WTF, seriouisly, how are they still in business?

[DonkeyApple]

kuro said:

DonkeyApple said:

kuro said:

DonkeyApple said:

That, and making st cars out of the most terrible materials.

Edited by DonkeyApple on Thursday 22 February 18:22

Really?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&a...

Edited by kuro on Thursday 22 February 21:47

Heinz make beans for own brand labels. So do Walkers and McVities. They use different recipes as chosen by the client.

So PSA Peugeot Citroën is Faurecia's controlling shareholder, holding around 57.4% stake and they allow their own products to be made from inferior materials?

Some PHers use different opinions as chosen by the poster.

The materials will be constructed out of whatever the client determines to be appropriate. You say that would inferior, whereas I use the term terrible. Go and sit inside a Pug and just like a decade ago and the decade before that the materials are terrible. Obviously because they are building to a price but that doesn’t not change what they are.

On the other hand you seem to be suggesting that because two products are produced in the same factory they therefore are made identically and using the same materials. I would hazard that this is categorically not how the world works.

[kuro]

DonkeyApple said:

kuro said:

DonkeyApple said:

kuro said:

DonkeyApple said:

That, and making st cars out of the most terrible materials.

Edited by DonkeyApple on Thursday 22 February 18:22

Really?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&a...

Edited by kuro on Thursday 22 February 21:47

Heinz make beans for own brand labels. So do Walkers and McVities. They use different recipes as chosen by the client.

So PSA Peugeot Citroën is Faurecia's controlling shareholder, holding around 57.4% stake and they allow their own products to be made from inferior materials?

Some PHers use different opinions as chosen by the poster.

The materials will be constructed out of whatever the client determines to be appropriate. You say that would inferior, whereas I use the term terrible. Go and sit inside a Pug and just like a decade ago and the decade before that the materials are terrible. Obviously because they are building to a price but that doesn’t not change what they are.

On the other hand you seem to be suggesting that because two products are produced in the same factory they therefore are made identically and using the same materials. I would hazard that this is categorically not how the world works.

The client in this case is Peugeot who also happen to own Faurecia. Yes they are not going to be as plush as say a top of the range Audi or Mercedes (also supplied by Faurecia) but to suggest Peugeot would instruct their own company to supply “terrible” materiels for the interiors of their own cars is just ludicrous.

I have a 2017 308 as my daily and it is far from the “terrible” you describe and is as well built as any other mainstream car on sale today. Oh, and I had a 205 gti many years ago and the interior build quality of a modern Pug is in a different league.

[havoc]

DonkeyApple said:

On the other hand you seem to be suggesting that because two products are produced in the same factory they therefore are made identically and using the same materials. I would hazard that this is categorically not how the world works.

And as someone who's worked for an automotive seating mfr, I can note that:-

- Different OEMs are often serviced out of different factories (usually close to the OEM factory - seats are heavy/bulky things), which may have different equipment / training / QC / etc. And certainly have a different ethos from plant to plant...possibly (I couldn't comment) mirroring the manufacturing ethos of that region and thus that of the OEM serviced...

- The materials are often substantially different, particularly those that the customer can see.

- The ergonomic design of the seats appears to take far less priority than cost and image. The exception to this is Recaro.

[DonkeyApple]

kuro said:

DonkeyApple said:

kuro said:

DonkeyApple said:

kuro said:

DonkeyApple said:

That, and making st cars out of the most terrible materials.

Edited by DonkeyApple on Thursday 22 February 18:22

Really?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&a...

Edited by kuro on Thursday 22 February 21:47

Heinz make beans for own brand labels. So do Walkers and McVities. They use different recipes as chosen by the client.

So PSA Peugeot Citroën is Faurecia's controlling shareholder, holding around 57.4% stake and they allow their own products to be made from inferior materials?

Some PHers use different opinions as chosen by the poster.

