WTF, seriouisly, how are they still in business?
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All your accurate observations (yes I was lumbered with a Peugeot once) are true but such vehicles are targeted at those with no interest in cars, have no driving skills & less perception of what makes a car great i.e. mainly mums. All they need is any utilitarian box on wheels to transport the endless brats they've churned out. The things are only used for the school/crèche runs, going to the shops & the gym.
They are of course sneered & looked down on by other mums in Volvo's, Audi's BMW's etc.
They are of course sneered & looked down on by other mums in Volvo's, Audi's BMW's etc.
bungz said:
I like the look of modern pugs but omg the seating position.
208 I tried was awful.
Yep, I struggle with getting comfy in a 208; it's the dials above the steering wheel set up that I can't get on with, I either have to have the wheel uncomfortably in my lap to enable me to see the dials fully or have the wheel in a natural position but it cuts right through the dials so I can't see them properly; classic case of solving a problem that didn't really exist. 208 I tried was awful.
Aren't Peugeot supposed to be the upmarket marque of PSA? If so, why are they churning out 4-cylinder dross? Call me old-fashioned (at the age of 24!) but a car marque with any desire to be upmarket should have a number of models with a smooth 6-cylinder engine; the last Peugeots to do so were the 407 and 607 - both petrol and diesel.
AppleJuice said:
Aren't Peugeot supposed to be the upmarket marque of PSA? If so, why are they churning out 4-cylinder dross? Call me old-fashioned (at the age of 24!) but a car marque with any desire to be upmarket should have a number of models with a smooth 6-cylinder engine; the last Peugeots to do so were the 407 and 607 - both petrol and diesel.
Because the vast majority of people buying cars and especially those that buy from 'all purpose' brands like Peugeot, Ford, etc couldn't give two figs about how many cylinders they have under the bonnet. It's all about tax and mpg.You must not fall into the trap that ph is a microcosm of normal life. It's not. We like big engines, big speed and razor sharp handling. Your average Joe couldn't give a monkeys - it's a tool to do the job.
Oh, and I win internet points for foretelling that we were due a Peugeot slagging thread. I mentioned in the 'Vauxhall's are s
t' thread that as we've had a Renault and Vauxhall bashing thread, Peugeot won't be far behind. Cheers Op, my faith (and predictability)in ph has been restored. 
MarJay said:
Vauxhall is absolutely the worst offender IMO. Plasticky, dull bland cars put together by people who don't give a t*ss about what they are doing. "Is it done yet? Yeah, that'll do, let's go to the pub!". You know that the only people to ever say that at BMW were the designers of the X line of SUV's, or the 2 series MPVs, or the 1 series, or the 3 & 5 series GT, or the previous 6 series, or the previous 3 series in basic spec, in fact, most of the designers...
You missed out a few other BMW cars where the designer must have gone to the pub early so I've added them. In fact, BMW must have the ugliest range of cars available. I saw a new X2 the other day not the best looking of cars but they add a BMW badge to the side now, just so you can think - yeah, its ugly but its still premium..
valiant said:
Oh, and I win internet points for foretelling that we were due a Peugeot slagging thread. I mentioned in the 'Vauxhall's are st' thread that as we've had a Renault and Vauxhall bashing thread, Peugeot won't be far behind. Cheers Op, my faith (and predictability)in ph has been restored.
Sorry chap, didn't see the Renault thread and very meh about the vx one. I'm no particular vx fan either but I've driven quite a few and they serve their purpose well.t' thread that as we've had a Renault and Vauxhall bashing thread, Peugeot won't be far behind. Cheers Op, my faith (and predictability)in ph has been restored. WJNB said:
i.e. mainly mums. All they need is any utilitarian box on wheels to transport the endless brats they've churned out. The things are only used for the school/crèche runs, going to the shops & the gym.
Well they've missed the target there then too. The boot's not big enough for a standard mum-chariot buggy + shopping unless you pile it all in a heap, and loading/unloading is badly hindered by the parcel shelf as it doesn't lift with the hatch. Edited by 2gins on Tuesday 20th February 21:30
Edited by 2gins on Tuesday 20th February 21:45
The wifes kuga is about to be replaced by a 3008, a brilliant car if you ask me, and makes the rest of the segment in its price range look st.
