RE: Jaguar's 400hp electric SUV unveiled

[NJJ]

Looks good but I would prefer to wait for the forthcoming XJ EV. Not everyone wants to sit up on high in a SUV, give me a sleek hunkered down motorway missile any day.

The configurator is live by the way, which is not as fun as it should be as there needs to be more choices of paints, interiors and personalisation options on offer. They also need to be distinct from Land Rover as this is a Jaguar after all!

Regardless I am sure it will sell like cakes fresh from the oven.

[DonkeyApple]

HorneyMX5 said:

It’s quite a looker and seems on the money in terms of range etc. The first proper Tesla rival?

It’s the start of an onslaught of premium pure EVs from the mainstream firms and we’ll see in a few years time whether there really is a solid demand for EVs at this level or whether people just wanted a Tesla product because it had a Tesla badge.

Personally I don’t see this car as a rival to Tesla. It’s a league above. And for me it’s the first EV that fits my requirements. Really looking forward to this car.

[Hugh Jarse]

A new car worth buying, nice looking, cant afford it.

[Plug Life]

David87 said:

I just mean that Tesla already has a big presence at many motorway service stations. Where will all the other manufacturers put their own particular brand of charging station?

As Tesla has about 6–7 stations along a main route like London–Liverpool/Machester, I think there are a lot of places to set up ultra rapid charging stations by other networks

[RobDickinson]

If your interested in public charges https://www.plugshare.com/ is worth a look theres plenty around.

[Bryans69]

Its interesting, but range / charging still an issue if its the main car. Last Saturday, did (admittedly unusual) round trip to London to Skegness and back, 170 mile each way. Until you get to a point where you can charge where you park, rather than having to find a hopefully empty charging point, it doesn't work.

I know that 99% of our journeys are less than that, and I could hire an ICE car for those that are, but if I'm spending £60k plus on a car I don't want the hassle. Give me 400 miles and easy charging anywhere and I'm in.

I also can't see the 45 minutes at service stations working until you roll them out hundreds, rather than dozens, of spaces. Chicken and egg I know.

[DonkeyApple]

Tuna said:

Mildly amusing that some Tesla enthusiasts were asserting that the mainstream manufacturers would take years to catch up with this new fangled electric technology.

Seems like a thoroughly credible offering.

Indeed. The reality is that they haven’t been behind at all but just waiting for there to be a market and the demand as they run different business models to Silicon Valley start-ups.

It would be folly to ever think that the likes of major manufacturers would have the slightest issue in designing a floor plan and fitting electric motors and batteries in it and then trimming it out and fitting all the electric toys.

The new areas will be in the autonomous driving but the majors have all been working on this stuff as well.

[danp]

I’m not an SUV fan but do like this, and a bargain at around 10% more than the top of the the range F-pace (once the gov grant is taken off).

With fairly limited supply I suspect they’ll be selling for over list for quite a while.

[Yipper]

Sounds good.

Spending £65k on a car without a proper charging network that takes 1-10 hours to "fill up" and runs out of juice after 100-150 miles if you rag it.

Where do I wire the monies.

[DonkeyApple]

David87 said:

I just mean that Tesla already has a big presence at many motorway service stations. Where will all the other manufacturers put their own particular brand of charging station?

No one else is going to be following the ‘whites only’ segregation model. Going forward companies such as Ecotricity will be securing the sites and setting up the charges for all the manufacturers. They will have the full backing of the majors and also their business partners. And they will have to build supply to cater for all the premium marques’ cars.

It’s actually going to be the Tesla system that moves onto the back foot as it begins to get priced out in the real estate battle that is likely to appear over the next few years.

And if you look at what’s been happening in the last couple of years they’ve already come under big pressure in the U.K. and are involved in more than one spat trying to keep their deals.

[Phunk]

Bryans69 said:

Its interesting, but range / charging still an issue if its the main car. Last Saturday, did (admittedly unusual) round trip to London to Skegness and back, 170 mile each way. Until you get to a point where you can charge where you park, rather than having to find a hopefully empty charging point, it doesn't work.

I know that 99% of our journeys are less than that, and I could hire an ICE car for those that are, but if I'm spending £60k plus on a car I don't want the hassle. Give me 400 miles and easy charging anywhere and I'm in.

I also can't see the 45 minutes at service stations working until you roll them out hundreds, rather than dozens, of spaces. Chicken and egg I know.

There's a couple of chargers in Skegness plus Rapid chargers between London and Skegness. Plus - as you mention, it's an unusual trip.

