Pickup trucks as daily drivers...
Discussion
South tdf said:
I know someone that ordered an X Class last year but pulled the order when he realised it is just a Navara with better badge. Nothing against the latest Navara’s but I hope they are better than the last ones (1st gen threw engines and second gen snapped).
Ford Ranger or VW Amorak on the other hand, great trucks but both huge when it comes to parking.
You really need to watch the weight of the trucks too, Ranger and Amarok are both over 2t so you’re limited to 50mph on A roads and 60mph on dual carridgeways.Ford Ranger or VW Amorak on the other hand, great trucks but both huge when it comes to parking.
The x-class is just a navara, but with a new nose and nicer interior. For about 10k extra.
Navaras now have a 5 year 100k warranty, I think it’s to try and get away from the previous models issues.
HD Adam said:
If only somebody would invent a lockable bed cover for my truck 
I have 3 pick up trucks.
2 are daily drivers, one is a toy. Never had an issue,
So, you put your shopping in the "boot", apply the brakes and it all slides to the front of the bed. How do you then retrieve it? I have 3 pick up trucks.
2 are daily drivers, one is a toy. Never had an issue,
Unless a pickup has a dropside bed that can be loaded with a forklift it is little more than a leather posing pouch.
HD Adam said:
alabbasi said:
The open bed may not be that appealing in the wet weather climate of England and as nobody owns guns, i suspect that it would be just a matter of time before someone will walk up to your truck while you're sitting in traffic and walk off with whatever you have in the bed.
If only somebody would invent a lockable bed cover for my truck I have 3 pick up trucks.
2 are daily drivers, one is a toy. Never had an issue,
I currently run an E46 M3 (itself fairly thirsty) but only do 4K miles/year these days so could cope with the low mpg. I just love the idea of wafting around with a big lazy V8 under the bonnet.
My brother’s wife denied him an L200 with the inimitable words, “there’s no way I’m going anywhere in a Billy Bob truck!”
Willy Nilly said:
HD Adam said:
If only somebody would invent a lockable bed cover for my truck
I have 3 pick up trucks.
2 are daily drivers, one is a toy. Never had an issue,
So, you put your shopping in the "boot", apply the brakes and it all slides to the front of the bed. How do you then retrieve it? I have 3 pick up trucks.
2 are daily drivers, one is a toy. Never had an issue,
Unless a pickup has a dropside bed that can be loaded with a forklift it is little more than a leather posing pouch.
But generally, I put it in the back as the rear seats fold flat and give you a load space.
alabbasi said:
HD Adam said:
If only somebody would invent a lockable bed cover for my truck
I have 3 pick up trucks.
2 are daily drivers, one is a toy. Never had an issue,
More power to you. One of my super duty pickups has a fiberglass bed lid like that. It's alright, but you're not going to be able to move a fridge or anything sizable once it's installed. It's kind of a solution looking for a problem as it removes just about all the practicality from the pickup bed. I have 3 pick up trucks.
2 are daily drivers, one is a toy. Never had an issue,
A van would be 10 times more practical than a truck with a bed lid.
Edited by alabbasi on Tuesday 13th February 21:23
Weighs less than 50lb and held on with 2 clips.
You can take it off yourself.
soad said:
I fancy one of these, Ford SVT Lightning.
5.4 supercharged V8, what's not to like?
I used to have the original lightning up until this time last year. It has the 351c OHV engine. That was a really nice truck but as I use my trucks mostly for hauling dead cars, It made more sense to buy super duty. My 7.3 diesel can do 20(US) MPG if you're gentle and you don't feel a trailer behind it when you're pulling one.5.4 supercharged V8, what's not to like?
TwigtheWonderkid said:
They've become popular as an alternative to company cars. For reasons best known to our moronic government, they are very tax efficient as a company car.
Basically, you can have any pick up you want for a tax hit of £53.50 a month as as basic rate tax payer. If you chose a car and wanted to pay tax of a similar amount, you'd need to be looking at a small city car.
So you can have a 3 litre £40K double cab pick up truck and pay less tax than you would for a Ford Fiesta.
This ^Basically, you can have any pick up you want for a tax hit of £53.50 a month as as basic rate tax payer. If you chose a car and wanted to pay tax of a similar amount, you'd need to be looking at a small city car.
So you can have a 3 litre £40K double cab pick up truck and pay less tax than you would for a Ford Fiesta.
Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Tuesday 13th February 16:44
Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Tuesday 13th February 16:46
But... changes are on the way so the party will be over soon, way overdue.
Just to answer a couple of the points made earlier in the thread. In picture 1:-
1) See the cover is down, and the tailgate locked. No-one is nicking anything out the back at traffic lights. To be fair, if they wanted to get in, it would not be too difficult, and certainly easier than getting in a transit. Fortunately I live in a country with little to zero theft.
In picture 2:-
1) You can see the cover is up. It takes 30 seconds to lift, and secure. So again no need for adding/removing cover, needing to store. I have removed a couple of times when carrying large items, and that takes about 10 mins, and surprisingly heavy.
2) See the bit that is wrapped around the back wheel. That lifts 180 degrees, and does up in reverse. Thats where my shopping goes, or golf clubs, it doesn't spill out. Or else I lift the back seats and put there.
Picture 3 gives perspective of a Ranger to a F150
A couple of other points from the thread. I also really wanted a F150 HD edition, and went to look at one. It was parked next to a Raptor. I immediately wanted the Raptor.
The point re the speed limits in UK related to over 2T, I never thought about that before. HD_Adam - is this something you observe, or been caught out on before? I have been hoping to bring mine back to UK, and I had never considered this before! We have a tunnel here that 2T Trucks are banned from, with police sitting outside, and I use it all the time, and again never considered I was doing anything wrong, and see lots of Trucks using it!
1) See the cover is down, and the tailgate locked. No-one is nicking anything out the back at traffic lights. To be fair, if they wanted to get in, it would not be too difficult, and certainly easier than getting in a transit. Fortunately I live in a country with little to zero theft.
In picture 2:-
1) You can see the cover is up. It takes 30 seconds to lift, and secure. So again no need for adding/removing cover, needing to store. I have removed a couple of times when carrying large items, and that takes about 10 mins, and surprisingly heavy.
2) See the bit that is wrapped around the back wheel. That lifts 180 degrees, and does up in reverse. Thats where my shopping goes, or golf clubs, it doesn't spill out. Or else I lift the back seats and put there.
Picture 3 gives perspective of a Ranger to a F150
A couple of other points from the thread. I also really wanted a F150 HD edition, and went to look at one. It was parked next to a Raptor. I immediately wanted the Raptor.
The point re the speed limits in UK related to over 2T, I never thought about that before. HD_Adam - is this something you observe, or been caught out on before? I have been hoping to bring mine back to UK, and I had never considered this before! We have a tunnel here that 2T Trucks are banned from, with police sitting outside, and I use it all the time, and again never considered I was doing anything wrong, and see lots of Trucks using it!
Fats25 said:
The point re the speed limits in UK related to over 2T, I never thought about that before. HD_Adam - is this something you observe, or been caught out on before? I have been hoping to bring mine back to UK, and I had never considered this before! We have a tunnel here that 2T Trucks are banned from, with police sitting outside, and I use it all the time, and again never considered I was doing anything wrong, and see lots of Trucks using it!
I've never had an issue.It's registered/taxed as Private/Light Goods and the GVWR is 6500lbs.
As far as I am aware, the national speed limits apply i.e. you can do 60 in an NSL and 70 on dual carriageways
Rule 124 of the Highway Code
http://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/changes-and-answers...
captain_cynic said:
Willy Nilly said:
So, you put your shopping in the "boot", apply the brakes and it all slides to the front of the bed. How do you then retrieve it?
From the side. Most pickups aren't that tall.My brother has the current Navara in s
t brown. Seems much better with the coil springs on the rear. It's still big and imposing. Parking is really being creative and finding spaces that overhang grass/paved areas. It has 360 around view cameras. The only real problem he encounters is in old 1960's concrete car parks where the turning circle causes issues. He has a hardtop on it and stores daily stuff in an old Mercedes A-Class boot liner.
t brown. Seems much better with the coil springs on the rear. It's still big and imposing. Parking is really being creative and finding spaces that overhang grass/paved areas. It has 360 around view cameras. The only real problem he encounters is in old 1960's concrete car parks where the turning circle causes issues. He has a hardtop on it and stores daily stuff in an old Mercedes A-Class boot liner. Ha this is the perfect thread for me at the moment. I've had an L200 in the past and driven a fair few Jap trucks and TBH they are fine. I used my L200 as a daily and got on ok but it just never made me smile. That to me is the problem they are good trucks, reliable, well built and some are pretty luxurious these days but when you compare them to the US trucks they are just so bland. After holidaying in the US last year I could no longer contain my desire for a US truck! I had to sell my Audi S4 daily and buy a Fiesta to convince the Mrs of my commitment to truckery and I have just bought this little beauty, only problem is it’s in Florida! Just a couple of jobs left to do on it before its shipped so should be on the UK roads for late spring and I'm planning to use it as my daily. I can't bloody wait!!!
alabbasi said:
More power to you. One of my super duty pickups has a fiberglass bed lid like that. It's alright, but you're not going to be able to move a fridge or anything sizable once it's installed. It's kind of a solution looking for a problem as it removes just about all the practicality from the pickup bed.
