Discussion
Integroo said:
egor110 said:
Depends, mines only just done 60k so still pretty tight.
Oil and filter is such a cheap job to do it's not worth factoring in.
Discs and pads cost what maybe £100 ?
Provided you do the work yourself, all of the above might cost £500? Then you have a well-sorted banger. Ofc, if you can't do the work yourself, it is more expensive. Oil and filter is such a cheap job to do it's not worth factoring in.
Discs and pads cost what maybe £100 ?
£500 for oil and filter plus pads and discs all round ?
Bilstein discs and pads are only £90 non branded are cheaper again .
Toaster Pilot said:
Bangernomics is buying a s
tter and spending the very bare minimum on it, binning it when it sts anything expensive
It’s the polar opposite of giving a st about motoring
Absolutely wrong. (IMO)tter and spending the very bare minimum on it, binning it when it sts anything expensiveIt’s the polar opposite of giving a s
t about motoring I've practiced bangernomics and have liked (even loved?) all of my cars...probaby more so as they are doing the same job as cars that costs x100 more. I love cars and very much class myself as a car enthusiast, despite having most old and very cheap cars.
I could say the same to you actually - you got a new base model Duster (which i think is great by the way) - you could be defined as not giving a s
t about cars, you've bought a basic new car that is just 'a car' (but we both know it's not true and a lot more than that!)You can't make a generalisation like that.
Edited by M1C on Tuesday 20th March 11:44
I have always owned old cars and have learnt to work on them myself - I enjoy this as much as I do driving them.
Bought a couple of new cars in my 30s, it wasn't for me - they were premium, or even super premium cars and like everyone who spends big, it was done to impress. I lost too much money and I couldn't play with them. I like my cars to be different to the usual, I don't want to drive what other people are driving and with new you can only do that by spending 300K plus - save for a few specialist marques.
The oldest car I own will be 60 this year and it's used every weekend in the Summer, less so in the winter. My newest car is 35 this year - it's my "daily driver" although living in a city centre I rarely need a car - I see it about twice a month.
I do everything myself to these cars. I've never met a garage who cares for my cars as I do and on more than a couple of occassions, they've damaged something or not done what they should've done. Most people who never wield a spanner will never know the st that garages are doing to their cars. I don't trust them.
I need to know how things work if I'm going to use them and taking my cars apart and rebuilding them is brilliant fun.
Isn't that what petrolheads do?
Bought a couple of new cars in my 30s, it wasn't for me - they were premium, or even super premium cars and like everyone who spends big, it was done to impress. I lost too much money and I couldn't play with them. I like my cars to be different to the usual, I don't want to drive what other people are driving and with new you can only do that by spending 300K plus - save for a few specialist marques.
The oldest car I own will be 60 this year and it's used every weekend in the Summer, less so in the winter. My newest car is 35 this year - it's my "daily driver" although living in a city centre I rarely need a car - I see it about twice a month.
I do everything myself to these cars. I've never met a garage who cares for my cars as I do and on more than a couple of occassions, they've damaged something or not done what they should've done. Most people who never wield a spanner will never know the s
t that garages are doing to their cars. I don't trust them.I need to know how things work if I'm going to use them and taking my cars apart and rebuilding them is brilliant fun.
Isn't that what petrolheads do?
CX53 said:
I quite like having older cars. So much so I’m looking at trying to terminate the current lease early or buying an accompanying banger because I’m doing more miles than anticipated and if I carry on I’ll be hit with a £600 bill for the extra.
£600 would buy a decent old banger! I certainly wouldn’t begrudge spending £500 or so making it right either. I think you just have to choose the right car to plough money in to...
Sort a few niggles on a non rusty and well maintained petrol focus or Corolla and you could probably get a few years out of it at least. Or if you do what I’ve done many times and buy something more complicated like a Saab 9-5 aero and it could eat in to your maintenance war chest and lots more with a single visit to the garage.
Quite tempted by a 106 1.5D next.