The advantage of electric is that you never have to visit a petrol station which takes on average 10-20 minutes a week, instead your car has a full 'tank' every morning. Once you balance it out, you'll soon realise that you'll spend less time 'fueling' your car compared to a ICE.

Unless you can't charge at home - then you're buggered

[hyphen]

David87 said:

I just mean that Tesla already has a big presence at many motorway service stations. Where will all the other manufacturers put their own particular brand of charging station?

It won't be per manufacturer nor brand, would make no sense. Shell were the latest member to join Ionity for example, so you can probably expect one eventually at all Shell stations. Surprised JLR haven't joined in yet.

Edited by hyphen on Thursday 1st March 21:47

[l354uge]

Bryans69 said:

Its interesting, but range / charging still an issue if its the main car. Last Saturday, did (admittedly unusual) round trip to London to Skegness and back, 170 mile each way. Until you get to a point where you can charge where you park, rather than having to find a hopefully empty charging point, it doesn't work.

I know that 99% of our journeys are less than that, and I could hire an ICE car for those that are, but if I'm spending £60k plus on a car I don't want the hassle. Give me 400 miles and easy charging anywhere and I'm in.

I also can't see the 45 minutes at service stations working until you roll them out hundreds, rather than dozens, of spaces. Chicken and egg I know.

An interesting concept would to let I pace drivers rent a ice (probably hybrid) jlr product a certain amount of times in a year.
Kills off the range anxiety issues, gets more people in the cars, more presence on the roads..

Edited by l354uge on Thursday 1st March 21:54

[l354uge]

Another thing; will all these posh electric cars give us luxury service stations? (maybe a first class lounge, cinema, the works).

You've got punters with money who are stuck somewhere for 3-6 hours, they're going to get bored of Costa and waitrose soon enough.

I'm going to get odeon and welcome break together for a meeting. I'm not greedy so I'll only take 50% of profits...

[kambites]

l354uge said:

An interesting concept would to let I pace drivers rent a ice (preflight hybrid) jlr product a certain amount of times in a year.

Nissan (I think it was Nissan?) did this with the Leaf. Basically, if you bought a Leaf you got a certain number of days per year where you could drop your car off at a dealer and drive off in an ICE powered car for free.

[RobDickinson]

Who is going to be stuck anywhere 3 hours?

[l354uge]

kambites said:

Nissan (I think it was Nissan?) did this with the Leaf. Basically, if you bought a Leaf you got a certain number of days per year where you could drop your car off at a dealer and drive off in an ICE powered car for free.

Ah, crafty Nissan.
Think getting an xj or RR for the weekend might be more appealing than a quashqai, mind.

[DonkeyApple]

Bryans69 said:

Its interesting, but range / charging still an issue if its the main car. Last Saturday, did (admittedly unusual) round trip to London to Skegness and back, 170 mile each way. Until you get to a point where you can charge where you park, rather than having to find a hopefully empty charging point, it doesn't work.

I know that 99% of our journeys are less than that, and I could hire an ICE car for those that are, but if I'm spending £60k plus on a car I don't want the hassle. Give me 400 miles and easy charging anywhere and I'm in.

I also can't see the 45 minutes at service stations working until you roll them out hundreds, rather than dozens, of spaces. Chicken and egg I know.

I agree. But with a range of 250 miles we have reached the point that a large number of households can fit one into the fleet without inconvenience and from this point it will grow as battery tech increases and battery prices fall.

I couldn’t run one as my only car for the exact reasons you lay out. For the few times I travel higher mileage I am simply not interested in sitting at a motorway services for an hour. Miserable places and I’m not going to pay big money to bring them into my life.

But as a family car that my wife uses during the week for the school run, shopping and local pottering which can then be used by me to drive into London with the family at weekends and back without needing to stop this car fits the bill almost perfectly. And we have other cars for other types of journey.

I’m going to try one of these Jags. I’ve been looking forward to it for the last year or so as a genuinely interesting car.

My only concern is that the range still doesn’t feel good enough as I don’t want to spend my journey into London driving like a hypermiler. I don’t want to compromise in any way and the car has to make my life easier and not add any inconveniences or negative changes. But it seems tantalisingly close.

[l354uge]

RobDickinson said:

Who is going to be stuck anywhere 3 hours?

People charging their electric cars, for the near future really fast charging is going to be rare.

[RobDickinson]

City driving in an ev is very cruisy and efficient no need to hypermile