RE: Ford Focus RS Heritage Edition launched

[1974foggy]

TwinExit said:

1974foggy said:

Couldnt agree more, after the bold, lovely sounding mk2 i was so disappointed with this RS in general. Front bumper apart, its so bland and the ST had the better exhaust setup in my opinion - then to learn about the engine problems - I cant see them being as sought after as previous RS models.

The engine problems that can be fixed FOC under warranty...

Which is more than you can say for the subframe/SMG/VANOS issues the bland gutless E46 M3 suffered, and the owners passed on to the next sucker who bought into the hype.


Haha. E46 M3 bland and gutless? Seriously, are you looking at the same car? Hype- uh ok, you are right and the entire motoring press is incorrect - clown!
In a way Im flattered you went to the trouble of finding out I owned an e46 m3 though. Ive never had a stalker before.

[Dal3D]

1974foggy said:

The engine problems that can be fixed FOC under warranty...

Which is more than you can say for the subframe/SMG/VANOS issues the bland gutless E46 M3 suffered, and the owners passed on to the next sucker who bought into the hype.

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Haha. E46 M3 bland and gutless? Seriously, are you looking at the same car? Hype- uh ok, you are right and the entire motoring press is incorrect - clown!
In a way Im flattered you went to the trouble of finding out I owned an e46 m3 though. Ive never had a stalker before.

I had an E46 M3 before my Mk3 Focus RS and I found the M3 boring by comparison. Each to their own.

[TwinExit]

1974foggy said:

Haha. E46 M3 bland and gutless? Seriously, are you looking at the same car? Hype- uh ok, you are right and the entire motoring press is incorrect - clown!
In a way Im flattered you went to the trouble of finding out I owned an e46 m3 though. Ive never had a stalker before.

The M3 was utterly hyped as a sports car or even as a GT car, that's why you could pick them up for as little as 6k a few years back. People got bored of them and went for alternative turbocharged or larger displacement cars - they actually looked sporty and made TORQUE to match their power figures

This is why you don't understand the Focus RS, you're profoundly influenced by the motoring press rather than going out there and trying cars for yourself. The RS is a modern Fast Ford, and like all Fast Fords do, they're fun, they make people talk, get hot under the collar and divide opinion.

[JordanM200]

0-250kmph in 42 seconds, slow as fk.

[1974foggy]

TwinExit said:

The M3 was utterly hyped as a sports car or even as a GT car, that's why you could pick them up for as little as 6k a few years back. People got bored of them and went for alternative turbocharged or larger displacement cars - they actually looked sporty and made TORQUE to match their power figures

This is why you don't understand the Focus RS, you're profoundly influenced by the motoring press rather than going out there and trying cars for yourself. The RS is a modern Fast Ford, and like all Fast Fords do, they're fun, they make people talk, get hot under the collar and divide opinion.

Oh so I couldnt possibly think for myself, have you heard yourself!

I work in the motor trade and have driven many cars (Mainly Lotus and performance brands) i can think for myself, thanks. I am more comfortable in German cars generally, not because of badge snobbery, but because i have always liked the drive of BMWs (Even the base models).
The timeless appeal, the ergonomics, the quality of materials, the styling (Purposeful without being garish), the noise, the general feel and safety, the all round usability and ability to soak up the miles without fuss.

I have used other cars, but the novelty tends to wear off after a few weeks - but the better all round cars just keep growing on you.
It's my opinion, formed over the years, i'm not going to resort to thinly veiled insults and abrasive comments as you have - if you dont agree with the majority of can fanatics that's fine!

[TwinExit]

1974foggy said:

Oh so I couldnt possibly think for myself, have you heard yourself!

I work in the motor trade and have driven many cars (Mainly Lotus and performance brands) i can think for myself, thanks. I am more comfortable in German cars generally, not because of badge snobbery, but because i have always liked the drive of BMWs (Even the base models).
The timeless appeal, the ergonomics, the quality of materials, the styling (Purposeful without being garish), the noise, the general feel and safety, the all round usability and ability to soak up the miles without fuss.

I have used other cars, but the novelty tends to wear off after a few weeks - but the better all round cars just keep growing on you.
It's my opinion, formed over the years, i'm not going to resort to thinly veiled insults and abrasive comments as you have - if you dont agree with the majority of can fanatics that's fine!

What it boils down to is this:

1. 1 You driven 'many' cars but its clear you have not driven the MK3 Focus RS.

1. 2 You concluded the RS as being bland/not very special, yet somehow a 15-20 year old 3 series BMW that you can pick for £1k-£8k is the opposite?