An early 9-5 would be perfect for you . You would be the happiest chappie on here although that would not be difficult reading some of the uptight replies to posts £600 would buy a decent old banger! I certainly wouldn’t begrudge spending £500 or so making it right either. I think you just have to choose the right car to plough money in to...
Sort a few niggles on a non rusty and well maintained petrol focus or Corolla and you could probably get a few years out of it at least. Or if you do what I’ve done many times and buy something more complicated like a Saab 9-5 aero and it could eat in to your maintenance war chest and lots more with a single visit to the garage.
Quite tempted by a 106 1.5D next.
M1C said:
Absolutely wrong. (IMO)
I've practiced bangernomics and have liked (even loved?) all of my cars...probaby more so as they are doing the same job as cars that costs x100 more. I love cars and very much class myself as a car enthusiast, despite having most old and very cheap cars.
I could say the same to you actually - you got a new base model Duster (which i think is great by the way) - you could be defined as not giving a st about cars, you've bought a basic new car that is just 'a car' (but we both know it's not true and a lot more than that!)
You can't make a generalisation like that.
TBH you’re not far off the mark - a couple of particularly bad breakdowns in old sI've practiced bangernomics and have liked (even loved?) all of my cars...probaby more so as they are doing the same job as cars that costs x100 more. I love cars and very much class myself as a car enthusiast, despite having most old and very cheap cars.
I could say the same to you actually - you got a new base model Duster (which i think is great by the way) - you could be defined as not giving a s
t about cars, you've bought a basic new car that is just 'a car' (but we both know it's not true and a lot more than that!)You can't make a generalisation like that.
Edited by M1C on Tuesday 20th March 11:44
tters drove me to it 
jeremyh1 said:
CX53 said:
I quite like having older cars. So much so I’m looking at trying to terminate the current lease early or buying an accompanying banger because I’m doing more miles than anticipated and if I carry on I’ll be hit with a £600 bill for the extra.
£600 would buy a decent old banger! I certainly wouldn’t begrudge spending £500 or so making it right either. I think you just have to choose the right car to plough money in to...
Sort a few niggles on a non rusty and well maintained petrol focus or Corolla and you could probably get a few years out of it at least. Or if you do what I’ve done many times and buy something more complicated like a Saab 9-5 aero and it could eat in to your maintenance war chest and lots more with a single visit to the garage.
Quite tempted by a 106 1.5D next.
An early 9-5 would be perfect for you . You would be the happiest chappie on here although that would not be difficult reading some of the uptight replies to posts £600 would buy a decent old banger! I certainly wouldn’t begrudge spending £500 or so making it right either. I think you just have to choose the right car to plough money in to...
Sort a few niggles on a non rusty and well maintained petrol focus or Corolla and you could probably get a few years out of it at least. Or if you do what I’ve done many times and buy something more complicated like a Saab 9-5 aero and it could eat in to your maintenance war chest and lots more with a single visit to the garage.
Quite tempted by a 106 1.5D next.
jeremyh1 said:
An early 9-5 would be perfect for you . You would be the happiest chappie on here although that would not be difficult reading some of the uptight replies to posts
Are the early ones better reliability wise? I had an 08, I loved it but the constant problems with various sensors etc sh*tting themselves among other issues ruined the experience a little. I’ve heard early ones need the PCV looking at which shouldn’t be too much of an issue, and of course the obligatory DI cassette in the boot for when it inevitably packs up. I had a 9000 aero until fairly recently and it was more reliable than all of the more modern Saab’s I’ve had put together, so if the early 9-5’s are more like the old 9000 then I’m in!!
CX53 said:
jeremyh1 said:
An early 9-5 would be perfect for you . You would be the happiest chappie on here although that would not be difficult reading some of the uptight replies to posts
Are the early ones better reliability wise? I had an 08, I loved it but the constant problems with various sensors etc sh*tting themselves among other issues ruined the experience a little. I’ve heard early ones need the PCV looking at which shouldn’t be too much of an issue, and of course the obligatory DI cassette in the boot for when it inevitably packs up. I had a 9000 aero until fairly recently and it was more reliable than all of the more modern Saab’s I’ve had put together, so if the early 9-5’s are more like the old 9000 then I’m in!!
