RE: Abarth 124 GT unveiled

[Toltec]

Yipper said:

Slow + expensive.

Ahm oot.

What new, fast, cheap, RWD sports car would you recommend?

[nickfrog]

Yipper said:

Ahm oot.

You were never in.

[DC-1]

The Selfish Gene said:

DC-1 said:

I was due to collect my Abarth 124 today but the weather put a stop to that.

Not the best time to collect a RWD convertible!

A phase 1 remap can have these at 200bhp easily. Phase 2 around 230bhp.

now that is interesting........thank you.

Where would one get a Phase 2 remap, and how much would that be?

Look up Euro Compulsion. OBD remap. Phase 1 is around an extra 30hp. Phase 2 requires intercooler, catch can and intake.

[DC-1]

sandys said:

I don't know what the Phase 1 and Phase 2 are but really for 230 you need a bigger turbo than the stock one, I am assuming it is the same as my Abarth Punto, a GT1446, I tuned this up to 227bhp but the turbo gave up, shaft snapped under prolonged boost at the ring and I had to send my car home on a recovery truck without me

a smidge over 200bhp is pretty reasonable with the stock turbo on something this light, there's a Canadian guy doing a big turbo build on you tube, might be worth keeping an eye on

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCE1ZSfeQcZ5N_Q4Il...

You don't need a bigger turbo according to Euro Compulsion in the US who are a well known Abarth tuner.

Phase 2 requires a larger intercooler, uprated catch can and an upgraded intake. Gets around 230bhp up 60hp from stock.

http://www.124spider.org/forum/9-2017-fiat-124-spi...

Have a read.

[RSchneider]

As much as I like the Spider, and I'm not a horsepower fetishist, but that is a lost opportunity. They should have put the 250PS version of the 1.8T in there. Especially since they already have such a version developed for the rally circus.

[Tannedbaldhead]

I've been small roadster daft since my early 20s (how do you think my bald head got so tanned?).
I have owned a Reliant Scimitar SS1, a Panther Lima, Mk1 I, II and III versions of MX5 and an MGTF.
For me the sweet spot of the MX5/124 Spider range is the 124 Lusso, white with tobacco leather. 140bhp, punchy mid range, pretty (in my eyes anyway) and a nice burbley exhaust note.
A nice top down; quick without being ridiculously fast, sunny day entertainer is all most roadster drivers are looking for.
200-250bhp ultra focused Abarth road racer the forum is crying out for? Not the car for me. It would blow off my wig.

[Mound Dawg]

Tannedbaldhead said:

I've been small roadster daft since my early 20s (how do you think my bald head got so tanned?).
I have owned a Reliant Scimitar SS1, a Panther Lima, Mk1 I, II and III versions of MX5 and an MGTF.
For me the sweet spot of the MX5/124 Spider range is the 124 Lusso, white with tobacco leather. 140bhp, punchy mid range, pretty (in my eyes anyway) and a nice burbley exhaust note.
A nice top down; quick without being ridiculously fast, sunny day entertainer is all most roadster drivers are looking for.
200-250bhp ultra focused Abarth road racer the forum is crying out for? Not the car for me. It would blow off my wig.

Pretty much where I ended up except that white looks better in pictures than on the actual car and I wasn't sure about the tobacco leather either. The Mrs was sure though: "Uurrr. Dog do." Once she'd put that in my head there was no going back so I went with red with black leather. 31,000 miles in and it's everything you said it will be.

Like the way this version looks but don't really see the need for the hard top, can't see it being any more refined than the soft top and one of the great things about these cars is how easy it is to flip the roof up and down.

And no, this won't get "dicked" by a 120D. Except in the pub.

[ecsrobin]

The Selfish Gene said:

I think I want one.

I can't decide between the 595 Abarth Competizone or the 124 Spider thingy..................what's the most horse power edition of the 124? Presumably it's the same lump as the 1.4 in the 595? So it could be easily upped to 180?

My understanding is not easily at the moment:



Whereas the 595 comp with a remap gets 210bhp from AHM in Hampshire.

[sandys]

DC-1 said:

You don't need a bigger turbo according to Euro Compulsion in the US who are a well known Abarth tuner.

Phase 2 requires a larger intercooler, uprated catch can and an upgraded intake. Gets around 230bhp up 60hp from stock.

http://www.124spider.org/forum/9-2017-fiat-124-spi...

I've looked at Eurocompulsions offerings for 124, they claim +57 from their lite box, it is just a tuning box much like I've ran on mine, they are doing nothing special here and so are not getting special results. Reading the forums posts Eurocompulsion recommend a bigger turbo (gt1752 or rebuilt 1446 with new internals) for over 220.

These tuning boxes work well, fuelling is bang on, just don't get too greedy turning up the wick if you want to use it hard with the stock turbo would be my recommendation.

Edited by sandys on Sunday 4th March 13:30

[BVB]

Very nice looking car just got better with this roof.

[The Selfish Gene]

ecsrobin said:

My understanding is not easily at the moment:


Whereas the 595 comp with a remap gets 210bhp from AHM in Hampshire.

thanks - really interesting - I'm watching with interest.

I am like some of the other posters on here - not hugely caring about high BHP - but it would be nice to get as much as is sensible.

I've spent a lot of time owning Caterhams........and as fabulous as they are, I want (much) more refinement from a road car now i'm a bit older.

I love the idea of the Abarth spider.......granted the Boxster etc is probably faster etc, but I have a car like that.

An open top, stylish modern roadster is hard to find..............