WTF, seriouisly, how are they still in business?
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civiclegend said:
I'm 6 ft tall. I adopted my usual seat-as-low-as-poss and wheel at heel-n-toeable height.
A waste of time, plainly.
Edited to add - look at 6pi's promo-pic post above! Its absolutely hopeless. The VW has an unobstructed view of its dials, whatever height you set anything to.
That particular Peugeot cabin is actually quite funky apart from the above mentioned dials and the stupid flat top and bottom steering wheel. I prefer the VW in just about every way though.A waste of time, plainly.
Edited to add - look at 6pi's promo-pic post above! Its absolutely hopeless. The VW has an unobstructed view of its dials, whatever height you set anything to.
civiclegend said:
I'm 6 ft tall. I adopted my usual seat-as-low-as-poss and wheel at heel-n-toeable height.
A waste of time, plainly.
Edited to add - look at 6pi's promo-pic post above! Its absolutely hopeless. The VW has an unobstructed view of its dials, whatever height you set anything to.
As I said in my post I have a 308 as my daily. I have a full unobstructed view of the dials.A waste of time, plainly.
Edited to add - look at 6pi's promo-pic post above! Its absolutely hopeless. The VW has an unobstructed view of its dials, whatever height you set anything to.
kuro said:
I can't see what the issue is. Maybe if you are about 2ft tall or your face is attached to your chest then yes. I'm 5ft 10 and have no problem seeing the dials in a 308. Maybe the seating in the other models is different.
The seating position is the shame. The people who complain about the dials clearly do not have the cognitive capacity to adjust both the steering wheel and the seat, or are just ignorant w
kers. As for putting the wheel in a "heel and toe-able position" - do people actually believe the ste they come out with? What utter bilge. And no, I don't own a Peugeot, but I did have a 208 GTi which was a great car and the steering wheel / seating position / dial position works perfectly. 
Handed it back today after 270 miles.
I'm quite impressed Peugeot have made a car that size 1,045 kg, must be modern materials and manufacturing techniques. So well done there.
Handling was OK on the rural routes too, not much body roll and the front end goes in nicely, so while not exactly exciting or engaging certainly competent handling despite the poor feel.
I eventually managed to sort out the radio TA/TP menu and tone controls by accident (no manual provided so I couldn't rtfm) and once set up its pretty much a case of leave it alone, so that ended up OK too.
Driving position and cabin ergonomics, my main gripe in the OP, unforgivably bad. We've been building cars for over 100 years, yes its a white goods car for those that aren't bothered but how hard would it have been to make it even half decent?
Managed 42 mpg, a long way off the claimed 57 mpg for the 1.2 VTi and that was doing 80% motorway driving. For reference my 2004 Saab would have returned around 36 mpg over the same journey, 210 bhp 2.0T. Both figures brim to brim calculated, not off the dash.
For the man that asked, TVR is off the road because the wishbones are rusty and needed sorting out, along with some surface rust on the chassis while its in bits. A fairly short project but not when you're fitting it around full time time work and family, and not unreasonable either for a 20 year old car. FWIW, total reliability so far.
I'm quite impressed Peugeot have made a car that size 1,045 kg, must be modern materials and manufacturing techniques. So well done there.
Handling was OK on the rural routes too, not much body roll and the front end goes in nicely, so while not exactly exciting or engaging certainly competent handling despite the poor feel.
I eventually managed to sort out the radio TA/TP menu and tone controls by accident (no manual provided so I couldn't rtfm) and once set up its pretty much a case of leave it alone, so that ended up OK too.
Driving position and cabin ergonomics, my main gripe in the OP, unforgivably bad. We've been building cars for over 100 years, yes its a white goods car for those that aren't bothered but how hard would it have been to make it even half decent?
Managed 42 mpg, a long way off the claimed 57 mpg for the 1.2 VTi and that was doing 80% motorway driving. For reference my 2004 Saab would have returned around 36 mpg over the same journey, 210 bhp 2.0T. Both figures brim to brim calculated, not off the dash.
For the man that asked, TVR is off the road because the wishbones are rusty and needed sorting out, along with some surface rust on the chassis while its in bits. A fairly short project but not when you're fitting it around full time time work and family, and not unreasonable either for a 20 year old car. FWIW, total reliability so far.