This isn't about agreeing or disagreeing subjectivity, this is about countering the toxic/negative opinions based on zero evidence and zero experience that you and quite many PH'ers have plagued the internet with.

[Rawwr]

1974foggy said:

Oh so I couldnt possibly think for myself, have you heard yourself!

I work in the motor trade and have driven many cars (Mainly Lotus and performance brands) i can think for myself, thanks. I am more comfortable in German cars generally, not because of badge snobbery, but because i have always liked the drive of BMWs (Even the base models).
The timeless appeal, the ergonomics, the quality of materials, the styling (Purposeful without being garish), the noise, the general feel and safety, the all round usability and ability to soak up the miles without fuss.

I have used other cars, but the novelty tends to wear off after a few weeks - but the better all round cars just keep growing on you.
It's my opinion, formed over the years, i'm not going to resort to thinly veiled insults and abrasive comments as you have - if you dont agree with the majority of can fanatics that's fine!

If you haven't driven one, your opinion on it - other than the way it looks, which is entirely subjective - is totally moot.

Edited by Rawwr on Thursday 22 February 13:52

[1974foggy]

TwinExit said:

1974foggy said:

Oh so I couldnt possibly think for myself, have you heard yourself!

I work in the motor trade and have driven many cars (Mainly Lotus and performance brands) i can think for myself, thanks. I am more comfortable in German cars generally, not because of badge snobbery, but because i have always liked the drive of BMWs (Even the base models).
The timeless appeal, the ergonomics, the quality of materials, the styling (Purposeful without being garish), the noise, the general feel and safety, the all round usability and ability to soak up the miles without fuss.

I have used other cars, but the novelty tends to wear off after a few weeks - but the better all round cars just keep growing on you.
It's my opinion, formed over the years, i'm not going to resort to thinly veiled insults and abrasive comments as you have - if you dont agree with the majority of can fanatics that's fine!

What it boils down to is this:

1. 1 You driven 'many' cars but its clear you have not driven the MK3 Focus RS.

1. 2 You concluded the RS as being bland/not very special, yet somehow a 15-20 year old 3 series BMW that you can pick for £1k-£8k is the opposite?

This isn't about agreeing or disagreeing subjectivity, this is about countering the toxic/negative opinions based on zero evidence and zero experience that you and quite many PH'ers have plagued the internet with.

1. I have contact with a well known tuner and the mk 3ST and they are keeping him busy with engine issues. Mainly, ones that are lightly modified having
lost their warranties.
To me, it still looks like an st line diesel and has to be the lamest RS for ages, they've had to paint it bright orange for attention for gods sake!
Even sounds dull.
Im not anti Ford I liked the ST/RS mk1 and 2 (Which I am lucky enough to have driven over the years) so ,yes, I haven't driven the mk 3 but I have no
desire to whatsoever ! Just how I feel, probably unfair, i know they have had good reviews on the way they actually drive.

2. Yes, an old M3 is more special to me - 100% (but one that costs more than you say can be "Picked up for") .
Price is irrelevant really, but I assume another personal insult aimed at myself.

3. You seem to enjoy arguing and being abrasive with people on forums, which I've stupidly fell for. And no doubt I've offended other people by A. going
off topic, and B. slating a car that people are fond of, way more than I intended) so i'm going to leave you to it.
Enjoy your RS if you have one & as you kind of say each to their own.

[aaron_2000]

I love seeing adults arguing over an orange car that nobody here is going to see, never mind own/drive. While you're sat there writing petty paragraphs to each other, do you seriously not just think "I'm 47/8 and arguing like a middle aged woman on Facebook about absolutely nothing, what am I doing?" Does a car that nobody will be able to see really matter this much to you both? If it does then you have some real st to ask yourselves.

[TwinExit]

1974foggy said:

TwinExit said:

What it boils down to is this:

1. 1 You driven 'many' cars but its clear you have not driven the MK3 Focus RS.

1. 2 You concluded the RS as being bland/not very special, yet somehow a 15-20 year old 3 series BMW that you can pick for £1k-£8k is the opposite?

This isn't about agreeing or disagreeing subjectivity, this is about countering the toxic/negative opinions based on zero evidence and zero experience that you and quite many PH'ers have plagued the internet with.

