RE: Toyota teases new Supra (again)

RE: Toyota teases new Supra (again)

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Tuvra

7,921 posts

225 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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Yipper said:
Promise = baby LFA...
Reality = overpriced GT86 with a turbo...
If it looked like the renders above, was 1400kg or less, had the B58 BMW engine and the driving character of the GT86 it would be some car!

Price it the same as the Audi TT-RS, Porsche Cayman S & Jaguar F-Type (£51k) and they should be a massive success.

loose cannon

6,029 posts

241 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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Tuvra said:
If it looks like the FT-1 concept and is sub £50k, I am in:-


That rendering for me should of had tvr Griffith written on it

shibby!

921 posts

198 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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Based on those drawings and at 60k! Im in.

I have an Exige right now, and it was great value at 50k ish. But they are just getting more and more expensive, same goes for the Evora.

This looks like it will fill in the 50-60k price gap and with looks like that and that price point..... Unfortunately the test mules dont look as amazing as those pictures.

Civpilot

6,235 posts

240 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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loose cannon said:
Tuvra said:
If it looks like the FT-1 concept and is sub £50k, I am in:-


That rendering for me should of had tvr Griffith written on it
They are not renderings though.

They are photos of the full size (working) FT-1 concept car that was originally painted red. They repainted it that liquid metal/grey colour for a Japanese motor show then sent it on a round of appearances at various shows. Pretty sure the photos above were taken during it's Pebble Beach appearance...



Tuvra

7,921 posts

225 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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Civpilot said:
They are not renderings though.

They are photos of the full size (working) FT-1 concept car that was originally painted red. They repainted it that liquid metal/grey colour for a Japanese motor show then sent it on a round of appearances at various shows. Pretty sure the photos above were taken during it's Pebble Beach appearance...

Imagine that in black! eek

RB5_245

72 posts

213 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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Atomic12C said:
when you think about it who with say £80k is going to buy a toyota over a porsche ?

It looks like it will be priced similar to the M4, but aimed at competing with the 911. Which actually is a large gap in the current pricing market.


I agree that if they don't produce a manual gearbox option, the Supra will die a quick death.
The same people that will buy a Nissan over a Porsche.

However, I'd agree with you. Unless by some miracle it comes out with the M4 engine, DCT and hybrid it's not going to be in GTR league.

If it does, I'll place my deposit now! But there's no way a shared platform car is going to be that specialized.

Fetchez la vache

5,572 posts

214 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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All this talk of being called Toyota vs Lexus... I thought they were launching the Gazoo Racing brand with it?

loose cannon

6,029 posts

241 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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Civpilot said:
They are not renderings though.

They are photos of the full size (working) FT-1 concept car that was originally painted red. They repainted it that liquid metal/grey colour for a Japanese motor show then sent it on a round of appearances at various shows. Pretty sure the photos above were taken during it's Pebble Beach appearance...

I’m well aware it was a real mock up or rendering it’s been posted on here weekly for ages about how next week a thousand brake fire breathing supra will be back, except it just won’t and if it does it will have a tiny ice engine with battery power

Atomic12C

5,180 posts

217 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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RB5_245 said:
However, I'd agree with you. Unless by some miracle it comes out with the M4 engine, DCT and hybrid it's not going to be in GTR league.
To be fair I don't think it needs to compete with the GTR, 911 Turbo or the new NSX.
The Supra (in MkIV guise) was all about having a sports-GT in a sleek looking coupe shaped car that offered plenty driver involvement.
If the one that is owned by one of my employees is anything to go by then the Supra also offered decent track performance and a comfortable/practical long distance capability.

So I guess the MkV will be similar. It doesn't need huge power and definitely not 4WD, as I think Toyota are aiming for a gap in the current market that sits between the M4 and the 911/GTR etc.

Just have to wait and see if they have retained the analogue feel, or if they've gone boring digital (as many un-involved cars have become these days).

leef44

4,381 posts

153 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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Theexscientist said:
Cue massive disappointment from everyone when they announce after two years build up that it'll be over £100k.
This is actually a good point! Another car which I can dream about owning only to realise that I can't afford it by the time prices are announced

aquarianone

498 posts

177 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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Tuvra said:
Imagine that in black! eek
Jr bat mobile, for the man about town thumbup



PhantomPH

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4,043 posts

225 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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Autocar have pulled the image out a bit - shape looks quite nice:


Tuvra

7,921 posts

225 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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leef44 said:
Theexscientist said:
Cue massive disappointment from everyone when they announce after two years build up that it'll be over £100k.
This is actually a good point! Another car which I can dream about owning only to realise that I can't afford it by the time prices are announced
Dare I say it, but if it looks like the prototype and had say the M4 engine, gearbox etc, would £100k be a ridiculous price?

In a world where a 575 F-Type costs £112k, R8 costs £112k and the new Vantage costs £120k, I think there would be a place in the world for a £90-100k Toyota eek

Imagine this:-

With the performance and price tag of a Nissan GTR (£85k) eek

nickfrog

21,095 posts

217 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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Tuvra said:
If it looked like the renders above, was 1400kg or less, had the B58 BMW engine and the driving character of the GT86 it would be some car!

Price it the same as the Audi TT-RS, Porsche Cayman S & Jaguar F-Type (£51k) and they should be a massive success.
Exactly. Besides, Toyota haven't promised it would be a baby LFA, whatever that means in Yipper's damaged head.

codieskid

480 posts

202 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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I owned 3 MKIV Supras over the years and loved them as sports GT cars. I was never that bothered that they weren't the sharpest driving cars as the were fast, comfortable GT cars with enough space to squeeze some kids in the back and a couple of bags in the boot. To me the 2+2 coupe sector is almost dead and I can't see the new Supra being anything like the previous gen car.

As for styling I hate to say it but there is no way it's looking like an FT-1. If it does then I will happily place a deposit but as this is a BMW partnership I don't have high hopes after seeing what they did with the 8 series from the concept stage.







Edited by codieskid on Wednesday 14th February 16:21

PhantomPH

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4,043 posts

225 months

Wednesday 14th February 2018
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codieskid said:
As for styling I hate to say it but there is no way it's looking like an FT-1. If it does then I will happily place a deposit but as this is a BMW partnership I don't have high hopes after seeing what they did with the 8 series from the concept stage.
Concept cars really are the ultimate bait and switch. And we all for it every time despite our better selves.

tankplanker

2,479 posts

279 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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The Lexus LC isn't that far off from concept to production: http://www.caradvice.com.au/409580/lexus-lc500-vs-...

I just wish it weighed a bit less as its approaching 2000kg, oh and the silver plastic on the back should be metal.

LordGrover

33,538 posts

212 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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PhantomPH

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4,043 posts

225 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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anonymous said:
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This is becoming hugely disappointing.

tankplanker

2,479 posts

279 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Is that a magazine's render of what they think it'll look like rather than the actual thing? Cause I certainly hope so.