Simonium said:
As for putting the wheel in a "heel and toe-able position" - do people actually believe the ste they come out with? What utter bilge.
Yes. The same procedure in every car. Seat as low as it goes, wheel as close as it'll come, and high enough that you can move around a little underneath it. I'm sorry if that seems unbelieveable. te they come out with? What utter bilge. My only look at a Peugeot was in 1988 when I was buying a lovely new hot hatch, 205 GTi 1.9 fking horrible cheap nasty thrown together pile of pish I couldn't believe how poor the quality was and this was coming from Ford's of the time.
The Golf GTi I eventually bought was built like a tank compared to the 205.
Peugeot is a car make I will never own.
king horrible cheap nasty thrown together pile of pish I couldn't believe how poor the quality was and this was coming from Ford's of the time.The Golf GTi I eventually bought was built like a tank compared to the 205.
Peugeot is a car make I will never own.
civiclegend said:
Yes. The same procedure in every car. Seat as low as it goes, wheel as close as it'll come, and high enough that you can move around a little underneath it. I'm sorry if that seems unbelieveable.
Ok, so you do it and you believe it's necessary. That's nice. Standard PH nonsense about advanced driving / smart arse techniques / driving god techniques applied to the mundane everyday commute. I don't know how big your thighs must be to have the steering wheel so high up it blocks the dials, but I'm getting images of Giant Haystacks springing to mind, regrettably. Although the reason your thighs jam against the wheel on French hatchbacks is because the pedals are not far enough back down the footwell. Hence by the time you move the seat far enough back to get your legs in your arms are not long enough to reach the gearstick. Ergo you end up in an uncomfortable compromise that sees your thighs and knees up around the wheel.
Woman sized men or those evolved from gibbons would not appreciate this.
Woman sized men or those evolved from gibbons would not appreciate this.
There is some utter tosh spouted on this thread.
Surely, it's not hard to understand that people have very different expectations and requirements of their vehicles?
Manufacturers spend an awful lot of time, and money understanding what the majority of market wants, and, reading some of the comments in this thread perhaps surprisingly to some, manufacture cars that they think they can sell.
And they do. That may be to Mrs Miggins who just wants a car that will trundle around, from a dealer round the corner, and looks decent with a big boot. She doesn't care a jot that she can't heel and toe or that `Evo magazine says that Fords version handles better. It simply doesn't matter.
That is why they are still in business.
Surely, it's not hard to understand that people have very different expectations and requirements of their vehicles?
Manufacturers spend an awful lot of time, and money understanding what the majority of market wants, and, reading some of the comments in this thread perhaps surprisingly to some, manufacture cars that they think they can sell.
And they do. That may be to Mrs Miggins who just wants a car that will trundle around, from a dealer round the corner, and looks decent with a big boot. She doesn't care a jot that she can't heel and toe or that `Evo magazine says that Fords version handles better. It simply doesn't matter.
That is why they are still in business.
Excluding subsidies, grants, bailouts, tax incentives, scrappage schemes etc.
But you are right, manufacturer’s obviously make their products for their target audience. This however doesn’t mean anyone is wrong if they say they can’t fit comfortably in a manufacturers product and French hatchbacks are absolutely notorious for not favouring the taller gent. That, and making st cars out of the most terrible materials. 
But you are right, manufacturer’s obviously make their products for their target audience. This however doesn’t mean anyone is wrong if they say they can’t fit comfortably in a manufacturers product and French hatchbacks are absolutely notorious for not favouring the taller gent. That, and making s
t cars out of the most terrible materials. Edited by DonkeyApple on Thursday 22 February 18:22
I was recently abroad working for a client - my driver varied day to day, it was either an E-Class (couple of years old) or a brand new 508.
Good grief what an utter piece of st the Peugeot is. It had done 30,000km and rattled away so much from various places I had a headache after every journey. It looked nice enough inside and out but wasn't comfortable in the back, either.
The E-Class had done 180,000km and was as good as new, completely quiet and comfortable.