1. I have contact with a well known tuner and the mk 3ST and they are keeping him busy with engine issues. Mainly, ones that are lightly modified having
lost their warranties.
To me, it still looks like an st line diesel and has to be the lamest RS for ages, they've had to paint it bright orange for attention for gods sake!
Even sounds dull.
Im not anti Ford I liked the ST/RS mk1 and 2 (Which I am lucky enough to have driven over the years) so ,yes, I haven't driven the mk 3 but I have no
desire to whatsoever ! Just how I feel, probably unfair, i know they have had good reviews on the way they actually drive.

2. Yes, an old M3 is more special to me - 100% (but one that costs more than you say can be "Picked up for") .
Price is irrelevant really, but I assume another personal insult aimed at myself.

3. You seem to enjoy arguing and being abrasive with people on forums, which I've stupidly fell for. And no doubt I've offended other people by A. going
off topic, and B. slating a car that people are fond of, way more than I intended) so i'm going to leave you to it.
Enjoy your RS if you have one & as you kind of say each to their own.

Oh dear ....the ST is not the same car as the RS at all - your argument has died right there.

[TwinExit]

aaron_2000 said:

I love seeing adults arguing over an orange car that nobody here is going to see, never mind own/drive. While you're sat there writing petty paragraphs to each other, do you seriously not just think "I'm 47/8 and arguing like a middle aged woman on Facebook about absolutely nothing, what am I doing?" Does a car that nobody will be able to see really matter this much to you both? If it does then you have some real st to ask yourselves. *

I hate remind you but this is a discussion forum, you know, where you 'discuss' a subject using facts and experience to support your opinion on the matter?


Have you driven the MK3 Focus RS and if so how does it compare to your MK1 ST170?

[aaron_2000]

TwinExit said:

aaron_2000 said:

I love seeing adults arguing over an orange car that nobody here is going to see, never mind own/drive. While you're sat there writing petty paragraphs to each other, do you seriously not just think "I'm 47/8 and arguing like a middle aged woman on Facebook about absolutely nothing, what am I doing?" Does a car that nobody will be able to see really matter this much to you both? If it does then you have some real st to ask yourselves. *

I hate remind you but this is a discussion forum, you know, where you 'discuss' a subject using facts and experience to support your opinion on the matter?


Have you driven the MK3 Focus RS and if so how does it compare to your MK1 ST170?

Yeah of course an 18 year old has driven a MK3 Focus RS, although I'd compare it to the numerous hypercars I have so much experience driving. If you seriously think

1974foggy said:

Oh so I couldnt possibly think for myself, have you heard yourself!

Is discussion as opposed to middle aged men saying st they'd never dare say in person, then you're simply deluded. Just bare in mind, I never said whether I liked the Focus RS or not

[TwinExit]

aaron_2000 said:

TwinExit said:

aaron_2000 said:

I love seeing adults arguing over an orange car that nobody here is going to see, never mind own/drive. While you're sat there writing petty paragraphs to each other, do you seriously not just think "I'm 47/8 and arguing like a middle aged woman on Facebook about absolutely nothing, what am I doing?" Does a car that nobody will be able to see really matter this much to you both? If it does then you have some real st to ask yourselves. *

I hate remind you but this is a discussion forum, you know, where you 'discuss' a subject using facts and experience to support your opinion on the matter?


Have you driven the MK3 Focus RS and if so how does it compare to your MK1 ST170?

Yeah of course an 18 year old .....

Your argument ends there ....

[TwinExit]

Nanook said:

TwinExit said:

I hate remind you but this is a discussion forum, you know, where you 'discuss' a subject using facts and experience to support your opinion on the matter?


Have you driven the MK3 Focus RS and if so how does it compare to your MK1 ST170?

Yeah but you two aren't using facts and experience. You're using bitterness and pettiness.

And who asked your opinion? Any 'bitterness and pettiness' you see is nothing more than your own perception, where statements formed out of actual facts and recollection of real world experience is there for all to read.

So please spare me the PH devil advocate rhetoric.

Nanook said:

I personally prefer the E46 M3 to the Focus RS, but then I prefer RWD over anything else, and I've only done a handful of miles, 10 or so, in the Focus, but it's not really my cup of tea.

It doesn't matter if some nobody anonymous PH'er from Scotland prefers driving RWD M3's - the understanding of whether a car is SPECIAL or not is usually reflected at how the car changes hands when MONEY is involved, unfortunately the E46 model changes hands for the price of a 10 year old VW Golf, with ownership life span of 2-3 months...

Usually they are riddled with an array of age related or costly problems (and many who find they are boring or vastly over-hyped) is passed on to the next dreamer to go through all the motions before it is sold on again.