Agreed on the touchscreen thing though, it has its drawbacks, but then most manufacturers suffer the same, ford sync 2 for example was a pile of bks, needing a good prod to get it to realise you had just touched the screen, and i mean the sort of pressure required to stick a blob of blu tac on a wall type of prod. The last decent one i used was from a hyundai tucson, a great car but dull and cheap looking on the inside.
t.Agreed on the touchscreen thing though, it has its drawbacks, but then most manufacturers suffer the same, ford sync 2 for example was a pile of b
ks, needing a good prod to get it to realise you had just touched the screen, and i mean the sort of pressure required to stick a blob of blu tac on a wall type of prod. The last decent one i used was from a hyundai tucson, a great car but dull and cheap looking on the inside. AppleJuice said:
Aren't Peugeot supposed to be the upmarket marque of PSA? If so, why are they churning out 4-cylinder dross? Call me old-fashioned (at the age of 24!) but a car marque with any desire to be upmarket should have a number of models with a smooth 6-cylinder engine; the last Peugeots to do so were the 407 and 607 - both petrol and diesel.
Yes, and guess how many they sold. About 20 and they were all to Dealer Principles because they had to.Even BMW struggles to flog 6 cylinder cars these days - there isn't a lot of incentive for PSA to do so even though they have the engines available under the Ford/JLR JV.
dazwalsh said:
The wifes kuga is about to be replaced by a 3008, a brilliant car if you ask me, and makes the rest of the segment in its price range look st.
Agreed on the touchscreen thing though, it has its drawbacks, but then most manufacturers suffer the same, ford sync 2 for example was a pile of bks, needing a good prod to get it to realise you had just touched the screen, and i mean the sort of pressure required to stick a blob of blu tac on a wall type of prod. The last decent one i used was from a hyundai tucson, a great car but dull and cheap looking on the inside.
The interior is certainly not boring :t.Agreed on the touchscreen thing though, it has its drawbacks, but then most manufacturers suffer the same, ford sync 2 for example was a pile of b
ks, needing a good prod to get it to realise you had just touched the screen, and i mean the sort of pressure required to stick a blob of blu tac on a wall type of prod. The last decent one i used was from a hyundai tucson, a great car but dull and cheap looking on the inside. 
A Tiguan in comparison :
WJNB said:
All your accurate observations (yes I was lumbered with a Peugeot once) are true but such vehicles are targeted at those with no interest in cars, have no driving skills & less perception of what makes a car great i.e. mainly mums. All they need is any utilitarian box on wheels to transport the endless brats they've churned out. The things are only used for the school/crèche runs, going to the shops & the gym.
They are of course sneered & looked down on by other mums in Volvo's, Audi's BMW's etc.
Nice line up of dated stereotypes there. They are of course sneered & looked down on by other mums in Volvo's, Audi's BMW's etc.
2gins said:
Who am I on about, Peugeot of course.
Last week it was in the news that PSA doubled their profits last year. I can't get my head around that, I mean, who is buying this dross?
I had a 5008 for a week long business rental a few years back, one of the most hateful driving experiences I've ever had since being landed with a Nissan Note. Now this week I have the prospect of 200 miles in a 2008. I don't hire cars very often, surprised to see how little has changed.
I've driven it 15 miles home from the office and already I hate the bd.
The driving position is terrible. If I set the seat so my legs are right with the clutch fully down, the gear stick is so far away I end up leaning forward to push it into 1/3/5. Part of that problem is the throw on the shift is about 8-10", which makes gear changes a long, drawn out affair. On the other hand if I set the seat so I can reach the gear lever, I have to raise the steering wheel up to avoid it hitting my knees - so it blocks line of sight to the speedo. FWIW I'm 5'11" and have quite long arms so god knows what it would be like for a normally proportioned person.
