RE: Porsche confirms the death of diesel

RE: Porsche confirms the death of diesel

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DonkeyApple

54,923 posts

168 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Onehp said:
Seems the premise of this article is misleading, because Porsche yesterday also acknowledged that there will be a diesel version of the new Cayenne... 2019, perhaps already this year. If it clears the new emissions regs, why not? It's not as if the tech is too expensive in this price range... As long as the playing field is level...
It’s probably linked to the Audi unit that it uses being compliant going forward but it was the case a while back that the same unit was too large to fit in the Panamera and if that remains the case then maybe this announcement is as simple as the Diesel engine the Panamera uses is not being update by VW to be compliant but the larger Audi one is and it’s just PR spin being placed on top of the fact that they don’t have a Diesel engine for the Panamera going forward?

Onehp

1,617 posts

282 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Latest diesel Panamera is/was a V8... Would welcome a (new) V6 as that makes more sense really of you're going that route...

Escort Si-130

3,269 posts

179 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Yes it did. it was pointless. If you want a diesel then go and buy a van or pick up truck.
It was an insult that Porsche went diesel and had dilute the brand imo.

Tomy90 said:
Diesel does not deserve all the hate it has been getting.

If you live in the city or do less than 10000 Miles a year you should not have a diesel.

This was even the case before dieselgate thanks to the filters getting clogged on diesels with no long drives.

To be honest this year I’m potentially looking to get my first diesel as my commute is long enough to justify it and my commute only goes through 2 small towns.

But I fully understand why Porsche has done this as they are the most sporty brand in the SUV market currently

Escort Si-130

3,269 posts

179 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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WCZ said:
diesel porsches never made much sense anyway really other than for company cars but now that hybrid porsches exist with a great BIK, they make no sense at all
Fully agree, and I am glad we are now seeing the demise of pointless diesel cars. Around 25+ years ago diesel was cheaper than petrol, but because of many of these diesel stboxes over the years it went higher. Go in many other countries around the world where they do not have this stupid "get a deezel" rush and petrol is the mainstay, diesel is cheaper than petrol in these countries.

Escort Si-130

3,269 posts

179 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Atomic12C said:
About time !
Diseasals were for the farm yard.


Long live the petrol !

wink
Amen to that

Dale487

1,334 posts

122 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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But so are the cars they were fitted to & still making - there's no diesel 911, but that might help its touring range - and make the company very profitable. Joking aside, I think the only acceptable diesel Porsche are the tractors.

Whilst the debate has been going on, no one seems to have through up the topic of diesel convertibles - they never made any sense to me, Audi A4/A5, Mercedes E-class, VW EOS & Golf & BMWs I'm looking at you.

Escort Si-130 said:
Yes it did. it was pointless. If you want a diesel then go and buy a van or pick up truck.
It was an insult that Porsche went diesel and had dilute the brand imo.

Tomy90 said:
Diesel does not deserve all the hate it has been getting.

If you live in the city or do less than 10000 Miles a year you should not have a diesel.

This was even the case before dieselgate thanks to the filters getting clogged on diesels with no long drives.

To be honest this year I’m potentially looking to get my first diesel as my commute is long enough to justify it and my commute only goes through 2 small towns.

But I fully understand why Porsche has done this as they are the most sporty brand in the SUV market currently

KillianB4

150 posts

110 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Ireland taking the step of raising excise duty on diesel to make it more expensive than petrol.

"For economical and fiscal reasons."

So just fiscal reasons then. There isn't even an air pollution problem here.

SuperchargedVR6

3,138 posts

219 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Tomy90 said:
If you live in the city or do less than 10000 Miles a year you should not have a diesel.
That isn't for you or anyone else to dictate. Some people actually prefer diesels for reasons other than mpg.



DonkeyApple

54,923 posts

168 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Escort Si-130 said:
Fully agree, and I am glad we are now seeing the demise of pointless diesel cars. Around 25+ years ago diesel was cheaper than petrol, but because of many of these diesel stboxes over the years it went higher. Go in many other countries around the world where they do not have this stupid "get a deezel" rush and petrol is the mainstay, diesel is cheaper than petrol in these countries.
Because it’s seen as politically favourable to favour the blue collar worker and industries with slightly less tax on diesel. But if all your white collar workers are buying diesel then you need to remove that tax disparity to the detriment of those who once benefited.


