RE: Cupra launches 300hp Ateca and first race car

[sideways man]

Cupra mii for me...

[Wills2]

IanCress said:

I always liked the Cupra variants as they went under the radar. No 'blingy' bits. Looks like that idea has gone out of the window now.

Whereas I've always viewed a Cupra as the next step up from a slammed and tuned Vauxhall Vectra diesel with a gutted DPF a bit of a chav chariot IMHO.

[aaron_2000]

I just don't care, it's a crossover with some stickers and a 300bhp 2.0 engine. As I've always thought, a crossover is an expensive hatchback with a smaller boot, worse ride, worse handling, worse performance and crap plastic around the lower end. They're pointless, it's even worse that every where I go, I see the Qashqai or however you spell it, the Kuga and the Ateca, I don;t know the names of the others because I just don't care. If you want a hatchback then buy one, if you want to sit high up then buy a 4x4 that doesn't just dress like it has ability. Then with this thing, buy a hot hatch if you want one, why buy a hot hatch that's worse in every way but more expensive? Miserable cars. Cupra Mii on the other hand...

[Thorburn]

john-zvsuu said:

Sorry I just don't get SEAT what is their function in the VW group!

They're the car you buy when you want something which rides worse than the Skoda, but costs less than the VW.

[Thorburn]

Dale487 said:

Its the point of the Cupra brand I'm not getting - GTI & R ain't a separate brands why does Cupra need to be?

Well because Seat sell such massive volumes, they need to separate out the Cupra to stop making the rest of the VAG companies looking bad in the reports.

[aaron_2000]

This was what they should've stuck with, subtle but just so right. They're what you buy when you're ready to replace your 113k Vectra VXR now. God that Ateca is woeful.

[cuprabob]

He said, she said, boss said, dog said, kids said, that it should have been an Arona with 300bhp

[nickfrog]

aaron_2000 said:

As I've always thought, a crossover is an expensive hatchback with a smaller boot, worse ride, worse handling, worse performance and crap plastic around the lower end. They're pointless, it's even worse that every where I go, I see the Qashqai or however you spell it, the Kuga and the Ateca, I don;t know the names of the others because I just don't care. If you want a hatchback then buy one, if you want to sit high up then buy a 4x4 that doesn't just dress like it has ability.

You don't care but they really upset you it would seem, what's up ?

They actually have the same boot size or bigger, better ride, higher profile tyres and are cheaper to lease or have slower depreciation than their equivalent estates, while having a smaller footprint. But sure they won't handle nor perform as well, not that it matters for the intended use. It would seem that this particular example would address that somehow, despite the higher COG.

aaron_2000 said:

This was what they should've stuck with, subtle but just so right. They're what you buy when you're ready to replace your 113k Vectra VXR now. God that Ateca is woeful.

That was a great car ! The current hatch is brilliant too. Plenty of choice out there for the open minded!

Edited by nickfrog on Friday 23 February 00:30

[DS240]

SEAT is just gaining ground in terms of reputation.

Cupra has grown as a sign of the performance model.

Combine the two and you have a credible model. Value with performance that everyone knows is underpinned by the larger VW family. All good.

Try to spin Cupra as some stand alone budget AMG and it simply doesn’t work.... even AMG/Merc are only just pushing this!

Stop it immediately. It surely just weakens SEAT as a brand doesn’t it.

Anyone who doesn’t care about cars won’t have a clue when you say you drive a Cupra Ateca! And anyone who does care won’t be really that impressed at this Cupra image.

+ badge is awful.

[DS240]

To add..

A Seat Ateca Cupra would go down quite well in the market... this rebadged Cupra Ateca just seems tacky now.

[aaron_2000]

nickfrog said:

aaron_2000 said:

As I've always thought, a crossover is an expensive hatchback with a smaller boot, worse ride, worse handling, worse performance and crap plastic around the lower end. They're pointless, it's even worse that every where I go, I see the Qashqai or however you spell it, the Kuga and the Ateca, I don;t know the names of the others because I just don't care. If you want a hatchback then buy one, if you want to sit high up then buy a 4x4 that doesn't just dress like it has ability.

