RE: New Alfa Romeo 'Nurburgring' special editions

RE: New Alfa Romeo 'Nurburgring' special editions

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Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Vitorio said:
Iceicebsby1980 said:
Why not do a light weight limited edition . Similar to the e46 m3 csl .
Or a proper Giulia GTA, as in Allegrita.

Kind of annoying that Alfa has also jumped on the Nurburgring bandwagen, in keeping with their Milanese heritage they should've called it "Edizione Monza" or something, and put some flair into it, rather then a matte gray paintjob... This isnt an Audi RS6 after all
Yeah, it's not as if it holds a Nurburgring record or anything......

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Ruskins said:
culpz said:
I know i shouldn't, but do they really have a long way to go? Isn't the Giulia Quadrifoglio in many ways better than the F80 M3, which is one of the near-premium German competitors which you speak of?
Giula Quadrifoglio is appreciably better than an F80 M3, a little bit better than an F80 M3 Competition Pack, an F80 M3 CS is probably faster but is £30,000 more.

What Alfa dont currently have which their large German rivals do is the ability to churn out improved/upgraded models every 6 months.
....or the need to keep churning out revised versions? wink

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Ruskins said:
RB Will said:
Top gear mag have a long term test one that seems to break every month.
So this is a point I will try to address over and over again. There have been problems on a lot of the press cars - I dont exactly know why, perhaps they were early production.

Myself and many other owners have not had a single problem in over a year of owning the cars. Nothing. Nada.

Why Alfa UK havent given TG a new car i dont know, they are just shooting themselves in the feet.

Autocar dont seem to have had the same trouble - https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/alfa-romeo/gi...

Nor CAR - https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/long-ter...
Or Evo....or any actual real owners.

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Brooking10 said:
On topic - no this is not for me. I’m with Ruskins it’s a bit too “dealer special edition”
If it was just a bit of Carbon tat, then yes, a bit 'dealer special edition', but as this comes with all the key performance kit included, and a ltd edition paint job, I don't see how this can be deemed 'dealer special edition'?

That's exactly what BMW have done with the M3 30 Jahre and Merc did with the C63 Edition One?

How is this any different?

Iceicebsby1980

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101 posts

97 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Ares said:
Iceicebsby1980 said:
Ares said:
Gameface said:
Iceicebsby1980 said:
So basically for extra £ you get a limited edition colour and a plaque.
You didn't see the bit about the expensive carbon ceramic brakes? Or the expensive carbon shell sparco race seats? Or the carbon trim?
Shhh.... Don't let facts get in the way of a good bh wink
ceramic brakes prob a option on the car anyway like they are on m3 m4 . So for a premium you get a different coulour plaque some seats carbon trim . Wow dsnt do much for the performance or handling over the normal car . But a knuckle dragger like you prob things it's a good deal .
No, they are an option on the standard car, but standard on the N'ring edition. It even says so in the article....

So....who is the Knuckle dragger now? Maybe check basic facts (and adopt 4yr old reading skills) before calling people names. eh?

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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ash73 said:
Performance junkies can moan but if you like the aesthetics it's handy buying something off the shelf and not having to declare any insurance mods.
There’s nothing on that carc ou would need to declare to your insurer. Everything bR the paint, exposed carbon roof and plaque is straight from either the factory or dealer options list.

The most alluring bit for me is the exposed carbon roof which I think should have been an option from the start on the standard model. There is nothing though about it which really makes me want it any more than the already excellent base car.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 3rd March 14:24

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Ares said:
Ruskins said:
RB Will said:
Top gear mag have a long term test one that seems to break every month.
So this is a point I will try to address over and over again. There have been problems on a lot of the press cars - I dont exactly know why, perhaps they were early production.

Myself and many other owners have not had a single problem in over a year of owning the cars. Nothing. Nada.

Why Alfa UK havent given TG a new car i dont know, they are just shooting themselves in the feet.

Autocar dont seem to have had the same trouble - https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/alfa-romeo/gi...