DonkeyApple

54,923 posts

168 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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SuperchargedVR6 said:
Tomy90 said:
If you live in the city or do less than 10000 Miles a year you should not have a diesel.
That isn't for you or anyone else to dictate. Some people actually prefer diesels for reasons other than mpg.
And we’re back to blaming Thatcher and her ‘Care in the Community’ policy. wink

Dale487

1,334 posts

122 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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DonkeyApple said:
SuperchargedVR6 said:
Tomy90 said:
If you live in the city or do less than 10000 Miles a year you should not have a diesel.
That isn't for you or anyone else to dictate. Some people actually prefer diesels for reasons other than mpg.
And we’re back to blaming Thatcher and her ‘Care in the Community’ policy. wink
Wasn't she in favour of lean burn engines?

sr.guiri

477 posts

88 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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I live in Madrid and our air pollution levels exceed European limits, and that's because more than half of all cars in Madrid capital are diesel - Spain fell for the "clean diesel lie" more than anyone. The government have recognised this and in the next decade there will be a total ban on diesels in the capital as a whole. You'll still be able to drive your petrol car in Madrid, but not an oil-burner. Shorter term, within the next couple of years, all private cars will be banned from Gran Vía (the main artery that runs through the city) and I'll be able to skateboard down Gran Vía cool

Opinion towards diesels are changing, thank God. Although I don't think that Porsche's decision has anything to do with environmental concerns. Unlike Porsche, other manufacturers are still making too much money from them to follow suit.

ZX10R NIN

27,494 posts

124 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Audi/Porsche sales will hurt because of this I have clients that were looking to replace their SQ5's in for the new one but the petrol only new version has meant I'm now sourcing replacements from JLR/Mercedes & BMW as replacements.


DiscoColin

3,328 posts

213 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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ZX10R NIN said:
Audi/Porsche sales will hurt because of this I have clients that were looking to replace their SQ5's in for the new one but the petrol only new version has meant I'm now sourcing replacements from JLR/Mercedes & BMW as replacements.
But will they really? As things stand: Porsche salesmen are not having any trouble selling all of the cars that they can get from the factory. Essentially for any lost diesel sale they will gain back sales that they used to lose through delays and availability constraints, so there really oughtn't be any pain there at all. Seriously - do you really think that they make this kind of decision without being pretty confident that it isn't ultimately going to cost them? There is actually a case to consider that by deleting the low end models of a car where they can sell all that they build, the ultimate consequence is that they will likely end up making more higher margin cars and more profits.

ITP

1,996 posts

196 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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ZX10R NIN said:
Audi/Porsche sales will hurt because of this I have clients that were looking to replace their SQ5's in for the new one but the petrol only new version has meant I'm now sourcing replacements from JLR/Mercedes & BMW as replacements.
Maybe you could check with the clients how many miles per year they do and suggest they will be fine with a petrol version. Snap them out of the ‘diesel good, petrol bad’ mantra that has been around for years.
Looking at autotrader about 80% of all diesel macan’s appear to do less than 10k/year anyway.

ZX10R NIN

27,494 posts

124 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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ITP said:
Maybe you could check with the clients how many miles per year they do and suggest they will be fine with a petrol version. Snap them out of the ‘diesel good, petrol bad’ mantra that has been around for years.
Looking at autotrader about 80% of all diesel macan’s appear to do less than 10k/year anyway.
I actually promote buy the right car for their individual circumstances rather than any fuel being better than the other, maybe you should try to have the same attitude smile

Plug Life

978 posts

90 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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ZX10R NIN said:
I actually promote buy the right car for their individual circumstances rather than any fuel being better than the other, maybe you should try to have the same attitude smile
Soon you'll have an EV option too with the Mission E.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

253 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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The large diesel suvs are the perfect place for ev conversion. They are large so can hold a lot of batteries, electric motors are great torque, and they are usually expensive so the battery cost is easier to absorb before they come down in price.

Ev powered is better for off-road too

ZX10R NIN

27,494 posts

124 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Plug Life said:
Soon you'll have an EV option too with the Mission E.
There are already have EV/hybrid options I recommend, we'll see how the Mission E fares.

DonkeyApple

54,923 posts

168 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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RobDickinson said:
The large diesel suvs are the perfect place for ev conversion. They are large so can hold a lot of batteries, electric motors are great torque, and they are usually expensive so the battery cost is easier to absorb before they come down in price.

Ev powered is better for off-road too
And lots of fast charging points in the wilderness wink

But as you say, while batteries are heavy and expensive the premium SUV is the absolute winner. Especially as home charging will remain a key need.