You don't care but they really upset you it would seem, what's up ?

They actually have the same boot size or bigger, better ride, higher profile tyres and are cheaper to lease or have slower depreciation than their equivalent estates, while having a smaller footprint. But sure they won't handle nor perform as well, not that it matters for the intended use. It would seem that this particular example would address that somehow, despite the higher COG.

Edited by nickfrog on Friday 23 February 00:30

Would seem odd that the Kuga, the Nissan and the X3's that I've been in seem to ride worse than their car equivalents yet cost more, the X3 was the only one that seemed to have a bigger boot. They are the absolute definition of an appliance, no kid will ever aspire to own a Kadjar, whether it's in 5 years or 25. Cars like the Ford Cortina, Ford Sierra, Peugeot 405, Citroen BX and even the MK1 Mondeo are cars that get collected, I just don't see that being the case with a Qashqai, they're completely dull. As I said, why not buy a hatchback instead of a car that's no more capable but more expensive? If you want a 4x4 then why not buy one that's actually capable, has much more room inside and a better driving position? If you want cargo space then why not buy an estate? Why buy a car that tries to do it all and ends up doing none of it to a high standard?

[Pothole]

GTEYE said:

I might be wrong but I don't think Porsche would have quite the same image they have today if they had started with the Cayenne.

To be honest I don't get this, it's got no image, it looks tacky - the small SUV market would be better served by a (less powerful) Tiguan IMHO

And why on earth did they not launch the brand with the Leon Cupra R? Surely that would have been a bit more "Cupra"?

Edited by GTEYE on Thursday 22 February 15:21

Seat don't make the Tiguan, so what on earth do you mean?

[Pothole]

aaron_2000 said:

nickfrog said:

aaron_2000 said:

As I've always thought, a crossover is an expensive hatchback with a smaller boot, worse ride, worse handling, worse performance and crap plastic around the lower end. They're pointless, it's even worse that every where I go, I see the Qashqai or however you spell it, the Kuga and the Ateca, I don;t know the names of the others because I just don't care. If you want a hatchback then buy one, if you want to sit high up then buy a 4x4 that doesn't just dress like it has ability.

You don't care but they really upset you it would seem, what's up ?

They actually have the same boot size or bigger, better ride, higher profile tyres and are cheaper to lease or have slower depreciation than their equivalent estates, while having a smaller footprint. But sure they won't handle nor perform as well, not that it matters for the intended use. It would seem that this particular example would address that somehow, despite the higher COG.

Edited by nickfrog on Friday 23 February 00:30

Would seem odd that the Kuga, the Nissan and the X3's that I've been in seem to ride worse than their car equivalents yet cost more, the X3 was the only one that seemed to have a bigger boot. They are the absolute definition of an appliance, no kid will ever aspire to own a Kadjar, whether it's in 5 years or 25. Cars like the Ford Cortina, Ford Sierra, Peugeot 405, Citroen BX and even the MK1 Mondeo are cars that get collected, I just don't see that being the case with a Qashqai, they're completely dull. As I said, why not buy a hatchback instead of a car that's no more capable but more expensive? If you want a 4x4 then why not buy one that's actually capable, has much more room inside and a better driving position? If you want cargo space then why not buy an estate? Why buy a car that tries to do it all and ends up doing none of it to a high standard?

I bought an Ateca. It handles and rides great. I doubt you do see Atecas everywhere. I don't and I notice them because I've got one. What is the Seat "estate equivalent"? Are you both spouting a load of pony having never driven an Ateca? I think so.

[Peanus]

New sports brand releases an SUV as their first car.

Hahahahahahahaha

[JD]

I’m very confused.

There is a new brand called Cupra, who rebadge a Seat Ateca and call it the Cupra Ateca.

In the same article, they are talking about a Seat Leon Cupra, but that is badged as a Seat?!