Nor CAR - https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/long-ter...
Or Evo....or any actual real owners.
That isn’t strictly true but best we leave that in the past and within the confines of the owners’ forum.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Ares said:
If it was just a bit of Carbon tat, then yes, a bit 'dealer special edition', but as this comes with all the key performance kit included, and a ltd edition paint job, I don't see how this can be deemed 'dealer special edition'?

That's exactly what BMW have done with the M3 30 Jahre and Merc did with the C63 Edition One?

How is this any different?
It isn’t

There’s nothing about those cars which would compel me to choose them over their base variants.

The base Quad is an exceptional car. There’s nothing about this car which materially improves on that already very high standard from a driving perspective particularly as I believe the ceramics remain a paid option.



anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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ash73 said:
Brooking10 said:
ash73 said:
Performance junkies can moan but if you like the aesthetics it's handy buying something off the shelf and not having to declare any insurance mods.
There’s nothing on that carc ou would need to declare to your insurer. Everything bR the paint, exposed carbon roof and plaque is straight from either the factory or dealer options list.
...So if you want matt paint and a carbon roof without having to wrap the car and declare mods this edition is the way to go. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about that.
Absolutely nothing hard to understand about that.

I’m not saying anything negative about the car just that it doesn’t move the dial other than from a fairly narrow aesthetic perspective . I’m not sure why this is causing you to sound so uppity.

Of the 108 cars produced In RHD how many if any will come RHD to the U.K.


Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Brooking10 said:
Ares said:
If it was just a bit of Carbon tat, then yes, a bit 'dealer special edition', but as this comes with all the key performance kit included, and a ltd edition paint job, I don't see how this can be deemed 'dealer special edition'?

That's exactly what BMW have done with the M3 30 Jahre and Merc did with the C63 Edition One?

How is this any different?
It isn’t

There’s nothing about those cars which would compel me to choose them over their base variants.

The base Quad is an exceptional car. There’s nothing about this car which materially improves on that already very high standard from a driving perspective particularly as I believe the ceramics remain a paid option.
So the base versions are there for you.

But this versions DOES improve on the base version as it has Carbon Ceramic brakes. You may not want them, as I didn't, but it still improves on the drive.


And as repeated several times, the N'ring has the ceramics as standard...It say so in this actual article, as well as all the others:

PH Article says: said:
Over the standard Quadrifoglios, both versions come with the optional ceramic brakes, the upgraded Sparco seats and a few carbon trinkets outside.
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Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Iceicebsby1980 said:
Ares said:
Iceicebsby1980 said:
Ares said:
Gameface said:
Iceicebsby1980 said:
So basically for extra £ you get a limited edition colour and a plaque.
You didn't see the bit about the expensive carbon ceramic brakes? Or the expensive carbon shell sparco race seats? Or the carbon trim?
Shhh.... Don't let facts get in the way of a good bh wink
ceramic brakes prob a option on the car anyway like they are on m3 m4 . So for a premium you get a different coulour plaque some seats carbon trim . Wow dsnt do much for the performance or handling over the normal car . But a knuckle dragger like you prob things it's a good deal .
No, they are an option on the standard car, but standard on the N'ring edition. It even says so in the article....

So....who is the Knuckle dragger now? Maybe check basic facts (and adopt 4yr old reading skills) before calling people names. eh?
The defence* of the ignorant.

(*or lack of laugh )

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Brooking10 said:
ash73 said:
Brooking10 said:
ash73 said:
Performance junkies can moan but if you like the aesthetics it's handy buying something off the shelf and not having to declare any insurance mods.
There’s nothing on that carc ou would need to declare to your insurer. Everything bR the paint, exposed carbon roof and plaque is straight from either the factory or dealer options list.
...So if you want matt paint and a carbon roof without having to wrap the car and declare mods this edition is the way to go. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about that.
Absolutely nothing hard to understand about that.

I’m not saying anything negative about the car just that it doesn’t move the dial other than from a fairly narrow aesthetic perspective . I’m not sure why this is causing you to sound so uppity.

Of the 108 cars produced In RHD how many if any will come RHD to the U.K.
...except it isn't just an aesthetic perspective, narrow or otherwise?