The materials will be constructed out of whatever the client determines to be appropriate. You say that would inferior, whereas I use the term terrible. Go and sit inside a Pug and just like a decade ago and the decade before that the materials are terrible. Obviously because they are building to a price but that doesn’t not change what they are.

On the other hand you seem to be suggesting that because two products are produced in the same factory they therefore are made identically and using the same materials. I would hazard that this is categorically not how the world works.

The client in this case is Peugeot who also happen to own Faurecia. Yes they are not going to be as plush as say a top of the range Audi or Mercedes (also supplied by Faurecia) but to suggest Peugeot would instruct their own company to supply “terrible” materiels for the interiors of their own cars is just ludicrous.

I have a 2017 308 as my daily and it is far from the “terrible” you describe and is as well built as any other mainstream car on sale today. Oh, and I had a 205 gti many years ago and the interior build quality of a modern Pug is in a different league.

Ludicrous is your inability to grasp the basics. I’ve clearly caused distress so why don’t we change the term ‘terrible’ to ‘cheaper and so give an all round terrible finished product’?

And we’d all somewhat expect a modern car to have improved over its thirty year old counterpart wouldn’t we? The key here is the term ‘relative’.

[kuro]

DonkeyApple said:

kuro said:

DonkeyApple said:

kuro said:

DonkeyApple said:

kuro said:

DonkeyApple said:

That, and making st cars out of the most terrible materials.

Edited by DonkeyApple on Thursday 22 February 18:22

Really?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&a...

Edited by kuro on Thursday 22 February 21:47

Heinz make beans for own brand labels. So do Walkers and McVities. They use different recipes as chosen by the client.

So PSA Peugeot Citroën is Faurecia's controlling shareholder, holding around 57.4% stake and they allow their own products to be made from inferior materials?

Some PHers use different opinions as chosen by the poster.

The materials will be constructed out of whatever the client determines to be appropriate. You say that would inferior, whereas I use the term terrible. Go and sit inside a Pug and just like a decade ago and the decade before that the materials are terrible. Obviously because they are building to a price but that doesn’t not change what they are.

On the other hand you seem to be suggesting that because two products are produced in the same factory they therefore are made identically and using the same materials. I would hazard that this is categorically not how the world works.

The client in this case is Peugeot who also happen to own Faurecia. Yes they are not going to be as plush as say a top of the range Audi or Mercedes (also supplied by Faurecia) but to suggest Peugeot would instruct their own company to supply “terrible” materiels for the interiors of their own cars is just ludicrous.

I have a 2017 308 as my daily and it is far from the “terrible” you describe and is as well built as any other mainstream car on sale today. Oh, and I had a 205 gti many years ago and the interior build quality of a modern Pug is in a different league.

Ludicrous is your inability to grasp the basics. I’ve clearly caused distress so why don’t we change the term ‘terrible’ to ‘cheaper and so give an all round terrible finished product’?

And we’d all somewhat expect a modern car to have improved over its thirty year old counterpart wouldn’t we? The key here is the term ‘relative’.

I think we should agree to disagree as this will go round in circles. You have your perceived impression of a mainstream brand and I speak from my own experience.

[cj2013]

I hired a 208 when they were new, and loved it. Think it was only a 1.2, but it had plenty of power to make it a breeze to drive.

The 308 is also quite decent.

The 206 got slated for its "driving position", but I've had a few and I think they are miles better than the Corsa/Clio that were out at the time.


Is it fashionable to criticise and whinge about things these days, though? If you can't figure out how to operate the controls, it probably says more about the user than the car in my experience.

[greenarrow]

So, the 2008 is not a good car and this means all Peugeots are rubbish? That seems to be the summary of the OP.

..is it me or is PH just a very angry place these days where only a few brands cut the mustard, i.e. BMW, Porsche and one or two others. God forbid if you drive a Vauxhall or a Peugeot and if you drive a diesel, especially a Vauxhall or Peugeot one, you're the devil incarnate!!!