I don’t get the move either, I so rarely see whatever the performance version of Seat is called this week. Normally a candidate for “car most likely to been seen speeding in a residential zone” when I do however.

[JackReacher]

I wanted to like this but the tacky add ons and new badge really let it down. The Leon Cupra ST is more subtle and much better looking as a result.

Maybe Skoda can do a Karoq version with a smarter exterior.

[AJB88]

JD said:

I’m very confused.

There is a new brand called Cupra, who rebadge a Seat Ateca and call it the Cupra Ateca.

In the same article, they are talking about a Seat Leon Cupra, but that is badged as a Seat?!

I don’t get the move either, I so rarely see whatever the performance version of Seat is called this week. Normally a candidate for “car most likely to been seen speeding in a residential zone” when I do however.

The Leon has been around since 2013 so they don't want to rebadge that now. Ateca, Arona and Ibiza are fairly new.

Leon is due a new model 2019/2020 so that's when the new Cupra Leon will appear.

I for one was hoping Cupra would be limited run special cars bit like Renault Sport R26 R etc, not mass sold lease models like they have become since making the MK3 Cupra.

The move in mind should return the FR to be the "warm" model for SEAT that they used to me rather than just another trim level

[nickfrog]

Pothole said:

I bought an Ateca. It handles and rides great. I doubt you do see Atecas everywhere. I don't and I notice them because I've got one. What is the Seat "estate equivalent"? Are you both spouting a load of pony having never driven an Ateca? I think so.

I can't remember spouting pony as I am a big fan of 2wd crossovers for family duties - I think the Ateca / Karoq is the best of the kind in terms of value. We have a Tiguan to be replaced by a Karoq in 2 weeks time, which is an Ateca (same production line, different badge). Ride superbly on 17" balloon tyres. For track days I have a hatch. Different duties / different compromise / different cars. Which Aaron doesn't want to understand.

[Gilhooligan]

housen said:

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U ok hun? Xx

[aaron_2000]

Pothole said:

aaron_2000 said:

nickfrog said:

aaron_2000 said:

As I've always thought, a crossover is an expensive hatchback with a smaller boot, worse ride, worse handling, worse performance and crap plastic around the lower end. They're pointless, it's even worse that every where I go, I see the Qashqai or however you spell it, the Kuga and the Ateca, I don;t know the names of the others because I just don't care. If you want a hatchback then buy one, if you want to sit high up then buy a 4x4 that doesn't just dress like it has ability.

You don't care but they really upset you it would seem, what's up ?

They actually have the same boot size or bigger, better ride, higher profile tyres and are cheaper to lease or have slower depreciation than their equivalent estates, while having a smaller footprint. But sure they won't handle nor perform as well, not that it matters for the intended use. It would seem that this particular example would address that somehow, despite the higher COG.

Edited by nickfrog on Friday 23 February 00:30

Would seem odd that the Kuga, the Nissan and the X3's that I've been in seem to ride worse than their car equivalents yet cost more, the X3 was the only one that seemed to have a bigger boot. They are the absolute definition of an appliance, no kid will ever aspire to own a Kadjar, whether it's in 5 years or 25. Cars like the Ford Cortina, Ford Sierra, Peugeot 405, Citroen BX and even the MK1 Mondeo are cars that get collected, I just don't see that being the case with a Qashqai, they're completely dull. As I said, why not buy a hatchback instead of a car that's no more capable but more expensive? If you want a 4x4 then why not buy one that's actually capable, has much more room inside and a better driving position? If you want cargo space then why not buy an estate? Why buy a car that tries to do it all and ends up doing none of it to a high standard?

I bought an Ateca. It handles and rides great. I doubt you do see Atecas everywhere. I don't and I notice them because I've got one. What is the Seat "estate equivalent"? Are you both spouting a load of pony having never driven an Ateca? I think so.

Seat Leon SW? I'm under 30, what on earth would I want to drive one for? Maybe I don;t see them everywhere, they all look the same to me.