It has a stupid touch-screen infotainment system that is impossible to navigate, so far I've managed to select a radio station and adjust the volume, that's it. I can't turn it on or off, just put the volume down to zero or make the screen go dark, so I can't see the clock. The options menus only cover useful ste like wifi (WTF), phone connections and, inexcplicably, photos (WTAF?!!!). Can't find the audio controls, e.g. to reduce the bass level (Avis delivery guy must be into his grime or the like), or to set TP/TA. I can make the screen go dark, but if I want to see the trip info e.g. to check range or even just the time, the trip button turns it on again... but not to something sensible like the home page (a feature it doesn't seem to have), so I havev to enter the menu system to find the make-it-go-away button again.
The thing's so bloody big and the driving position gives no clues about where the corners are, so positioning it where I want it is almost impossible. I guess I'll adapt to this soon enough but it doesn't have parking sensors either so parking it in 2.4x4.8 spaces this week will be fun. Massive blind spot from the A pillar that makes observing traffic on a roundabout or oncomers on a medium radius right-hander interesting.
The handbrake is a stupid shape and awkward to use, hill start assist by default and its too slow to release the brake when you actually do want to go. Gear knob is too big and only feels right if you hold it like a hammer, steering wheel is too small, its like a child's toy and has no feel at all, might as well be connected to the rack with a piece of string. And that's coming from a bloke who drove a Mk1 TT for 6 years.
No idea what engine is in it, I guess it must be the 1.6 HDi (75PS) diesel, gutless as fk, couldn't pull the skin of my mother-in-law's custard.
The interior, a sea of cheap plastics but blessedly not too much metallised plastic shiny stuff (perhaps that's because mine is poverty spec, doesn't even have single zone CC).
Is there anything good about it, well, the soundproofing is excellent. The only clue that the engine is running is the dieselly shuddering coming through the seat, that is until you move off and then all hell breaks loose in a very much 1980s DAF manner. Above 5000 rpm there is a little whine from the engine that lets you pretend its supercharged, if the total lack of performance didn't give the game away.
I can't remember the last good Peugeot, 306/406 maybe?
So who is buying this st?
Cannot wait to get the TVR back on the road...
'orrible bd!
"So who is buying this sLast week it was in the news that PSA doubled their profits last year. I can't get my head around that, I mean, who is buying this dross?
I had a 5008 for a week long business rental a few years back, one of the most hateful driving experiences I've ever had since being landed with a Nissan Note. Now this week I have the prospect of 200 miles in a 2008. I don't hire cars very often, surprised to see how little has changed.
I've driven it 15 miles home from the office and already I hate the b
d. The driving position is terrible. If I set the seat so my legs are right with the clutch fully down, the gear stick is so far away I end up leaning forward to push it into 1/3/5. Part of that problem is the throw on the shift is about 8-10", which makes gear changes a long, drawn out affair. On the other hand if I set the seat so I can reach the gear lever, I have to raise the steering wheel up to avoid it hitting my knees - so it blocks line of sight to the speedo. FWIW I'm 5'11" and have quite long arms so god knows what it would be like for a normally proportioned person.
It has a stupid touch-screen infotainment system that is impossible to navigate, so far I've managed to select a radio station and adjust the volume, that's it. I can't turn it on or off, just put the volume down to zero or make the screen go dark, so I can't see the clock. The options menus only cover useful s
te like wifi (WTF), phone connections and, inexcplicably, photos (WTAF?!!!). Can't find the audio controls, e.g. to reduce the bass level (Avis delivery guy must be into his grime or the like), or to set TP/TA. I can make the screen go dark, but if I want to see the trip info e.g. to check range or even just the time, the trip button turns it on again... but not to something sensible like the home page (a feature it doesn't seem to have), so I havev to enter the menu system to find the make-it-go-away button again.The thing's so bloody big and the driving position gives no clues about where the corners are, so positioning it where I want it is almost impossible. I guess I'll adapt to this soon enough but it doesn't have parking sensors either so parking it in 2.4x4.8 spaces this week will be fun. Massive blind spot from the A pillar that makes observing traffic on a roundabout or oncomers on a medium radius right-hander interesting.
