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I've had one of these and a Mk7 Fiesta ST and the Corsa was the better handling car by far. The ride is so stiff on the fiesta so it just bounces down the road.
VXR Clubsport was a fantastic little car only let down by the interior being a bit bland. Saying that the Fiesta isn't much better with it's button fest dash.
Corsa VXR Clubsport with a MK7 Fiesta ST engine would be perfect though!
VXR Clubsport was a fantastic little car only let down by the interior being a bit bland. Saying that the Fiesta isn't much better with it's button fest dash.
Corsa VXR Clubsport with a MK7 Fiesta ST engine would be perfect though!
topless360 said:
In a straight line maybe, everywhere else just no. The Fiesta ST is the better drivers car whichever way you look at it.
Fiesta ST also has a remap option, so your argument is invalid.
It speaks volumes that the article suggests the main advantage of the Corsa is it's cheaper than the alternatives. You get what you pay for ultimately.
fiesta st's remapped are ~215bhp though, a clubsport goes to around 257bhp Fiesta ST also has a remap option, so your argument is invalid.
It speaks volumes that the article suggests the main advantage of the Corsa is it's cheaper than the alternatives. You get what you pay for ultimately.
I own a fiesta st and think they're great but can also see the appeal of these.
ManaghGB said:
I've had one of these and a Mk7 Fiesta ST and the Corsa was the better handling car by far. The ride is so stiff on the fiesta so it just bounces down the road.
VXR Clubsport was a fantastic little car only let down by the interior being a bit bland. Saying that the Fiesta isn't much better with it's button fest dash.
Corsa VXR Clubsport with a MK7 Fiesta ST engine would be perfect though!
What psi did you have the tyres, specifically the rear? You needed them at 26-27psi, above 30 and the rear end would bounce about at speed ruining the handling. I think I had them set at 32psi front, 26/27psi rear.VXR Clubsport was a fantastic little car only let down by the interior being a bit bland. Saying that the Fiesta isn't much better with it's button fest dash.
Corsa VXR Clubsport with a MK7 Fiesta ST engine would be perfect though!
WCZ said:
fiesta st's remapped are ~215bhp though, a clubsport goes to around 257bhp
I own a fiesta st and think they're great but can also see the appeal of these.
That's with the basic Mountune pack though. You'd only go for that to preserve your Ford warranty. Fiesta ST's at 10k will be out of warranty. Places like Revo have them going up to around 240bhp+ on standard internals from a basic map and running absolutely fine.I own a fiesta st and think they're great but can also see the appeal of these.
Bear in mind that piston 4 issues are known to occur even without any messing around with the engine. I'd be very concerned with a Corsa VXR running 257 bhp that hasn't been forged, which in turn costs alot more. The Fiesta, on the other hand, seem pretty damn solid.
I did a vxr day too. so in 1 hour I managed 3 corsas, 2 astras and 1 insignia.
insignia deceptively fast, but too big and heavy for fun. certainly smooth and rapid.
astra in the middle. surprise.
corsa to my mind was detached, rolled a lot and the steering was too vague. That was only on track so maybe they're more suited to the road? A Clio is far more engaging imo.
I have no stake in either camp btw.
insignia deceptively fast, but too big and heavy for fun. certainly smooth and rapid.
astra in the middle. surprise.
corsa to my mind was detached, rolled a lot and the steering was too vague. That was only on track so maybe they're more suited to the road? A Clio is far more engaging imo.
I have no stake in either camp btw.
DuncB7 said:
Driving within the law on the road, you're not going to make any real use of that LSD and that seems to be the only positive part about the Corsa vs. Fiesta.
Disagree with this, an LSD makes a powerful FWD car much nicer to use for booting it off roundabouts and those sorts of things you can still legally and safely enjoy doing,These look great on paper, but the mechanicals are made of chocolate.
We had one in the workshop (VX main dealer), that went through two engines and gearboxes, as well as having other issues, all within the warranty period. The owner used the car on track, which meant that the warranty claims should have been void.
The technician being the good guy that he his informed Vauxhall the car had only been used on the road to get the warranty claims validated for the owner.
I've never understood how manufactures can produce a performance/track spec car, and manage to slide of any warranty claims relating to parts failure due to track use.
We had one in the workshop (VX main dealer), that went through two engines and gearboxes, as well as having other issues, all within the warranty period. The owner used the car on track, which meant that the warranty claims should have been void.