Edited by TwinExit on Tuesday 27th February 16:56

[aaron_2000]

TwinExit said:

aaron_2000 said:

TwinExit said:

aaron_2000 said:

I love seeing adults arguing over an orange car that nobody here is going to see, never mind own/drive. While you're sat there writing petty paragraphs to each other, do you seriously not just think "I'm 47/8 and arguing like a middle aged woman on Facebook about absolutely nothing, what am I doing?" Does a car that nobody will be able to see really matter this much to you both? If it does then you have some real st to ask yourselves. *

I hate remind you but this is a discussion forum, you know, where you 'discuss' a subject using facts and experience to support your opinion on the matter?


Have you driven the MK3 Focus RS and if so how does it compare to your MK1 ST170?

Yeah of course an 18 year old .....

Your argument ends there ....

You ever driven a McLaren P1? You ever met Princess Diana? Ever visited Kabul? No? I believe it's possible to hold an opinion on something without having experienced it, infact my opinion of the Focus RS is extremely high, it's condescending s like yourself that I see as worthless, not the Focus RS. What cars had you driven at 18 please?

[aaron_2000]

Nanook said:

TwinExit said:

Nanook said:

TwinExit said:

I hate remind you but this is a discussion forum, you know, where you 'discuss' a subject using facts and experience to support your opinion on the matter?


Have you driven the MK3 Focus RS and if so how does it compare to your MK1 ST170?

Yeah but you two aren't using facts and experience. You're using bitterness and pettiness.

And who asked your opinion? Any 'bitterness and pettiness' you see is nothing more than your own perception, where statements formed out of actual facts and recollection of real world experience is there for all to read.

So please spare me the PH devil advocate rhetoric.

Nanook said:

I personally prefer the E46 M3 to the Focus RS, but then I prefer RWD over anything else, and I've only done a handful of miles, 10 or so, in the Focus, but it's not really my cup of tea.

It doesn't matter if some nobody anonymous PH'er from Scotland prefers driving RWD M3's - the understanding of whether a car is SPECIAL or not is usually reflected at how the car changes hands when MONEY is involved, unfortunately the E46 model changes hands for the price of a 10 year old VW Golf, with ownership life span of 2-3 months...

Usually they are riddled with an array of age related or costly problems (and many who find they are boring or vastly over-hyped) is passed on to the next dreamer to go through all the motions before it is sold on again.

Edited by TwinExit on Tuesday 27th February 16:56

Remember, you hate to remind us, it's a discussion forum. I don't need to be personally invited to give my opinion

I'm flattered you clicked on my profile, no doubt to see if I had a BMW you could slag. The understanding of whether a car is 'special' is not something that can be categorised only by cost, that's basically the dumbest metric you can boil it down to. Everything expensive is special, everything cheap is not?

TBH, your entire post there has done a cracking job of illustrating the simple point I'd made. You seem to think your opinion is more correct or more valid than anyone else's. To you, it may be, to everyone else? No-one cares.

As I said, he's a condescending tt. He's enough of a fan boy that he'll argue with people that are even agreeing with him. I'd argue that he's a troll, but there's zero humour or wit to him so that couldn't be the case.

[Rat_Fink_67]

It seems the heritage edition won't be the model's swansong either after all. It's caused a bit of a fuss on the owner's club...

http://www.focusrsoc.com/forums/topic/350817-focus...

[IanJ9375]

Rat_Fink_67 said:

It seems the heritage edition won't be the model's swansong either after all. It's caused a bit of a fuss on the owner's club...

http://www.focusrsoc.com/forums/topic/350817-focus...

No, it is the swansong, read it slowly the clue is the bit "Just before"

[Rat_Fink_67]

IanJ9375 said:

No, it is the swansong, read it slowly the clue is the bit "Just before"

But the heritage ones are already sold, and these two evolution versions will be available afterwards...you condescending prick.

[MartinVert]

Not surprised this thread has degenerated in to a bunch of blokes arguing.

I've noticed on here that anyone who posts about issues with the RS (I own one, I know about them first hand from painful experience) immediately gets branded a troll and people asking that they get banned.

Grown men acting like kids at uni demanding their 'safe spaces' and 'right not to have to confront reality'. Yes let's make this a safe space shall we where a car that has had a worldwide recall (then the recall recalled lol due to 'lack of parts') apparently has no issues and Ford are great for concentrating on ever more outrageous antics like this premium model rather than sorting out the saps like me who already bought one.

You're right, Ford are great and if your RS hasn't gone wrong yet that means all RS's are fine and anyone who says otherwise should be banned, you're absolutely right.