The handbrake is a stupid shape and awkward to use, hill start assist by default and its too slow to release the brake when you actually do want to go. Gear knob is too big and only feels right if you hold it like a hammer, steering wheel is too small, its like a child's toy and has no feel at all, might as well be connected to the rack with a piece of string. And that's coming from a bloke who drove a Mk1 TT for 6 years.
No idea what engine is in it, I guess it must be the 1.6 HDi (75PS) diesel, gutless as f
k, couldn't pull the skin of my mother-in-law's custard.The interior, a sea of cheap plastics but blessedly not too much metallised plastic shiny stuff (perhaps that's because mine is poverty spec, doesn't even have single zone CC).
Is there anything good about it, well, the soundproofing is excellent. The only clue that the engine is running is the dieselly shuddering coming through the seat, that is until you move off and then all hell breaks loose in a very much 1980s DAF manner. Above 5000 rpm there is a little whine from the engine that lets you pretend its supercharged, if the total lack of performance didn't give the game away.
I can't remember the last good Peugeot, 306/406 maybe?
So who is buying this s
t?Cannot wait to get the TVR back on the road...
'orrible b
d!t?"Devils advocate says a lot of people if your first statement is correct and you're in the minority, maybe you know something all those other people don't though and they're all wrong.
At least the Peugeot works (for the moment) I suppose... Why is your TVR off the road..?
so those who own Peugeot defend them, those who dont are ambivalent, and some people think there dire.
same as any marque isn't it?
there is a stereotype re the bad driver creeping about doing daft things will be a peugeot, and i do see that, buts its more likely the numbers there are on the road. and it has no worse drivers than any other brand that is rightly or wrongly seen as just an a-b machine, rather than an enjoyable driving machine.
same as any marque isn't it?
there is a stereotype re the bad driver creeping about doing daft things will be a peugeot, and i do see that, buts its more likely the numbers there are on the road. and it has no worse drivers than any other brand that is rightly or wrongly seen as just an a-b machine, rather than an enjoyable driving machine.
2gins said:
The driving position is terrible. If I set the seat so my legs are right with the clutch fully down, the gear stick is so far away I end up leaning forward to push it into 1/3/5.
All French FWD cars are like this. It is because the French are evolved from a separate hominid line more closely linked to the Gibbon. It’s believed that the abnormally long arms make it easier to be seen surrendering when threatened. My father has a 508 estate with a panoramic roof, he drives it to Chamonix back (south wales) a couple of times a year, I went with them last year and it was a thoroughly nice vehicle to be a passenger in especially looking through the ceiling at the mountains above.
He's always liked Peugeot so I doubt he'd have anything bad to say about it's driving abilities but lets be honest it's a big French estate, it isn't targeted at people who want to heel and toe and impress the young admin ladies at work is it?
He's 60 and wants a big wafty car and that's why he likes it, the tech in it seems pretty top notch too.
Saying that, he has taken a liking to the 5 series touring I've just bought so who knows how long he remains French
He's always liked Peugeot so I doubt he'd have anything bad to say about it's driving abilities but lets be honest it's a big French estate, it isn't targeted at people who want to heel and toe and impress the young admin ladies at work is it?
He's 60 and wants a big wafty car and that's why he likes it, the tech in it seems pretty top notch too.
Saying that, he has taken a liking to the 5 series touring I've just bought so who knows how long he remains French
DoctorX said:
...and you can’t see the dials...
Absolutely this.I could scarcely believe the ergonomics when I rented one for a couple of days in the UK. So much so, I had to take a picture from my eye-line whilst seated behind the tiny steering wheel.
I'm all for tiny steering wheels where appropriate, but when its a cruddy mini-people carrier, and it totally obscures all useful information... come on Peugeot!
civiclegend said:
DoctorX said:
...and you can’t see the dials...
Absolutely this.I could scarcely believe the ergonomics when I rented one for a couple of days in the UK. So much so, I had to take a picture from my eye-line whilst seated behind the tiny steering wheel.
I'm all for tiny steering wheels where appropriate, but when its a cruddy mini-people carrier, and it totally obscures all useful information... come on Peugeot!
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