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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esit - duplicate post and messed up quoting !!

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 3rd March 17:59

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Brooking10 said:
Ares said:
So the base versions are there for you.

But this versions DOES improve on the base version as it has Carbon Ceramic brakes. You may not want them, as I didn't, but it still improves on the drive.


And as repeated several times, the N'ring has the ceramics as standard...It say so in this actual article, as well as all the others:

PH Article says: said:
Over the standard Quadrifoglios, both versions come with the optional ceramic brakes, the upgraded Sparco seats and a few carbon trinkets outside.
/[quote]
I stand corrected, apologies I misread that.

That still makes it a car that could currently be built bar the aesthetics of the paint and exposed carbon roof.

I maintain that this edition doesn't move the dial in terms of driving dynamics as it has nothing of dynamic difference that couldn't already be specced. Others seem to agree with me so I don't why a couple of you seem to be quite so animated about that being pointed out.

For the record I've had a Quad, I enjoyed much about it and I'm a big fan. None of this is a criticism of the car and its incredible, class leading, standard underpinnings.

I'm very hopeful Alfa will release a GTA or similar with yet more mechanical magic (a bit more power, a switchable exhaust possibly, a bit lighter and perhaps a touch more extreme) and if and when they do I'll be near the front of the queue just like I was when the current car came out.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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ash73 said:
So what? It doesn't need it. It's got bespoke paint, carbon roof, another £12-15K options, and it's a limited edition standard factory spec; I expect they'll find 108 people with deep pockets who like the aesthetics.
I have little doubt that you are right.

Again have no idea why you are taking such a prickly stance on this.

Will you be one of them ?


theplayingmantis

3,721 posts

81 months

Sunday 4th March 2018
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ash73 said:
Brooking10 said:
ash73 said:
Performance junkies can moan but if you like the aesthetics it's handy buying something off the shelf and not having to declare any insurance mods.
There’s nothing on that carc ou would need to declare to your insurer. Everything bR the paint, exposed carbon roof and plaque is straight from either the factory or dealer options list.
...So if you want matt paint and a carbon roof without having to wrap the car and declare mods this edition is the way to go. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about that.
are wraps and aftermarket paint declarable mods???

theplayingmantis

3,721 posts

81 months

Sunday 4th March 2018
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i will repeat this again; The N ring editions to me smacks of doing something for somethings sake though. Alfa had nothing much to show at Geneva which would be a bit of a PR disaster imo so cobbled together this to make it look like they had something new to show.

a bit of a let down for me and they should have come up with something actually different, maybe more power or at least a radical bodykit or something to keep them relevant and getting attention amongst the host of new stuff at Geneva. Yes that would also be a cynical move, but it would have at least looked like they were doing something a bit more than just a limited color which is what this is...

yes it will sell sure, but for anyone to deny its just a bandwagon jump not to have nothing to show at geneva (likewise the 4c non updates) is deluded.

semantics, based on the name of it, you would think its a track day special with a bit more than just stuff you can spec already to make it so in its normal guise (bar the aesthetics of course). As ecain has said in the past one day there may well be an actual track day special, 'corsa' version.

this ain't it and is cynical marketing at its best. i say bravo AR, nothing wrong with that at all. if gets more attention and boosts sales AR have done their job.

soad

32,829 posts

175 months

Wednesday 7th March 2018
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treeroy said:
probably would be cheaper to just get your car resprayed
Looks better in red rosso.

Macboy

732 posts

204 months

Monday 18th June 2018
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Special Editions always say bosses have decided to spend on sales incentives and not actual marketing. A few quid to product engineering to get a parts-bin/option pack that adds something salesmen can talk about. It seems awfully early in the life of the Stelvio to have to prop-up showroom interest in this way.

corcoran

533 posts

273 months

Monday 18th June 2018
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generationx said:
I have one of the first in the UK (Feb '17) from new and after 12,500 wonderful miles there have been no issues. Unreliable my arse.
Very jealous. Beautiful car.