[2gins]

greenarrow said:

So, the 2008 is not a good car and this means all Peugeots are rubbish? That seems to be the summary of the OP.

..is it me or is PH just a very angry place these days where only a few brands cut the mustard, i.e. BMW, Porsche and one or two others. God forbid if you drive a Vauxhall or a Peugeot and if you drive a diesel, especially a Vauxhall or Peugeot one, you're the devil incarnate!!!

You can find my overall opinion on p6.

[DoctorX]

Well here’s a Peugeot which doesn’t look bad at all (stupid dash aside); the new 508.

Looks quite tasty.

https://youtu.be/Y4RSavLYPvY

[anonymous-user]

J4CKO said:

It amazes me how so many on here wax lyrical about how terrible anything mundane and non premium is, despite it being perfectly adequate, if not exciting or enjoyable, then get all animated and wistful about something from the sixties that will be truly grim in most ways, like original Minis, yet they are cute and fun but actually terrible in many ways.

I sometimes wonder what the motivation is, am sure the Peugeot thing isnt the last word but it will do the job, even if it doesnt stir the soul or raise any emotion.

But but but what everybody should be doing is buying a second hand 335d (remapped obvs) or stellar mile barge du jour and not on finance and not new and not in white and definitely not putting it in their PH garage profile and then pouring scorn on everybody else’s choices.

That’s what they should be doing

[vikingaero]

Peugeots are fine cars when new and under warranty. Some of the engines are pretty good too. And they are still loved by the middle and working class masses for being Gallic and Francais - it's that little sparkle in their lives.

But some of the current cars are below average when compared to other Euroboxes, 308 and 3008 especially. And out of warranty you'll discover the design fk-wittery that the French insist on - want to replace the exhaust? You'll have to break and buy new brake lines because we've moulded the clips onto the line. It's stuff like this that kills French cars earlier than necessary.

My Dad is a complete non-car person. Hell a Pug would be perfect for him. I took him out one day and he mentioned the brand new crashed Peugeot up ahead outside the Peugeot dealership. Not sure what it was 3008 or 5008, but the styling of the headlamps from where we were in traffic and our angle made it look like the car was damaged!

[MrGTI6]

DoctorX said:

Well here’s a Peugeot which doesn’t look bad at all (stupid dash aside); the new 508.

Looks quite tasty.

https://youtu.be/Y4RSavLYPvY

First time I've seen that! Is it coming to the UK?

[thesmurfs]

The 106/306/406 were the last best generation Peugeots that looked good for the day especially the Pininfarina designed 306 and 406 coupe. I remember when these were as common as BMW/Audi on the roads back in the day.

When the 307/407 arrived Peugeot were effectively dead as a brand in my eyes.

[CoolHands]

2gins said:

The handbrake is a stupid shape and awkward to use, hill start assist by default and its too slow to release the brake when you actually do want to go. Gear knob is too big and only feels right if you hold it like a hammer, steering wheel is too small, its like a child's toy and has no feel at all, might as well be connected to the rack with a piece of string. And that's coming from a bloke who drove a Mk1 TT for 6 years.

No idea what engine is in it, I guess it must be the 1.6 HDi (75PS) diesel, gutless as fk, couldn't pull the skin of my mother-in-law's custard.

The interior, a sea of cheap plastics but blessedly not too much metallised plastic shiny stuff (perhaps that's because mine is poverty spec, doesn't even have single zone CC).

Is there anything good about it, well, the soundproofing is excellent. The only clue that the engine is running is the dieselly shuddering coming through the seat, that is until you move off and then all hell breaks loose in a very much 1980s DAF manner. Above 5000 rpm there is a little whine from the engine that lets you pretend its supercharged, if the total lack of performance didn't give the game away.

I can't remember the last good Peugeot, 306/406 maybe?

So who is buying this st?

Cannot wait to get the TVR back on the road

Bravo! made me laugh