I understand that they're in different price brackets, but the Peugeot isn't exactly cheap and I'd certainly rather have an older Merc for the same money.
Oh, and every crash I've ever been involved in was with a Peugeot. Hateful things!
Good grief what an utter piece of s
t the Peugeot is. It had done 30,000km and rattled away so much from various places I had a headache after every journey. It looked nice enough inside and out but wasn't comfortable in the back, either.The E-Class had done 180,000km and was as good as new, completely quiet and comfortable.
I understand that they're in different price brackets, but the Peugeot isn't exactly cheap and I'd certainly rather have an older Merc for the same money.
Oh, and every crash I've ever been involved in was with a Peugeot. Hateful things!
Simonium said:
civiclegend said:
Yes. The same procedure in every car. Seat as low as it goes, wheel as close as it'll come, and high enough that you can move around a little underneath it. I'm sorry if that seems unbelieveable.
Ok, so you do it and you believe it's necessary. That's nice. Standard PH nonsense about advanced driving / smart arse techniques / driving god techniques applied to the mundane everyday commute. I don't know how big your thighs must be to have the steering wheel so high up it blocks the dials, but I'm getting images of Giant Haystacks springing to mind, regrettably. 
DonkeyApple said:
That, and making st cars out of the most terrible materials.
Really? t cars out of the most terrible materials. Edited by DonkeyApple on Thursday 22 February 18:22
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&a...
Edited by kuro on Thursday 22 February 21:47
f1nn said:
There is some utter tosh spouted on this thread.
Surely, it's not hard to understand that people have very different expectations and requirements of their vehicles?
Manufacturers spend an awful lot of time, and money understanding what the majority of market wants, and, reading some of the comments in this thread perhaps surprisingly to some, manufacture cars that they think they can sell.
And they do. That may be to Mrs Miggins who just wants a car that will trundle around, from a dealer round the corner, and looks decent with a big boot. She doesn't care a jot that she can't heel and toe or that `Evo magazine says that Fords version handles better. It simply doesn't matter.
That is why they are still in business.
Actually, I think manufacturers are starting to build cars with 'showroom appeal' only. The ICE system OP couldn't work out probably looks very impressive when the salesman is showing Mrs Miggins in the bright, modern showroom. And rightly said, who cares if it doesn't drive very well, it's not like you get to try that when you do the demo drive.Surely, it's not hard to understand that people have very different expectations and requirements of their vehicles?
Manufacturers spend an awful lot of time, and money understanding what the majority of market wants, and, reading some of the comments in this thread perhaps surprisingly to some, manufacture cars that they think they can sell.
And they do. That may be to Mrs Miggins who just wants a car that will trundle around, from a dealer round the corner, and looks decent with a big boot. She doesn't care a jot that she can't heel and toe or that `Evo magazine says that Fords version handles better. It simply doesn't matter.
That is why they are still in business.
GR_TVR said:
I guess my point would be, say, a year old Merc would be far superior than a brand new Peugeot for the same price, so why would you buy the Peugeot?
Although, taking away the Merc, why anyone would buy a Peugeot in the first place is completely beyond me.
Bought our Pug at 3 years old for 10k, can you show me a similar sized/equipped 7 seater Merc for 10k at even 5 year old? It also needs to do 50mpg, cost £115 or less in VED, be cheap to insure and have a 3 year warranty, all of which our Pug does/has. Although, taking away the Merc, why anyone would buy a Peugeot in the first place is completely beyond me.
As this thread has ascertained, some people like certain brands, some people don't. As PSA are selling a lot of cars which appeal to the masses, they are clearly doing something right. You seem to be on some self appointed mission to prove everyone who has bought a modern Peugeot wrong.
kuro said:
DonkeyApple said:
That, and making st cars out of the most terrible materials.
Really? t cars out of the most terrible materials. Edited by DonkeyApple on Thursday 22 February 18:22
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&a...
Edited by kuro on Thursday 22 February 21:47
DonkeyApple said:
kuro said:
DonkeyApple said:
That, and making st cars out of the most terrible materials.
Really? t cars out of the most terrible materials. Edited by DonkeyApple on Thursday 22 February 18:22
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&a...
Edited by kuro on Thursday 22 February 21:47
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