RE: Bentley goes electric with hybrid Bentayga
Discussion
borat52 said:
It’s not that simple though. The average U.K. commute to work is about 20 miles round trip, so if you used this car to commute then it would cover the average distance in EV mode on a nightly charge.
It may indeed spend 90% of its mileage in EV mode.
IMHO plug in hybrids of 30 mile range are what we’ll be seeing in mainstream vehicles in the medium term not pure EV’s.
They cover all bases, no range anxiety and keeping a small battery means the costs can be kept reasonable and as you have a dual power train the EV components can be kept simple and still retain a good absolute power output.
Having spent some time in an outlander PHEV i have to say I’m very impressed with the concept as a method or reducing city pollution and retaining an unlimited range.
I can see hybrids for something big and heavy or something that the owner would expect a lot of power. The Bentayga is both of those. Something like a middling Focus that is considerably lighter and cheaper I'd expect to see range extenders rather than hybrids as they are going to be cheaper and more efficient for a smaller car as the ICE working as the extender can be smaller capacity, will rev at a constant output (so optimised RPM for efficiency)and doesn't have to connect the ICE to the drive train, only the electric motor.It may indeed spend 90% of its mileage in EV mode.
IMHO plug in hybrids of 30 mile range are what we’ll be seeing in mainstream vehicles in the medium term not pure EV’s.
They cover all bases, no range anxiety and keeping a small battery means the costs can be kept reasonable and as you have a dual power train the EV components can be kept simple and still retain a good absolute power output.
Having spent some time in an outlander PHEV i have to say I’m very impressed with the concept as a method or reducing city pollution and retaining an unlimited range.
For the majority of cars sold, the bottom to mid range Fiestas, Focuses, Corsas, Qashqais of this world (jn other words 9 out of the top 10 selling cars in the UK, getting on for 1/3rd of all new cars sold in UK), the majority of their owners do not need high performance or a massive range. A pure EV will be ample for them once they can achieve a 200+ mile range and the price is close enough to the boggo diesels/petrols that they buy now. The 200 mile round trip that they make to Grandma a handful of times a year just needs planning. The fact that people still manage to run out of petrol or diesel, a quick google turned up had it at 800,000 per year according to LV, suggests that lack of planning is a common problem even for ICE.
For the edge cases who genuinely do a regular zillonanty miles or some other abnormal use case there will be plenty of efficient petrol and diesel cars with near 1000 mile range or even hybrids.
What cynical toss this is... I hate hybrids like this. Is the answer to any problems carting around a load of heavy batteries, motors for almost no benefit then charging for 7.5 hours to fill that bit up.
Just like the hybrid Range Rover, it helps mitigate the legislation to the actual detriment of what the legislation is trying to achieve until the next set of rules makes them all change again.
... and it’s hideous.
Just like the hybrid Range Rover, it helps mitigate the legislation to the actual detriment of what the legislation is trying to achieve until the next set of rules makes them all change again.
... and it’s hideous.
whp1983 said:
Gixer_fan said:
75g CO2 per Km ? Goodness, that's half the value of my Nissan Micra 1.0 !
Yes, you’re a disgrace to the environment in your micra... if only it had a 3l v6. Got to love tests and legislation! whp1983 said:
What cynical toss this is... I hate hybrids like this. Is the answer to any problems carting around a load of heavy batteries, motors for almost no benefit then charging for 7.5 hours to fill that bit up.
Just like the hybrid Range Rover, it helps mitigate the legislation to the actual detriment of what the legislation is trying to achieve until the next set of rules makes them all change again.
... and it’s hideous.
It's certainly hideous. Just like the hybrid Range Rover, it helps mitigate the legislation to the actual detriment of what the legislation is trying to achieve until the next set of rules makes them all change again.
... and it’s hideous.
As for charge times. My phev takes 6 hours overnight to charge, that range does my commute. I don't care that it takes 6 hours so long as it's done when get in it in the morning.
I could fit faster charging at home but I don't need to.
1800kms on my current tank and a quarter left. I've not filled up since January 15th. I'll probably have to by April..
rxe said:
dino_jr said:
Maybe the car makers should be banned from calling a car hybrid unless the non-ICE system does at least 50% of the miles.
When its actually 5% hybrid like this thing, its clearly marketing noise.
30 miles on a charge is pretty handy. Say I'm driving into London, I can drive on petrol on the motorway, and then switch to electric as I cross the M25. In and out of London on electric. Many local journeys on electric. You've got the best of all worlds, arbitrary range and an electric car for urban driving.When its actually 5% hybrid like this thing, its clearly marketing noise.
Limpet said:
I've just seen my first Bentayga in the wild, cruising along the M3 earlier.
I'm sure it's massively accomplished, exquisitely finished, and as refined as they come, but it smacks of a bloated London Taxi on stilts.
Am I missing something (apart from the £135k needed to buy one)?
You've only just seen your first? And think it looks like a London Taxi...??I'm sure it's massively accomplished, exquisitely finished, and as refined as they come, but it smacks of a bloated London Taxi on stilts.
Am I missing something (apart from the £135k needed to buy one)?
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