A van would be 10 times more practical than a truck with a bed lid.
I have a similar issue with my 92 Flareside. It was originally fitted with a hard fiberglass bed cap that hinged from the front and severely limited the load capacity - in addition to weighing around 300lbs. I've removed it, but am having difficulty sourcing a roll-up bed cover, because my pick-up box has flush inside walls, meaning that the clamp system for most bed covers won't work. One manufacturer suggests using 3m automotive tape to secure the side rail system, which sounds like nonsense to me. Anyone have a suggestion for this issue?A van would be 10 times more practical than a truck with a bed lid.
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[url]In the USA the pickup is an ideal mode of transport especially as the roads are wider and straighter and the fuel costs so much lower.
I looked at running two through my business but decided against it for a number of reasons after road testing a Ranger, Navarro, Isuzu, Mitsubishi and Amarok. The Ranger was my favourite.
1. Fuel Costs (we average 16,000 pa per vehicle)
2. Size of vehicle not ideal for twin centres and always difficult to find a big enough car space.
3. Handling
4. Maintenance costs
5. Advice from Accountant.
Instead I bought a Transit and two Nemo/Bippers. Doing this saved approximately 35%-40% on fuel costs. Made town driving and parking much easier. Easier to drive and really low maintenance costs.
If you are not doing many miles they may make sense as a work/home vehicle but a difference of almost 30mpg between the vans and pickup was too high a price to pay.
I looked at running two through my business but decided against it for a number of reasons after road testing a Ranger, Navarro, Isuzu, Mitsubishi and Amarok. The Ranger was my favourite.
1. Fuel Costs (we average 16,000 pa per vehicle)
2. Size of vehicle not ideal for twin centres and always difficult to find a big enough car space.
3. Handling
4. Maintenance costs
5. Advice from Accountant.
Instead I bought a Transit and two Nemo/Bippers. Doing this saved approximately 35%-40% on fuel costs. Made town driving and parking much easier. Easier to drive and really low maintenance costs.
If you are not doing many miles they may make sense as a work/home vehicle but a difference of almost 30mpg between the vans and pickup was too high a price to pay.
HD Adam said:
I've never had an issue.
It's registered/taxed as Private/Light Goods and the GVWR is 6500lbs.
As far as I am aware, the national speed limits apply i.e. you can do 60 in an NSL and 70 on dual carriageways
Rule 124 of the Highway Code
http://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/changes-and-answers...
Not necessarily, some double cab pickups are counted as dual purpose vehicles and are subject to car speed limits, but go over 2040kg unladen weight and it's van limits i.e. 10mph lower on NSL single/dual carriageways.It's registered/taxed as Private/Light Goods and the GVWR is 6500lbs.
As far as I am aware, the national speed limits apply i.e. you can do 60 in an NSL and 70 on dual carriageways
Rule 124 of the Highway Code
http://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/changes-and-answers...
https://www.parkers.co.uk/vans/news-and-advice/201...
Mammasaid said:
HD Adam said:
I've never had an issue.
It's registered/taxed as Private/Light Goods and the GVWR is 6500lbs.
As far as I am aware, the national speed limits apply i.e. you can do 60 in an NSL and 70 on dual carriageways
Rule 124 of the Highway Code
http://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/changes-and-answers...
Not necessarily, some double cab pickups are counted as dual purpose vehicles and are subject to car speed limits, but go over 2040kg unladen weight and it's van limits i.e. 10mph lower on NSL single/dual carriageways.It's registered/taxed as Private/Light Goods and the GVWR is 6500lbs.
As far as I am aware, the national speed limits apply i.e. you can do 60 in an NSL and 70 on dual carriageways
Rule 124 of the Highway Code
http://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/changes-and-answers...
https://www.parkers.co.uk/vans/news-and-advice/201...
It's all a pretty grey area though.
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