The technician being the good guy that he his informed Vauxhall the car had only been used on the road to get the warranty claims validated for the owner.
I've never understood how manufactures can produce a performance/track spec car, and manage to slide of any warranty claims relating to parts failure due to track use.
dme123 said:
DuncB7 said:
Driving within the law on the road, you're not going to make any real use of that LSD and that seems to be the only positive part about the Corsa vs. Fiesta.
Disagree with this, an LSD makes a powerful FWD car much nicer to use for booting it off roundabouts and those sorts of things you can still legally and safely enjoy doing,FWIW even without LSD my 217HP FWD is lovely for booting off roundabouts. It actually pulls *in* to the corner almost like it had one. It's less understeery than some RWD cars I've driven! Unless you just mash the throttle with full lock on of course. Then it'll go straight on.
culpz said:
That's with the basic Mountune pack though. You'd only go for that to preserve your Ford warranty. Fiesta ST's at 10k will be out of warranty. Places like Revo have them going up to around 240bhp+ on standard internals from a basic map and running absolutely fine.
Bear in mind that piston 4 issues are known to occur even without any messing around with the engine. I'd be very concerned with a Corsa VXR running 257 bhp that hasn't been forged, which in turn costs alot more. The Fiesta, on the other hand, seem pretty damn solid.
do they actually remap to 240bhp though? I've heard people state they couldnt really tell the diff between a 215moun and a 240 revo mapBear in mind that piston 4 issues are known to occur even without any messing around with the engine. I'd be very concerned with a Corsa VXR running 257 bhp that hasn't been forged, which in turn costs alot more. The Fiesta, on the other hand, seem pretty damn solid.
WCZ said:
do they actually remap to 240bhp though? I've heard people state they couldnt really tell the diff between a 215moun and a 240 revo map
I couldn't. I had the MP215 with intake/exhaust and it felt exactly like a Revo mapped car, no notable difference. One of the figures advertised must be quite off! Torque was the most noticeable difference with the map and it pulled much harder at lower revs. I remember my Fiesta feeling torquier (correct spelling?) than my mapped diesel Leon.In regard to the VXR clubsport, never driven one or known anybody with one but I wouldn't dismiss it. It would probably be a very decent car and a lot of fun.
CABC said:
I did a vxr day too. so in 1 hour I managed 3 corsas, 2 astras and 1 insignia.
insignia deceptively fast, but too big and heavy for fun. certainly smooth and rapid.
astra in the middle. surprise.
corsa to my mind was detached, rolled a lot and the steering was too vague. That was only on track so maybe they're more suited to the road? A Clio is far more engaging imo.
I have no stake in either camp btw.
But the 3 Corsas that you drove, were these stansard VXR's or the Clubsport that is being discussed? I have no desire to own a normal Corsa VXR, but I would love a Clubsport as this was so much better in the handling stakes with the Bilstein dampers & LSD.insignia deceptively fast, but too big and heavy for fun. certainly smooth and rapid.
astra in the middle. surprise.
corsa to my mind was detached, rolled a lot and the steering was too vague. That was only on track so maybe they're more suited to the road? A Clio is far more engaging imo.
I have no stake in either camp btw.
Roastie ITR said:
But the 3 Corsas that you drove, were these stansard VXR's or the Clubsport that is being discussed? I have no desire to own a normal Corsa VXR, but I would love a Clubsport as this was so much better in the handling stakes with the Bilstein dampers & LSD.
vxr experience day, so standard I presume. I can see how Bilis and lsd would help handling, true. what about the steering? Had a Corsa GSI years ago. Engine failed requiring a new one. Vauxhall didn't want to know, in fact they lost the full service history when it went in for inspection. Time and the Internet has proven faults with the engines. As a consequence and due to my experiences I have never - and will never buy another Vauxhall. When I hear of the next round of redundacies made by Vauxhall I remember a bad experience with both the product and customer service.
I have a Fiesta ST and just cannot bring myself to find the Corsa attractive, in any way.
I can't put my finger on it but my reaction to the styling (not the badge) has always been "Ugh".
Then again, I have seen the 2018 Fiesta ST and would rule that out also, based on it's superbland looks. Need to look elsewhere.
I can't put my finger on it but my reaction to the styling (not the badge) has always been "Ugh".
Then again, I have seen the 2018 Fiesta ST and would rule that out also, based on it's superbland looks. Need to look elsewhere.
Edited by LuS1fer on Monday 12th February 19:06
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