Integroo said:
I suppose the question is buying a £500 Puma then spending a bit of time and money refreshing the suspension, new discs and pads, new tyres, changing the oil and filter, still bangernomics?
No, that’s shedding properly.Refreshing stuff that isn’t completely worn out is not bangernomics.
Bangernomics would be to run it as is until the clonking/rust got too unbearable, and/or the MoT ran out, and then scrap, rinse and repeat.
However, you can buy at ‘banger’ prices and then ‘shed maintain’ it. See the thread on RC on the 230 CLK.
See what I meant about grey areas...
Barchettaman said:
Integroo said:
I suppose the question is buying a £500 Puma then spending a bit of time and money refreshing the suspension, new discs and pads, new tyres, changing the oil and filter, still bangernomics?
No, that’s shedding properly.Refreshing stuff that isn’t completely worn out is not bangernomics.
Bangernomics would be to run it as is until the clonking/rust got too unbearable, and/or the MoT ran out, and then scrap, rinse and repeat.
However, you can buy at ‘banger’ prices and then ‘shed maintain’ it. See the thread on RC on the 230 CLK.
See what I meant about grey areas...
The only issue was it wasn't an enjoyable drive with ball joints hanging on by threads and shocks that were so bad that I could feel the speed bump a mile down the road.
Don't get me wrong I don't spend loads now but a bit of preventative maintenance helps, current daily is a £300 pd130 golf, polying the front lower arms and arb's and top mounts, and fluids change every 6 months(I don't pay for engine oil or antifreeze) just makes the drive enjoyable
sr.guiri said:
I have always owned old cars and have learnt to work on them myself - I enjoy this as much as I do driving them.
I do everything myself to these cars. I've never met a garage who cares for my cars as I do and on more than a couple of occassions, they've damaged something or not done what they should've done. Most people who never wield a spanner will never know the st that garages are doing to their cars. I don't trust them.
I need to know how things work if I'm going to use them and taking my cars apart and rebuilding them is brilliant fun.
Isn't that what petrolheads do?
I think petrolheads come in all shapes and sizes but I'm very much with your specific mentality. Can't quite match your ages but the 2 cars I love and want to keep hold of are both over 20 years old. I have the workshop manuals and will attempt all the work required on them. I like to fix (or think I can at least try) things on my cars and enjoy the time and effort involved. I do everything myself to these cars. I've never met a garage who cares for my cars as I do and on more than a couple of occassions, they've damaged something or not done what they should've done. Most people who never wield a spanner will never know the s
t that garages are doing to their cars. I don't trust them.I need to know how things work if I'm going to use them and taking my cars apart and rebuilding them is brilliant fun.
Isn't that what petrolheads do?
Hoofy said:
Being a petrolhead is about enjoying driving.
Indeed. It shouldn't matter what you drive so long as you're happy with it.The moment any car starts keeping you awake at night with worry about damage or depreciation or unexpected bills or what the neighbours think or the time or money you're spending on it stops you from doing things you'd rather do instead then its getting way too needy and its time to get rid.
Jaguar steve said:
Indeed. It shouldn't matter what you drive so long as you're happy with it.
The moment any car starts keeping you awake at night with worry about damage or depreciation or unexpected bills or what the neighbours think or the time or money you're spending on it stops you from doing things you'd rather do instead then its getting way too needy and its time to get rid.
Sums me up perfectly for the past few mths... paranoid the Q7 will throw its air suspension after its raised a couple of fault codes and errors that sent the whole suspension system into erratic chaos! The moment any car starts keeping you awake at night with worry about damage or depreciation or unexpected bills or what the neighbours think or the time or money you're spending on it stops you from doing things you'd rather do instead then its getting way too needy and its time to get rid.
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